Kanthal really doesn't have any benefits anymore. Switch over to stainless steel. Works just as well as kanthal and can be used in tc.
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New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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No way to calculate that reliably. There are simply too many variables.
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Glycerol
Formaldehyde
Very possible, but you need carbon. You have to burn it.
Edit: My mistake, too early in the morning, no coffee yet... Disregard please.
Formaldehyde
Very possible, but you need carbon. You have to burn it.
Edit: My mistake, too early in the morning, no coffee yet... Disregard please.
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wow, this thread .... escalated quickly.
Anyway, for me i think the problem is habit, what was "way too hot, I cannot vape that!" 2 years ago is now "meh, i can go hotter".
I dont want to wake up in 20 years having produced toxins to me, my wife and my child. I have already 6 years under my belt, with the first 2 years being an experimental guinea pig for all manufacturers.
The problem now is figuring out if i am vaping at a safe temperature. I think the only solution is switching to SS so i can compare same coil on TC and non TC. If it is hot enough for me i will have to switch to SS. If not then bummer i will have to get used to vaping cooler. This is the first study (although i am conservative about a study made by Evolv about TC), that made me think!
Anyway, for me i think the problem is habit, what was "way too hot, I cannot vape that!" 2 years ago is now "meh, i can go hotter".
I dont want to wake up in 20 years having produced toxins to me, my wife and my child. I have already 6 years under my belt, with the first 2 years being an experimental guinea pig for all manufacturers.
The problem now is figuring out if i am vaping at a safe temperature. I think the only solution is switching to SS so i can compare same coil on TC and non TC. If it is hot enough for me i will have to switch to SS. If not then bummer i will have to get used to vaping cooler. This is the first study (although i am conservative about a study made by Evolv about TC), that made me think!
Just for clarification. This study listing the carcinogen temps was not associated with Evolv, Evolv just quoted it. See the footnotes on the Evolv slide, thats how I found the original study.
Its possible and it happens. We know. Its been analysed like 1000 times already. Lots of other stuff is formed when PG/VG break down, its pretty complex.
Here is just one example of all the stuff you can find when you fire a ProTank2 at 15W:
Solvent Chemistry in the Electronic Cigarette Reaction Vessel : Scientific Reports
Doesn't look all that nice, right?
Here is something else we also know...Don't dry fire your vape!
It does to me. I get the perfect coil I like to vape with when I use this wire. I would need to double the wraps and use much higher wattage to get the same vape with SS wire.
EDIT: Just tinkered with SE and found I could get the same vape I'm used to without
using more watts and just a couple extra wraps using 30g ss instead of 28g that I use to make my kanthal coils.
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Glycerol
Formaldehyde
Very possible, but you need carbon. You have to burn it.
Ah, the formula for glycerol is C3H8O3
Another way to "draw" the structure.
Glycerin already has Carbon in it. Three of them.
Aldehyde production from glycerol (or PG for that matter) can occur by oxidation, reduction, dehydration, and even by catalytic processes. Burning glycerol is not required.
That one is incorrect, it's actually using the same TFR as ni200. Take a look at it next time. You can download the correct inr from SE
I'm sticking with my twisted ss430 for my DNA devices and 24ga kanthal for non tc builds. I've shelved all my dual coil attys and use single coil ones. My 420F tc vape is feels the same as my non tc vape. I don't like a really warm vape...just cooler and steady.
I must not know the secret handshake to get 316L to work in tc. I've downloaded the Steam Engine csv numerous times...and 316 hits temp limiting immediately and the vape is anemic. Meanwhile, the downloaded 430ss works like a charm....30 watts/40 watt preheat @ 1sec/420F/.56 ohms. I used the same settings for 316L and the problem always starts.
I did use 316 in power mode, but after less than a half day, it started tasting burnt.
I must not know the secret handshake to get 316L to work in tc. I've downloaded the Steam Engine csv numerous times...and 316 hits temp limiting immediately and the vape is anemic. Meanwhile, the downloaded 430ss works like a charm....30 watts/40 watt preheat @ 1sec/420F/.56 ohms. I used the same settings for 316L and the problem always starts.
I did use 316 in power mode, but after less than a half day, it started tasting burnt.
Thanks for that. That aligns much better with the graphs that show PG and VG can create carcinogens without combusting/burning.
Even trace amounts of water lower the boiling point substantially, and VG is hygroscopic; it loves to absorb moisture from the air.What's even more confusing....
Look up the boiling point of VG. 290 C. So how does it even vaporize with a coil temp of, say, 250C?????????
Yeah, but this is ticking me off.
This is very unscientific, I'm not even sure what nic level I'm at (suspect it's about 10mg/ml) and 10% PG + some water. I just eyeballed this last batch of DIY so ....I vape unflavored.
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Now I wonder what all that means to me. [emoji14]
What do other TC users normally vape at?
Here's what i do, since I'm a visual learner... put in some dry cotton, start at 350F and fire it, keep going up on increments of 10 until you singe the wick, usually it's around 400F so I set my TC to around 390F
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Having used several ProTank 2 atties when I first started vaping, I can tell you that 15W is way too much power for them and will produce an awful tasting vape. With stock coils that use very thin (nichrome?) wire and silica wicks, they're happiest at about half that power, and anything more than 8-9 watts was obviously wrong to me, even when my sense of taste and smell were nowhere near recovered from smoking.
Only one problem with that. Many of us have lifetime supplies of Kanthal that you are suggesting that we just throw away. ........... Not gonna happen!
So the question still remains, how to use Kanthal safely?
Also remember that many of us have years invested into how to use Kenthal.
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Also remember that many of us like simplistic devices.
Warning: Don't try that! Cartos have recessed center pins.
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