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[st0nedpenguin]

I also had mucho leaking issues with the Joye cartos, along with the filler fusing together after a couple refills into a clumpy spiderweb type lump.

 

[badkolo]

I also had mucho leaking issues with the Joye cartos, along with the filler fusing together after a couple refills into a clumpy spiderweb type lump.

yeah me too, thats why i gave them to my brother and he didnt like them much either but they might be great for modding.

 

[BanjoMan]

yeah im not saying they all leak but 2 of 4 did, the taste started off great then went downhill after that, it gunked up much faster then a e2. I did like it better then older cartos but not better then a e2. im not talkin bad about them just telling ya issues i had. I do have some plans on modding those as well , maybe even ptb somehow but it might be a pain in the .... to do. the good thing is the filler or design isnt prone to burning like old cartos.

i dont know if using ptb is being hypocritical when in fact its like using a filler, just that the ptb is made of a different material its still filler i guess, the difference is with ptb i taste nothing but juice, no backround cloth taste like fluffly filler does.

The PTB doesn't seem to "hold" the juice like poly does. That's why people were pulling the poly out of their carts and replacing it with PTB way back in the ancient cart/atty days... it wouldn't give up the juice.

 

[badkolo]

The PTB doesn't seem to "hold" the juice like poly does. That's why people were pulling the poly out of their carts and replacing it with PTB way back in the ancient cart/atty days... it wouldn't give up the juice.

in the syringe mod with ptb, you can watch the ptb work its magic, you can see the juice rise as you drag upwards and then back down when you stop inhaling, i will say this, how you fold the ptb, even cutting strips in the tail effect it for the better, there are way to get the ptb to work at its maximum potential, i doubt ill find it but i have been testing many types of folds and cuts and ill unleash those soon. im happier then ever with this mod.

 

[BanjoMan]

in the syringe mod with ptb, you can watch the ptb work its magic, you can see the juice rise as you drag upwards and then back down when you stop inhaling, i will say this, how you fold the ptb, even cutting strips in the tail effect it for the better, there are way to get the ptb to work at its maximum potential, i doubt ill find it but i have been testing many types of folds and cuts and ill unleash those soon. im happier then ever with this mod.

Back in the early days of PTB cart modding it was reported by several people that juice tends to gravitate towards the folds. Most of the popular cart mods did it that way (folds toward the atty).

 

[badkolo]

yup, and fraying the tail draws juice to the top faster, but it needs to be done right or it can flood, i was able to get a ptb frayed and inserted properly but i frayed it to high and it felt like it was shooting juice to the coil and flooed it, i was amazed and shocked but br warned me of this happening in a mod of his. so i decent frayed tail ptb with a new fold at top works even better then the ptb mods we have been using up to now.

Now i can watch and see in the syringe mod how the ptb acts as its heated byt the cup and watch for any burning and so far im not getting any and its been in use for days now. im not needing to dry burn mine, i just stab the coil area and keep using it.

 

[v1John]

Don't have any laying around at the moment. I'll probably need to order some or drip tips. The inside diameter of my syringe (large end) is about 3/8" give or take.

looks like you have the 3ml syringe
just fiy, the smaller of the 3 polyehthylene (same plastic as the bottles) tubing sizes that Lowe's sells by the foot makes a good mouth tip that fits perfectly on the syringe's air stem at its top

 

[dannoman]

Well I have tried the Joye cartos (two of them) for a few hours now, comparing it with same juice in two e2 cartos...there is very much a quality difference in the taste, especially after your first few vapes. I did notice a filler taste and general degradation of the taste in the Joye's. It did very much change the flavor, not so much at first blush but with continued vaping. Its like there is this cheap weird taste added, its not a burnt taste but its there. Is it the plastic casing + poly fill? I think very much that after you get a good hit the poly fill is wicking a weaker hit than the previous hit, its not dry but until the fluid wicks back down to give you another decent hit, its weak.

I also found the cartos, though rated to hold as much don't last nearly as long. .5 ml of myfave vape only lasted about an hour I think.

I just don't understand how some really experienced vapers were saying they tested this over several refills and they were still raving about it??? I mean I noticed a big difference on my first fill. And also, the vapor is not as warm as the E2's undoubtedly because the atomizer is a good inch and a half away below where the E2's atomizer sits.

 

[br5495]

but i frayed it to high and it felt like it was shooting juice to the coil and flooed it, i was amazed and shocked but br warned me of this happening in a mod of his.

Go ahead and make it wick a little too much bad. Then crank the voltage up and watch all the smoke that comes out of the sucker. Just keep turning it up as long as it's trying to be a slurpee. I was afraid to go past 6.3 volts, though.

 

[Quick1]

I don't know boys and girls...just tried my first Joye 510 cartomizer and no hassle at all. These look very promising:

YouTube - Joye 510/eGoMega Cartomizer First Impressions

I love the E2's when you can make sure everythign is working good and maybe once they get their QC consistent. But you still haev wickign issues having to vape tilted. The Joyes have a cooler vape with a 3.7 to me because of the atomizer sitting at the bottom but...no washing and drying out, no dry burning, no modding whatsoever. Hold same amt of juice. I have become attached to the E2's for various reason but idk...

Well I have tried the Joye cartos (two of them) for a few hours now, comparing it with same juice in two e2 cartos...there is very much a quality difference in the taste, especially after your first few vapes. I did notice a filler taste and general degradation of the taste in the Joye's. It did very much change the flavor, not so much at first blush but with continued vaping. Its like there is this cheap weird taste added, its not a burnt taste but its there. Is it the plastic casing + poly fill? I think very much that after you get a good hit the poly fill is wicking a weaker hit than the previous hit, its not dry but until the fluid wicks back down to give you another decent hit, its weak.

I also found the cartos, though rated to hold as much don't last nearly as long. .5 ml of myfave vape only lasted about an hour I think.

I just don't understand how some really experienced vapers were saying they tested this over several refills and they were still raving about it??? I mean I noticed a big difference on my first fill. And also, the vapor is not as warm as the E2's undoubtedly because the atomizer is a good inch and a half away below where the E2's atomizer sits.

I've been using the Joye's for a couple of months now. I prefer the "regular" 510 cartomizers to the eGos. The eGo's do have a tendency to leak when not being used and the draw is just too "airy" for me. I actually get more/better vapor with the regulars. They only last a couple of hours but no problems. Refilled 5 or 6 times with no noticeable degradation in performance or change in flavor. I do use 100% vg and heavy flavor juice (DK-TAB, Caramel, Cigar, 555) I pretty much vape them completely dry (and hot) and the couple I autopsied showed no signs of filler burn or melt. Only had 2 out of 20 die after a few refills. I'd say they are plenty adequate for me for now. Oh, to answer your question on ohms, I quit measuring them after the first batch was consistently +/- about 0.1Ω from 2.6Ω

I'm waiting a month or two for the crap to get flushed out of the E2 supply channel before buying a box of R4s to try. Of course if they keep coming with mystery fluid, different wicks, etc. etc. I may never try one. I also have no desire to open a premier account at Home Depot and no time to manufacture my own custom E2s from component parts scavenged from the occassional "good" ones. Still waiting.

 

[v1John]

I've been pretty lazy when torching the wicks and it doesn't seem to melt easily nor does it mark a paper towel when swiped like the neoprene does. It'd be nice to know that it's not leaching anything into the juice though. Is that thing even necessary?

the heat-shrink tubing? no
Not for at-home mod.
For the at-the-desk at home mod, I really don't even need the cup. It comes off easily, and I want the coil just held in place by the electrical wires which would be attached to an inner plastic tube. My mouthpiece tube is thinner than cartos or I'd use that. l may just mod the mouth piece tube so that its bottom detachable part holds the coil and wick. Hopefully the coil or wick will be easier to service (mostly the wick).

 

[badkolo]

just did it br, threw it on my 5 volt pt and holy crap i almost choked myself, charging the tekkeon now and gonna whirl this sucker in the 6's.

but thats even to much for me br. its nice to know it works but that total overkill. i can choke myself out now on the mods we have let alone what i just did at 5v with this over frayed mod

 

[Turbo]

Does one of the thinner carto condoms fit in the tube, allowing your drip tip to fit?

I made a 'drip tip' out of a piece of metal tube and the original E2 mouthpiece but the diameter of the syringe is still too big; keeps falling in. Cart condoms are too small...lol

use a cuticle cutter to clean out the hole so the mout peace fits or you can shave down your drip ttip with a nail file

I was hoping to use the original E2 mouthpiece since I don't have a drip tip. See above.

looks like you have the 3ml syringe
just fiy, the smaller of the 3 polyehthylene (same plastic as the bottles) tubing sizes that Lowe's sells by the foot makes a good mouth tip that fits perfectly on the syringe's air stem at its top

Yes, 'v1', it's a 3ml syringe. I may have to try that. I'll probably get some more syringes are recut it trying to maintain the diameter needed for the original E2 mouthpiece. I'd like to keep it pocket friendly.

 

[br5495]

just did it br, threw it on my 5 volt pt and holy crap i almost choked myself, charging the tekkeon now and gonna whirl this sucker in the 6's.

but thats even to much for me br. its nice to know it works but that total overkill. i can choke myself out now on the mods we have let alone what i just did at 5v with this over frayed mod

I don't remember which E2 you are using, so our results may be different. Mine is a little 2.5Ω regular, so it may be a little more insane. I didn't play with mine very long at those voltages.

 

[br5495]

I regulate how much mine wicks by the amount of liquid in the bottle. For 3.1 volts, I put 1.5ml in it. This doesn't even get it up to the ceramic stem. Never have filled it up to the bottom of the cup.

Right now it is in a v1John double bottle. I have two screw on caps for it. One caps it off for storage and the other has a hole in it for a mouthpiece.

 

[v1John]

I was not able to double a bottle with the 6ml one. I don't know if I need to cut the cut one longer or not, maybe I need the 20ml bottle. I do have 2 of them, they're just full at the moment, lol.
...still hoping that people want those made.

 

[br5495]

I was not able to double a bottle with the 6ml one. I don't know if I need to cut the cut one longer or not, maybe I need the 20ml bottle. I do have 2 of them, they're just full at the moment, lol.
...still hoping that people want those made.

The plastic for my 6ml bottles is too hard to stretch. The ones I am using are 10ml and the plastic is more flexible. However, I have a couple 20 ml bottles with the same diameter.

So far, it looks like you are the only one who wants such a bottle.

 

[badkolo]

all i want is the syringe mod with a slightly larger inner diameter. and not by much.

thats what i have being made, i hope it comes out right.

 

[v1John]

even the caps are a good size to hold the ceramic cup, and a cap also fits inside the bottle itself

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so much flexibility...it could even hold the ceramic cup with ptb all around it


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adding: what I need is mod that lets me get rid of the gunked wick in the coil very easily and quickly
the gunk just doesn't seem right

 

[badkolo]

there cant be any restricted space where the juice is in the tank and where the wick go into the cup, that needs to be exposed but it doesnt need to be as big as a bottle, the juice just needs enough space there so the wick s or ptb can do its job.

the e2 r4 unmodded at the proper ohm can work ok with some thicker juices and not others but performs pretty well with thinner juices but it has the issue of the new sleeve, that new sleev makes it even tighter and for some reason restricts proper juice flow, it can be a combination of wick issue and that its to small. the mods seem to prove this. but the r4 with cut wick and ptb also works well for me but i like the syringe mod better, its slightly wider and its see through and works better becuase its a little wider, the bigger tank mods work very well and let the wick do its job. I dont see why microcig doesnt just make plastic cases that are wider and be done with it, whats the hold up.