New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[beckdg]

Ya sure, how much is a pinch of salt?

Exactly 45 grains if done correctly using Morton's iodized table salt.

And I can produce that within 1 grain every time.

I'm the Zen master of table salt pinching.

The trick is to feel the weight between your fingers and imagine you're a crouching tiger stalking a gazelle (freestyle).

Tapatyped

 

[SlickWilly]

I'm not ignoring anything.

I'm factoring in the healing I've done and the health benefits I've received from what I've done...

And the fact I've found what works for me.

Doing it your way would result in me smoking again.

And I'm NOT doing that.

Tapatyped

No one is forcing you to do anything, why are you so upset? You dismissed the info presented, so why keep arguing? Are you trying to tell us who want to play it safe to dump our TC mods and vape your way?

 

[tj99959]

a dash.

I only know this .... I'm 76, and I'm still alive!!!
@ 68 I was told that I would never live to see 70.

So I don't worry about all this stuff that much, because I've already won!

add:
The only real change in what I vape was changing from dripping on a 510 atomizer to dripping on an A7 RDA. Still vaping @ the same 7-8 watts, still mixing juice the same, even using the same silica wicks.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Exactly 45 grains if done correctly using Morton's iodized table salt.

And I can produce that within 1 grain every time.

I'm the Zen master of table salt pinching.

The trick is to feel the weight between your fingers and imagine you're a crouching tiger stalking a gazelle (freestyle).

Tapatyped

Sitting quietly,
doing nothing,
Morton comes
and the salt pinches itself.

 

[Lessifer]

And that would seem to be the Inherent Limitation to something like a CE4. Or Many "Clearos". The Inability to Control any of these Variables.

Correct, though you can control 4 of the variables, to some extent. Power applied, length of puff, speed of airflow, viscosity of the liquid(I'd include in this the vape style, you know, the classic ce4 twist and twirl).

 

[NU_FTW]

I only know this .... I'm 76, and I'm still alive!!!
@ 68 I was told that I would never live to see 70.

way to be stubborn. Keep on keeping on

 

[NU_FTW]

Exactly 45 grains if done correctly using Morton's iodized table salt.

And I can produce that within 1 grain every time.

I'm the Zen master of table salt pinching.

The trick is to feel the weight between your fingers and imagine you're a crouching tiger stalking a gazelle (freestyle).

Tapatyped

chuck Norris never misses by even one grain

 

[beckdg]

No one is forcing you to do anything, why are you so upset? You dismissed the info presented, so why keep arguing? Are you trying to tell us who want to play it safe to dump our TC mods and vape your way?

If it makes you feel better, sure.

Do what's best for you.

I didn't dismiss anything though.

I'm actually ecstatic this is here.

Notice on the first couple pages I thanked Mike and Kurt.

BTW: if you want, you can avoid diketones and such as well.

I don't. I think it tastes great! But I give the people I make juice for as much info as I can and let them choose.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

chuck Norris never misses by even one grain

I taught him everything he knows.

It's true, once in every lifetime, a student does surpass the teacher. [emoji14]

Tapatyped

 

[zoiDman]

Correct, though you can control 4 of the variables, to some extent. Power applied, length of puff, speed of airflow, viscosity of the liquid(I'd include in this the vape style, you know, the classic ce4 twist and twirl).

All True.

And if a CE4 styled Clearo had a TC capable Coil Wire, I suppose it could be Run on a TC Device.

 

[beckdg]

All True.

And if a CE4 styled Clearo had a TC capable Coil Wire, I suppose it could be Run on a TC Device.

Are there any available?

If not, who could we procure for such a task as creating One?

And mass producing it?

I'd like to see the option for other people who enjoy them.

Tapatyped

 

[mikepetro]

Again, I'm not arguing that TC isn't useful. I'm arguing against the idea that TC is absolutely necessary for a "safe" vape.

For a "community" that despises how the government is trying to control what we can or cannot do, we sure do like to impose limits on ourselves at the drop of a hat/study.

Hey, look at my OP, all I said was "Temperature Control is important". And that vaping below 470F is "safer".

If you think you do it by taste, or wire calculation, or whatever, more power to you. I know that I can now tell if a vape is more than 440-450 by taste, but that is only because I have been using a 440F reference for a couple years.

I believe there is something to these studies. Are they dead nuts on the money, probably not. At least they are trying to apply science to it objectively which is more than I can say for a lot of past studies.

And yes, I respect the laws of science far more than I do any 3-letter acronym.

 

[kiba]

Wow, this sure turned into a clusterf... eh Mike?

Though, logic dictates, this would have to turn into a cloudyfecker vs tootlepuffer argument at some point.

 

[tj99959]

Are we having fun yet????

 

[beckdg]

Hey, look at my OP, all I said was "Temperature Control is important". And that vaping below 470F is "safer".

If you think you do it by taste, or wire calculation, or whatever, more power to you. I know that I can now tell if a vape is more than 440-450 by taste, but that is only because I have been using a 440F reference for a couple years.

I believe there is something to these studies. Are they dead nuts on the money, probably not. At least they are trying to apply science to it objectively which is more than I can say for a lot of past studies.

And yes, I respect the laws of science far more than I do any 3-letter acronym.

I think you both make fantastic points.

Let's face it.

There are going to be those that stick to the letter on this...

Those that appreciate it's here for them...

And those that could care less.

Shrug

To each his own.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

Wow, this sure turned into a clusterf... eh Mike?

Though, logic dictates, this would have to turn into a cloudyfecker vs tootlepuffer argument at some point.

I hope not.

I do believe TC is available all the way up the power ladder.

Tapatyped

 

[mikepetro]

Wow, this sure turned into a clusterf... eh Mike?

Though, logic dictates, this would have to turn into a cloudyfecker vs tootlepuffer argument at some point.

Yeah, sort of was inevitable.

Nonetheless, it is important to share research as it becomes available.

People can believe what they want to, I believe I will have another vape.......

 

[tj99959]

I hope not.

I do believe TC is available all the way up the power ladder.

Tapatyped

Not really, TC doesn't let you go there.
Some people love their steak burnt.

 

[SlickWilly]

If it makes you feel better, sure.

Do what's best for you.

I didn't dismiss anything though.

I'm actually ecstatic this is here.

Notice on the first couple pages I thanked Mike and Kurt.

BTW: if you want, you can avoid diketones and such as well.

I don't. I think it tastes great! But I give the people I make juice for as much info as I can and let them choose.

Tapatyped

Look's like I owe you an apology, no I did not see you thank Mike and Kurt so I do apologize. In my frustration I guess I took aim at the wrong person

What I've been seeing is post after post of dismiss, doubt and any tests equal your a shill of BP, BT and the FDA. Mike posted this info in hopes of helping people, take the info and draw your own conclusions, don't derail the tread with your unfounded opinion, where are their test results? Post em! Those that chatter up the thread will leave doubt for some who will come. How would they feel if someone told their kids driving 100mph while drunk is perfectly safe? What if they are wrong, what if these tests are correct and they keep someone from being safe then down the road we find out there truly was a danger, what would they say to those they harmed? Sometimes it really is best, if you don't have anything good to say don't say anything at all.

 

[zoiDman]

Are there any available?

If not, who could we procure for such a task as creating One?

And mass producing it?

I'd like to see the option for other people who enjoy them.

Tapatyped

Don't know what is Available these days in a CE4 styled Clearo? Or really Any clearos? I haven't used Clearos for a Long Time.

But the Who in Who might produce something like that would be Anyone who wants to Submit it on a PMTA.

And I Imagine they would make it with Proprietary Connector so it Only worked on their TC Device. Which, of course, they would Also be seeking PMTA Approval for.