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Just to clarify, are you using straight VG or their Aquatious Glycerine? AG is much thinner than VG. I'm using the latter.

i have a premixed DV VG juice, a test sample, it should be 80%straightVG + 20% water if i remember well..
Do you use 100% straight VG? I believe is almost impossible to make work straight VG in a cartrige, isn't it?
 
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i have a premixed DV VG juice, it should be 80%straightVG + 20% water if i remember well..
Do you use 100% straight VG? I believe is almost impossible to make work straight VG in a cartrige, isn't it?

Not sure what you mean by cartridge (just these ego-T's?) but I've always used 100% VG in KR808D-1s, 510 megas, Joye 510 carts, etc. I get my VG juice from Cignot. It's Dekang. Mainly DK-TAB, Caramel, and 555. This last order the DK-TAB was noticeably thinner than for the last year. Don't know if it's a temporary thing or not. The Caramel was just as thick as ever. The 555 has always been slightly thinner (inbetween the current DK-TAB I got and the Caramel).

For some reference, I cannot draw the cramel into a 21 gauge needle and can barely get it to drip out with extreme pressure on the plunger. Using a 20 gauge blunt I can draw about 4 ml in 20 to 30 seconds. With the latest DK-TAB I can draw about 4 ml in about 5 to maybe 10 seconds.
 

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i have a premixed DV VG juice, a test sample, it should be 80%straightVG + 20% water if i remember well..
Do you use 100% straight VG? I believe is almost impossible to make work straight VG in a cartrige, isn't it?

Yeah, that's about the same thing. Their Aquatious Glycerine is a mix of VG and distilled water, probably 80/20 or close to that ratio. We're using the same thickness, methinks. Nhaler is thicker, no doubt.
 

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Not sure what you mean by cartridge (just these ego-T's?) but I've always used 100% VG in KR808D-1s, 510 megas, Joye 510 carts, etc. I get my VG juice from Cignot. It's Dekang. Mainly DK-TAB, Caramel, and 555. This last order the DK-TAB was noticeably thinner than for the last year. Don't know if it's a temporary thing or not. The Caramel was just as thick as ever. The 555 has always been slightly thinner (inbetween the current DK-TAB I got and the Caramel).

mmmh.. i could be wrong but i don't think dekang VG juices are 100% 'Pure' VG, there should be some water in it...
Pure VG is almost a blob.
 

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mmmh.. i could be wrong but i don't think dekang VG juices are 100% 'Pure' VG, there should be some water in it...
Pure VG is almost a blob.

Yeah I think you are right. DK is mixing it with something... and yes pure VG is crazy thick... the thickest purchased 100%vg juice that I have ever tried was AVEJuice (us supplier ournat. ) which was thick as sin.. wasn't as thick as pur VG.... he mixed with PGA I believe to aid in thinning and vaping.

EDIT: the AVEJuice I tried was one of his first/second batches when starting out

I truely don't think (I believe the masses don't either ) that pure VG is the choice to vape with out SOME kind of dilution ...

ournature.. I think, by the sounds of it, your thick juice test is sufficiant enough for the general populous.


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mmmh.. i could be wrong but i don't think dekang VG juices are 100% 'Pure' VG, there should be some water in it...
Pure VG is almost a blob.

You are most likely right. The caramel dekang I get is about the same consistency as the "pure" vegatable glycerin I get from the drug store. I don't know of that has water mixed in or not. I can't draw either though a 21/22 gauge needle. I was just saying that there is significant variance in the consistency. Saying "dekang VG" is almost meaningless for comparison purposes. Saying "dekang VG DK-TAB" is probably good for a rough comparison but the difference in consistency could still be significant. I think the best you can do without getting juice physically side by side is thick, medium thick, medium, medium thin, and thin... One bottle of dekang VG DK-TAB I got from Cignot was Thick. The very next bottle of dekang VG DK-TAB I got from Cignot 2 weeks later was definitely Medium Thick.
 

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So I clicked through that link to ecosmoking.com to check out the ego-T, and while I was there I noticed they seem to be selling CE2s in a bunch of different colors, which confuses me... I thought they were only made in black and stainless steel. Also, they're not clear on whether they're R4s or R3s or what... and also they seem to be really cheap ($5.50). Does anyone know what the deal is with these?
 

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Anyone ever thought of using something like this for the wick

3M Ceramic Textiles & Composites - Nextel(tm) Woven Ceramic Fabric

maybe it could be rolled to fit inside the coil and then just fan out all the way to the bottom of the carto.
Seems like pretty heavy duty stuff. Any idea how much it is?

no clue, i just did a search for Ceramic Fabric and found that, thought it could be a good wick.
 

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Taz..... I've been able to get away using an insulin syringe with the pre-mounted needle. You have to be careful because of the "angle of attack", but it is doable. But I still don't understand the complaints about the flex needles. I put the needle in first, draw up the liquid, and attach syringe to needle. Piece of cake. Worst thing I've encountered is using an older flex needle on a new carto. Sometimes the fill holes are a touch small and the older flex needle is too flexible to get into the fill holes. But that is solved by using a new needle.
 
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I use the needle that came with my Ink refill kit for my printer, got a syringe from the drug store that holds 2ml I believe. Measured my needle with the flex needle that comes with the ce-2's and cut it to that length. Works perfect. Don't have to worry about sticking yourself and you can cut the needle with a regular scissors. Also if you over fill your ce-2 you can draw back and suck the extra juice back out and not waste it.
 

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I use an 18ga needle from the farm store. (I ground the point off first). Works great.

If you are using an gauge needle you must be making the hole in last plug larger. At least in the cartos I have an 18 gauge needle doesn't fit. Are you getting any leakage of juice afterwards?
 

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Sib -- I've been using these devices unmodded and one with the syringe mod with no problems at all on my 510 devices. I have eGo batteries and several home built 510 box mods, both 3.7 and 5 volt. They work like a champ. The only issue I've run into is if I hit too frequently I need to slow down and let the wick "catch up". Otherwise I'll get less vapor production. I need to try more of the ideas mentioned in this fantastic thread to help with that.
Please don't give them (the manufacturer) any ideas about raising the prices (just kidding you)....lol. They really are a great device and I still do not understand all the problems people mention in terms of filling and using them. There is such great advice right in this thread if you can take the time to read back and use the tips and ideas mentioned, you should have no problems a all.
 

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II don't have any mods but they work the same on all of the batteries I have assuming the same the working voltage and ohms. It does make a difference If I use an R808 which has a 3.7 working voltage as compared to an ego that has a 3.1, 3.2 working voltage. I tend to like a 2.5 ohm with the R808 and can't get the same hit and smoke from an ego. I still use the ego with some juices but like the R808 better. Most of the vapers on this thread seem to prefer a 2.8 or 3.0 ohm with an R8008.

I still have a wicking problem with even medium thick juices 50pg/50vg. Haven't tried it with anything thicker. This is with a batch I ordered two weeks ago. They seem to get a bit better with every new batch from the factory.
 

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Well, I’ve tested Marcia Braidy enough to state the following. (This CE2 experiment is a stock R4 XL in all ways except tube material & braided stock wicks. The wicks were soaked & boiled cleaned, but have not been torched) The usual “my juices” disclaimer applies of course…

She works well. Very well. Vapes to dry tank from vertical very consistently. Multiple juices, multiple juice flavors & colors, multiple dry-burns – and no wick discoloration in or near the slits. And what I’m finding is mostly counterintuitive. The now-larger wicks are severely bent, smashed between the cup & tube wall, & pinched by the filler-ring slits. There’s been no change in wick surface area from stock. Nonetheless, she works. Well enough that I’m convinced that MicroCig hasn’t done much at all in trying or testing alternate structured wicks, irrespective of their claims.

This outcome has led me to a couple of different experiments with the too-short-stock-wicks, which amount to “purposeful wick distraction”, with really interesting results. More on that later…
 
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