MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[kabomb]

Isn't it more about mA, not mAh in regards to vapor production and throat hit? I've been using a 901 PT with a Kensington for months and couldn't be happier. I don't see the need to spend over $100 when a $35 Kensington is just as well or better. It really is that simple for me. Am I missing something? Kensington is 1500mA/1800mAh. I can go 2 days with it and it has a 2 year warranty.

 

[kinabaloo]

The way I look at it, all of it comes down to what works for the consumer.

For me, I spent a lot (A LOT) of money trying different models of e-cigs. I have various 801's, 901's, 401's, 402's, and 510's. I have a DSE601 pipe. All of these, regardless of the brand or the supplier I purchased from, can be traced back to a select few manufacturers in China. And all of them have their problems.

So, we're talking specifically about batteries and the cases that house them. Each one of the 'mods' that are mentioned in the original post address one thing in common: the poor quality of the Chinese manufactured e-cig batteries. And it is a real, hard fact that these devices provide a more consistent vaping experience than the Chinese counterparts.

But each one adds a little more to the equation than simply changing the housing. Adding a manual button to better control the experience, extending the battery capacity to extend battery life between charges and provide more consistent voltage to the atomizer, upping the voltage to the atomizer to increase vapor production, making the device modular to accommodate different atomizers, closing the battery system to handle juice leaks so they don't ruin your batteries, etc...

So, in reality, none of these devices are simple battery boxes. They all add more to the total experience than just a different way to hold batteries and apply voltage to an atomizer. So, I believe the OP's original opinion holds no water. It doesn't matter what the consumer's feeling is about the device, facts are that they do more than just change how the batteries attach to the atomizer, they are more resilient than the Chinese made batteries, and are well worth the money that is being charged for them.

Of course, this is just my opinion, and I'll probably be proven wrong somehow in short time.

Ivisi

The original batteries are small in power because they are small - designed for a 7mm diameter tube and include automatic switching.

This is nothing about Chinese made or not. Two different things.

So I find your remarks distasteful.

 

[warp1900]

Isn't it more about mA, not mAh in regards to vapor production and throat hit? I've been using a 901 PT with a Kensington for months and couldn't be happier. I don't see the need to spend over $100 when a $35 Kensington is just as well or better. It really is that simple for me. Am I missing something? Kensington is 1500mA/1800mAh. I can go 2 days with it and it has a 2 year warranty.

You are not missing anything, we all have different preferences when it comes to what we prefer to use and what we spend to do it.
Just like analog cigarettes or most anything else, there is not only one that works better than the others.
Some have a hard time getting to find their own "sweet spot" , others do it right away.

 

[warp1900]

Sorry everyone i just noticed the table was not showing all this time.

I had so many messages to reply to that i completely lost track of that detail. This is craaaazy

 

[a2dcovert]

Wow! All these threads in one day! What a marathon of replys. All these alternative systems either home brew or commercial are simply alternative power sources. You can't really compare power sources apples to apples unless the ma and mah ratings are known. I think all of our innovation efforts are helping the industry for future product development. There will always be consumers capable of developing their own version while at the same time there are consumers who want to purchase a reliable prebuilt device. I think if our industry is allowed to continue to do business there will be plenty of new products and opportunity to develop.

Necessity has always been the mother of invention. I think we can and hopefully be allowed to improve on what the Chineese have begun. Of course there will have to be the motive of profit to really drive the industry. I am all for it.

Kevin

 

[warp1900]

Wow! All these threads in one day! What a marathon of replys. All these alternative systems either home brew or commercial are simply alternative power sources. You can't really compare power sources apples to apples unless the ma and mah ratings are known. I think all of our innovation efforts are helping the industry for future product development. There will always be consumers capable of developing their own version while at the same time there are consumers who want to purchase a reliable prebuilt device. I think if our industry is allowed to continue to do business there will be plenty of new products and opportunity to develop.

Necessity has always been the mother of invention. I think we can and hopefully be allowed to improve on what the Chineese have begun. Of course there will have to be the motive of profit to really drive the industry. I am all for it.

Kevin

Tell me about it!

Great post Kevin, thank you.

 

[warp1900]

I'm only on page 10 of this diatribe yet this one got me, the makers are simply defending themselves... I believe your posts on YouTube created the negativity... I have never bought any of these mods but to attack someone who "feels" they got a better hit or "feels" they got more vapor is ignorance at it's best... If I "feel" one product is better than another because I "feel" that it's working for me than it's true to me and I'm just expressing that.

By your reasoning K & N who make air filters ( K&N High Performance Air Filters, Oil Filters, & Air Intakes - Official K&N Engineering Site ) aren't making their own product because they don't make cars.

Disclaimer:
1: I am not in any way associated with K & N
2: I'm not a fanboy of anything except vaping and beer
3: I read the OP as an attack myself.

You are entitled to "feel" whatever you want about any mod and even go with your friends and talk about it as much as you want, as long as you don't go public and make false claims about it.

Did you read this thread at all abudman? (and i mean the first 3 post which are really what the thread is about)

What are "makers" defending themselves from?
Please point to me what scared them so much.

Some people here really need to learn how to read, because they have some kind of "selective reading syndrome", you just see what you want to see and miss most of the content of the text.

I am sorry you feel attacked for some reason, i don't even know you, it is the first time we ever exchange words. Trust me, i didn't attack you in any way.

 

[tessagreenuk]

I love my screwdriver :d
its the best ever e-cig out there
it simply works and works well
where as others just don't bite the bullet

 

[guting]

I love my AA box,
its the best thing ever
it simply works and works well
for $20

 

[Zofryer]

I love my ErgoLump mod a lot just for the juice capacity. I've got nothing else that can make it through a movie without needing refilled (yet).

 

[surbitonPete]

My only view is that 'all' the Mods are way overpriced. If the Chinese stopped trying so hard to imitate a cigarette they could make them for just a few pounds or dollars.

 

[trog100]

My only view is that 'all' the Mods are way overpriced. If the Chinese stopped trying so hard to imitate a cigarette they could make them for just a few pounds or dollars.

well i suppose i should keep out of silly threads like this but i always was weak..

the story of the SD.. three of my family members started e smoking back around april 2008 ... we loved the concept and it did appear work for us.. but... it didnt take long to realized the pitfalls.. the chinese hardware and the western markets desire for little things that looked liked real cigarettes.. this desire drives what the Chinese make..

soo after the summer.. holidays over we made our own e smoking device.. we knew what we needed for our own needs and made something to satisfy those needs..

we made it in the only practical way at the time it could be made.. it wasnt a mod simply a purpose made thing made using as many mass produced components as possible.. having made many small quantity items in the past we know how to do it.. rob as many mass produced thing to get parts as you possibly can.. trying to make each piece from scratch simply isnt a viable alternative.. large scale possibly... small scale its a big no no

back when we first made it the term "mod" did not exist....

we then offered it for sale on ebay.. since then we have sold it to over 40 different countries.. and for whatever reason whatever it was we made people liked..

the screwdriver was in essence a piece of market research.. it has proved a market for such (and similar) devices exist..

our needs aint that different to the needs of many others who want to get of real tobacco..

a normal chinese e cig is simply a battery holder attached to an atomizer with a switching mechanism.. a screwdriver is simply the same.. it just makes no attempt to ape a real tobacco product.. its called a screwdriver simply because when we inserted the first atomizer.. with a great deal of amusement we thought it looked exactly like one.. he he

now for the why.. we were quite happy with the performance of a brand new 901 mini from a vapour point of view.. we were never after more vapour..

we were just not happy with having to carry six batteries around and replace a pair every two weeks to just to keep them going like brand new... and we aint happy with wire tethers..

we have never made false claims about our product.. we have never had to demand has always exceeded our ability to supply.. we have undersold deliberately to keep demand down.. we even try and pick and choose our customer.. we try and put off those we think wont benefit from our product..

things are a wee bit different now.. we are bigger we have more money.. we can do things that back then we could not do... we have our own little factory in the UK.. we also have chinese factories making things to order for us..

so dudes please stop making claims about how screwdrivers are made.. you are a wee bit behind the times..

trog

 

[motorcity57]

so 16 pages of bull. yes we already knew that a mod is just a glorified battery housing, throw in a switch, and machine some adapters to fit the different atomizer models.
whats the point? oh you mentioned the price, dooooh. so they charge hundreds of dollars for their battery housing, don't buy one, problem solved. make your own . i am quite sure i could make my own, and maybe i will some day. but i'm not gonna go outta my way to bash someone who is making them for sale , just because it costs them 25 bux to manufacture and sell it for 125.

 

[halopunker]

so 16 pages of bull. yes we already knew that a mod is just a glorified battery housing, throw in a switch, and machine some adapters to fit the different atomizer models.
whats the point? oh you mentioned the price, dooooh. so they charge hundreds of dollars for their battery housing, don't buy one, problem solved. make your own . i am quite sure i could make my own, and maybe i will some day. but i'm not gonna go outta my way to bash someone who is making them for sale , just because it costs them 25 bux to manufacture and sell it for 125.

When you make a generalized statement, such as the one that is bolded above, you make babies cry. It similar to the same generalization that the news stations do, 'Ecigs cost anywhere from $100-$140'. Trust me, if I could get them machines, buy all the parts, and pay a guy to put them together for $25/pc, I definately would. But then again, I'd like to keep the Silver Bullet here in the States as opposed to china and even then I wonder what type of metal would be use lol.

There are slight differences from Mod to Mod, but yes if you look at the basics, then yes you can generalize it by saying...It's just a tube, with a button and a battery. But who is trying to say that it is anything other than that?

 

[surbitonPete]

Well I certainly don't run any of the 'mod' e-cigs down, they are great...I only grumble about the price people want for them. The price seems perfectly understandable when someone is making them one at a time in his garage but most people are now getting involved in small factory production on them and after spending many years as a Manufacturing technician. I can't help thinking the prices could easily be much less. Although in saying that I may well be wrong because I am used to 'mass' production costs and that is quite different really.

Not that any of it matters to me ....I can make my own. lol.

 

[gjrhine]

Prices have nothing to do with what it costs to make. Prices are based on supply and demand. What the market will bear. Economics 101. Witness farm produce at one end - often has to be subsidized. Witness the iPhone at the other end.

 

[crazyhorse]

I agree that subtle differences such as air draw do make a difference, but only on the negative side, Atomizers were designed for certain amount of air to go through them . So anything you can do to alter it will as far as today ,make the performance worse not better.

Imagine that!

 

[Ivisi]

The original batteries are small in power because they are small - designed for a 7mm diameter tube and include automatic switching.

This is nothing about Chinese made or not. Two different things.

So I find your remarks distasteful.

When I can buy a Chinese made e-cig battery that delivers good voltage for more the 30 minutes to my atomizer, doesn't pull apart at the connector after a week's worth of careful, case-stored use, doesn't stop taking a charge after 30 days or so, is sealed so it doesn't get juice leaked into it to ruin it, and doesn't activate in my pocket at the slightest vibration or sound, then I'll take back my statement. (Disclaimer: these are problems I have observed through both anecdotal statements on this forum and in my own experience with the devices I have used, but I have never experienced ALL of these problems with ONE type of battery. Example, my 401 batteries are very sound/vibration sensitive, while my 510's have exhibited both the low voltage after 30 minutes and stops charging issues, etc...)

I'm not saying that the Chinese made stuff is utter crap, but there are design flaws that need to be corrected. The Chinese e-cigs helped me, and continue to help a lot of people, get off of traditional cigarettes. The Chinese manufacturing philosophy, the way I see it, is cheaper, quicker, and in great quantity. There is no doubt in my mind that there are quality Chinese-made products manufactured, but the fact remains that there are serious quality issues and design flaws in most of the Chinese-manufactured e-cig components, and this is the reason people turn to other solutions.

There are exceptions to that, though, and I fully acknowledge those. Any parts that I have bought that were stamped with the SLB designation on the battery or atomizer (my 801 and 901 parts) have proven to be way more resilient to everyday use then any of the other parts in the same e-cig family from other manufacturers. If all the parts out of China were like this, then I don't think many of us would feel the way we do.

But the fact of the matter is, the vast majority of e-cig components used in the world are manufactured in China, and the flaws in those components rest squarely on those manufacturers. Having those manufacturers challenged by new ideas, new manufacturers, and new design philosophies is a good thing, and only stands to grow the industry. If that's distasteful, then it's a new definition of the word that I wasn't aware of.

Ivisi

 

[a2dcovert]

I'm not saying that the Chinese made stuff is utter crap, but there are design flaws that need to be corrected. The Chinese e-cigs helped me, and continue to help a lot of people, get off of traditional cigarettes. The Chinese manufacturing philosophy, the way I see it, is cheaper, quicker, and in great quantity. There is no doubt in my mind that there are quality Chinese-made products manufactured, but the fact remains that there are serious quality issues and design flaws in most of the Chinese-manufactured e-cig components, and this is the reason people turn to other solutions.

It wasn't too many years ago that we were saying that about Japan. Now look at them, they are now considered the benchmark for quality. The Chinese manufacturers are getting serious about ISO 9001 certifications. It wont be long before the financial leader of the world will also be the bellweather for manufacturing.

Kevin

 

[muldrick]

I see so many people making FALSE claims about how their
SUPER-EXTRA-DUPER-ABSOLUTELY-GIGA-AWESOME mod
will vape more, faster, better, longer, hotter, harder, etc.

Just for the record, I make no such claims: Conditions

Prices have nothing to do with what it costs to make. Prices are based on supply and demand.

Couldn't have said it better myself. If that where the case, I'd have to charge more.