New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[mikepetro]

A little late, but if you have a pair of tongs used for canning, a simple, empty, tin can would work really well especially one the size used for canned mushrooms. Alternately, you could kludge a handle right onto it with a couple of sheet metal screws. I don't think you'll actually be saving the PG and VG for vaping once your tests are done anyway.

No I wont be saving it. But it will have the same level of nic that I use for the vape tests, so I dont want to waste more than I have to. The reason I am including the nic is to account for whatever effect it might have on the boiling point, ie the boiling point tests will be from the exact same batch as the vape tests.

 

[Rooodie]

I'm new to vaping, I started vaping to quit smoking cigarettes. So far it is working, I'm down from a pack a day to about 4 a day! Anyways, this study is worrying me a bit that I might be vaping more carcinogens than I did with cigarettes. I tried following the posts in this thread, but all of this information is going over my head. My question is I have a stock Wismec Predator 228 mod and am using the stock coils that came with it. I'm vaping at around 70 watts. How can I monitor my vaping temps to ensure safe levels? Would you all recommend getting different coils? Thanks for helping a noob out.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm new to vaping, I started vaping to quit smoking cigarettes. So far it is working, I'm down from a pack a day to about 4 a day! Anyways, this study is worrying me a bit that I might be vaping more carcinogens than I did with cigarettes. I tried following the posts in this thread, but all of this information is going over my head. My question is I have a stock Wismec Predator 228 mod and am using the stock coils that came with it. I'm vaping at around 70 watts. How can I monitor my vaping temps to ensure safe levels? Would you all recommend getting different coit's? Thanks for helping a noob out.

Have you used your Predator 228 in TC Mod, with TC Coil(s)? And then compared the Hit you get with the Temp Limit set to 430F to what you get in Wattage Mode at 70 Watts?

 

[awsum140]

Yeah, but an old tin can, or one left over from making dinner, is a lot cheaper than 14 bucks at Wally World for a, potential, one use application. Plus it'll heat, and cool, a heck of a lot faster than something with thick walls. On top of all that, I'm CHEAP!

 

[mikepetro]

Hey, you quit the stinkies, you are inhaling far less nasties now regardless of what you vape. You are doing good!

Your mod is a Temp Control mod, that is good.

The Elabo atty that comes with it accepts TC coils, but I cant find any info on the 2 stock coils that come with it. I dont know if they are TC or not.

Search around on the threads here on ECF for someone who has one of these, maybe they can help you out.

 

[mikepetro]

Yeah, but an old tin can, or one left over from making dinner, is a lot cheaper than 14 bucks at Wally World for a, potential, one use application. Plus it'll heat, and cool, a heck of a lot faster than something with thick walls. On top of all that, I'm CHEAP!

Amazon.... it was worth $14 NOT to have to go to WallyWorld.

 

[Rooodie]

Have you used your Predator 228 in TC Mod, with TC Coil(s)? And then compared the Hit you get with the Temp Limit set to 430F to what you get in Wattage Mode at 70 Watts?

I haven't yet. I thought since my mod was a TC Mod that it came with TC coils. I guess I should do a bit more research!

 

[Rooodie]

Hey, you quit the stinkies, you are inhaling far less nasties now regardless of what you vape. You are doing good!

Your mod is a Temp Control mod, that is good.

The Elabo atty that comes with it accepts TC coils, but I cant find any info on the 2 stock coils that come with it. I dont know if they are TC or not.

Search around on the threads here on ECF for someone who has one of these, maybe they can help you out.

Thank you! I feel so much better already after only switching to vaping for 3 weeks. Thank you for your advice, I will be searching the boards for more info on my setup!

 

[zoiDman]

Thank you! I feel so much better already after only switching to vaping for 3 weeks. Thank you for your advice, I will be searching the boards for more info on my setup!

If you try doing the TC vs VW comparison, Please let us know what you find.

This Thread has Gotten Huge. So you might have Skipped Over much of it. But here is a little Test I did awhile back...

Just an Update.

OK... I did a Fresh build on my Subtank Mini. It was 316L 26ga 3mm Coil @ 0.35 Ohms. Put it on a eLeaf Pico with TC set at 420F and 16.0 Watts. e-Liquid is 20%PG | 80% VG Unflavored. Muji Cotton Pancake wicking was flavored with Watermelon/Strawberry DIY. Airflow is set to 35% Open using a Toptank Mini New Style Base.

With my normal 5 ~ 6 Second Hit, on 30 Second Intervals (6 Hits Total), the TC never came on.

Doing a 5 ~ 6 Second Hit, on 5 Second Intervals (6 Hits Total), I did get the TC to come on after the 3rd Hit. And TC did Kick in Very Quickly on the 4th and 5th Hit. On the 6th Hit, TC was on about at the start. And the Normal Flavor had diminished. Not Burnt Tasting. Just Over-Used and in need of Rest tasting.

Also, I was able to get the TC to come on if I did Long Back-2-Back Hits with No Rest Interval between Hits.

Also have a Mild Nic Headache. And am in Need of a Big Glass of Water.

 

[Lessifer]

I'm new to vaping, I started vaping to quit smoking cigarettes. So far it is working, I'm down from a pack a day to about 4 a day! Anyways, this study is worrying me a bit that I might be vaping more carcinogens than I did with cigarettes. I tried following the posts in this thread, but all of this information is going over my head. My question is I have a stock Wismec Predator 228 mod and am using the stock coils that came with it. I'm vaping at around 70 watts. How can I monitor my vaping temps to ensure safe levels? Would you all recommend getting different coils? Thanks for helping a noob out.

Keep in mind that what is being discussed here is whether vaping is 99.9% safer than smoking or 95% safer, or 90% safer. By all means, do the tc coil test, to see what the comparison is. It is highly likely that if any of the compounds were present at high levels, you'd taste them. They could be present at low levels and you might not be able to taste them, but they would be levels comparable to cigarettes, and it would only be 3 of the 60+ potential carcinogens that are present in cigarette smoke.

 

[Mowgli]

If you try doing the TC vs VW comparison, Please let us know what you find.

This Thread has Gotten Huge. So you might have Skipped Over much of it. But here is a little Test I did awhile back...

I'm finding that 40-50W is similar (as it can be) to the 420F I was using.
Of course it depends on whether it's a bigger chamber, or pre-hits or not etc

Aromamizer V2, Boreas, Aromamizer Plus with dual twisted 28ga or 27ga SS430.
.16Ω-.25Ω - 50j-60joules @ 420°F and 75joules for the twisted 27ga

I dropped them down to 410°F and it's almost the same.
I can live with it (longer maybe even?).

 

[zoiDman]

I'm finding that 40-50W is similar (as it can be) to the 420F I was using.
Of course it depends on whether it's a bigger chamber, or pre-hits or not etc

Aromamizer V2, Boreas, Aromamizer Plus with dual twisted 28ga or 27ga SS430.
.16Ω-.25Ω - 50j-60joules @ 420°F and 75joules for the twisted 27ga

I dropped them down to 410°F and it's almost the same.
I can live with it (longer maybe even?).

Yeah... Many Factors go into what Temperature a given Coil might reach in a given Atomizer.

The Biggest take-away I got from the Quasi Testing that I did was how Chain and or Back-2-Back hitting effected whether TC came on or Not.

 

[VapNMirrors]

I think the other takeaway is that wicking efficiency is a major factor. If you're wicking efficiently (and it tastes good) you're likely running reasonable temps.

 

[Rossum]

Anyways, this study is worrying me a bit that I might be vaping more carcinogens than I did with cigarettes.

Not bloody likely! The worry here is a couple of compounds, vs. dozens of them in tobacco smoke.

 

[Rossum]

I will be mixing my juices at 36mgml as that is what I vape. No flavoring for the tests, just PG/VG/Nic/H20. So I would assume that even in the pure VG mix it will lower the Boiling Point a little as the BP of nic is 486F where VG is 554F.

If you're going to do boiling point tests, I think it would be good to do at least one both with and without nic, just to see what effect the nic has. I would suggest doing it at 50/50 (PG/VG).

 

[mikepetro]

I need to check my PG/VG stock, although I think I have at least a gallon of each.

 

[awsum140]

Only a gallon of each?

 

[GeorgeS]

I'm not quite sure the boiling point tests will be all that useful or easy to do. First we have a number of charts showing the boiling point of various mixes and secondly "usable amount of vapor" is highly dependent on air flow.

Case in point: with a freshly wound coil and primed wick left to the open air for inspection hitting the fire button might produce little to no vapor however if you blow on the coil all sorts of vapor can be produced.

Just a thought.

 

[Rossum]

I'm not quite sure the boiling point tests will be all that useful or easy to do. First we have a number of charts showing the boiling point of various mixes and secondly "usable amount of vapor" is highly dependent on air flow.

I've seen charts of VG/water mixes and PG/water mixes, but I've never seen one of PG/VG mixes, have you?

 

[Rossum]

I need to check my PG/VG stock, although I think I have at least a gallon of each.

I'd be willing to contribute an entire Glycube to this. However it probably wouldn't appear on your doorstep until next week sometime.