In a tc mod, that 500 is the calculated temperature of the wire, right? When you set it to 500 are you actually hitting 500 or are the other limits, i.e. power available, keeping you below that. If you are hitting 500 at the coil, do we know that the liquid itself is reaching 500, or does it start to aerosolize before reaching that temperature? This would be why it would have been great to get measurements from the vapor produced by a coil in tc, and not a steel tube.
You are quite correct. TC is merely a calculation based upon resistance change and the known TCR of the metal. We do not directly measure the temp of the coil. About the only way I can imagine doing that would be to attach a teeny tiny thermocouple to the wire. Or the wick. Or the chamber. Or 3 teeny tiny thermocouples to all of them for monitoring. Not very practical, and not known which one of those thermocouples will provide the data required to determine the probability if producing nasty stuff. But if you vape on a silica wick in a SS chamber like that performed in the Wang PLOS paper, I guess you could use a direct measurement as they did to extrapolate the risk at a given temperature.
Hey, look at my OP, all I said was "Temperature Control is important". And that vaping below 470F is "safer".
If you think you do it by taste, or wire calculation, or whatever, more power to you. I know that I can now tell if a vape is more than 440-450 by taste, but that is only because I have been using a 440F reference for a couple years.
I believe there is something to these studies. Are they dead nuts on the money, probably not. At least they are trying to apply science to it objectively which is more than I can say for a lot of past studies.
And yes, I respect the laws of science far more than I do any 3-letter acronym.
I think concluding that higher temperatures are more likely to result in breakdown products of possible toxicity. And the Wang study (or Evolv study because they're the ones who dragged that in to begin with) appears to demonstrate that, under the laboratory conditions as spelled out in the material and methods, aldehyde production rises considerably about 470F, and primarily is derived from the glycerin/gylcerol stuff, and little from the PG (let's not go anywhere near flavorings as that's a whole separate 50 page thread). So, how does that correlate to real world experience?
The real world experience is shown in this other slide (posted before) by separate investigators measuring aldehyde production with actual tanks and coils we vape on.
Walking through this again, measurements of actual levels of formaldehyde and aectaldehyde with a Subtank coil (maybe Kanthal maybe SS they don't say) produces very small amounts with wattage (not temp control) settings up to 26W. The absolute amounts measured are lower than those reported by Wang/Evolv but it wasn't being done by temp so there's that issue. In addition, it appears from that slide that the same holds up for a Nauti, a Cubis, and a KF clone.
So in a real world setting, with hardware in actual use in the wild and not a SS chamber with a glass wool/silica wick, there isn't anywhere near the levels we would be overly concerned about. What is a bit weird is comparing the emissions above with the emissions reported in the Evolv presentation.
Now, the scales are different, and Evolv seems to be reporting Acetaldehyde (not formaldehyde too, and not sure why not) in amounts per 25 puffs. They then attempt to compare (at least it's the way I see it) the 25 puff exposure to 1 cigarette. It appears when correct to per puff, at the 480F mark which crosses the red cigarette line, it would be 1000 µg/25=500 µg per puff. Those other guys above who did the test with actual vape gear is lower by several orders of magnitude of about 0.5 µg/puff at 25W (total aldehyde 0.34+0.16=0.5 µg).
So the interpretation I take away from that back of the envelope statistical analysis is that there remains considerable variation in the measurement of bad stuff with vaping which will hopefully be clarified with further research. Whether you decide to run with the Evolv curve created out of Wang's published study or the info from Kistler's presentation about actual tests done with a Subtank, it's apparent that running a hot coil is probably a bad idea for your juice (come on, formaldehyde just does not taste good) and maybe your health.