New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[KenD]

Without flavoring, I would easily taste and feel those levels of aldehyde production.

How do you know that? I'll definitely notice a dry hit, but I have no knowledge of how precisely I can taste aldehydes.

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[zoiDman]

Precisely no information (yet) seems to be the key. So we MAY be, we may NOT be.

I think you could take this to the Next Level.

And ask... If some Are and some Aren't, what is the Percentage of "Are's" and what is the Percentages of "Aren'ts"?

 

[SteveS45]

Using one of these my tanks rarely get the liquid hotter than 100°F with chain vaping like a freight train.

 

[sonicbomb]

So to summarize:

The study might be accurate, it might also be negative propaganda.
In the real world outside the test lab your atomizer might be producing some toxins. It might also not.
Are the levels of toxins (assuming they are there) a big deal in relation to the cigarettes we smoked or any of the other toxins in our daily environment? Maybe, maybe not.
Does this mean we should all adopt TC at relatively low temps? Try it you might like it, maybe not.
Should we abandon our mechs? Absolutely yes, and mail them to me at 9 Verdigris Villas, Iefinloveamech St. for safe recycling.
Should weep bitterly that vaping is not actually 100% harm free? Probably not, though a good cry does have health benefits.
Should we allow the long term TC users to gloat smugly, can't be stopped.
Should we panic? Probably not.
Should we seek further real world test data, definitely.

 

[zoiDman]

How do you know that? I'll definitely notice a dry hit, but I have no knowledge of how precisely I can taste aldehydes.

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Exactly.

I wonder at what PPM the Average person can start to Detect the Things that were Evaluated in these Studies?

 

[oplholik]

LOL, good one sonicbomb.

 

[zoiDman]

...
Should we abandon our mechs? Absolutely yes, and mail them to me at 9 Verdigris Villas, Iefinloveamech St. for safe recycling.
...

 

[VHRB2014]

Vaping`s been around now for 20 years + ?
Where is victim #1?

 

[KenD]

It does to me. I get the perfect coil I like to vape with when I use this wire. I would need to double the wraps and use much higher wattage to get the same vape with SS wire.

EDIT: Just tinkered with SE and found I could get the same vape I'm used to without
using more watts and just a couple extra wraps using 30g ss instead of 28g that I use to make my kanthal coils.

No you wouldn't, not with a regulated mod at least. Simply use the same gauge, coil id, and number of wraps. The coil mass and heat flux is very similar so at the same wattage you should have a very similar vape.

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[Lessifer]

Which brings my one real irritation about the above. Results #1 are probably reproducible and true with the same setup in another lab. #2 contorts itself to somehow state that users will end up at higher temps (thanks to ECigStats) THEREFORE TC is an important safety mechanism to protect vapers from their own misguided choices. If Evolv wants folks to actually buy that line of thought, do the study, then come tell us the results. not imply something from study X makes their study Y correct. IMO, I think Evolv is doing vapers a disservice in trying to make facts fit their business model rather than the converse. Because one thing I'm really not expecting is Evolv coming out with a firmware update capping temps at 470F to protect their customers.

I was trying to be nice and not come out and say it

How do you know that? I'll definitely notice a dry hit, but I have no knowledge of how precisely I can taste aldehydes.

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Exactly.

See, this is where I think evolv's data might actually come in handy. I'd have to go back and look at it, but it seemed like without TC the coil temp seemed to steadily rise, so the chances of you hovering at that low bad point are probably negligible. It seems like once you hit that point, you're going to spike up into the red zone. Could be wrong though.

 

[Bonskibon]

No you wouldn't, not with a regulated mod at least. Simply use the same gauge, coil id, and number of wraps. The coil mass and heat flux is very similar so at the same wattage you should have a very similar vape.

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Doesn't look the same to me:

EDIT: Brought to my attention that I may have misunderstood you.

 

[mikepetro]

It does to me. I get the perfect coil I like to vape with when I use this wire. I would need to double the wraps and use much higher wattage to get the same vape with SS wire.

EDIT: Just tinkered with SE and found I could get the same vape I'm used to without
using more watts and just a couple extra wraps using 30g ss instead of 28g that I use to make my kanthal coils.

Tinkering is good. Do you know what temp you are vaping now? Remember, knowing the temp is the goal, the wire is just the vehicle.

 

[Bonskibon]

Tinkering is good. Do you know what temp you are vaping now? Remember, knowing the temp is the goal, the wire is just the vehicle.

I haven't made the coil yet. I will be doing "experiments" with what I have available soon though.

 

[oplholik]

LOL! I'm spending too much time keeping up with this thread to go in and tinker.

 

[mikepetro]

Doesn't look the same to me:View attachment 639705 View attachment 639705 View attachment 639707

I haven't made the coil yet. I will be doing "experiments" with what I have available soon though.

Did you intentionally try to keep the SS at 1.6 ohms? I am not intimate with SS wire but I know that most of the temp wires I have dealt with were ~1/4 the ohms of a comparable kanthal coil.

 

[Bonskibon]

Did you intentionally try to keep the SS at 1.6 ohms? I am not intimate with SS wire but I know that most of the temp wires I have dealt with were ~1/4 the ohms of a comparable kanthal coil.

I was responding to what Ken told me as far as not changing anything from how I usually build my coil. I wouldn't make that one. I will be using 30g ss.

 

[Bonskibon]

LOL! I'm spending too much time keeping up with this thread to go in and tinker.

Yeah, same here. I'm not excited to do it, but will for my own sanity.

 

[KenD]

I can't use it.

I react.

Throat and tongue swells.

So there's that.

Tapatyped

Didn't think of that. Sorry it doesn't work for you :-( For those that don't have those kinds of problems though, kanthal really doesn't have any benefits.

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[mikepetro]

I was responding to what Ken told me as far as not changing anything from how I usually build my coil. I wouldn't make that one. I will be using 30g ss.

I "think" what he was saying is try this for a similar vape:

 

[KenD]

What's 'regular TC' ?

Tc based on calculating the temperature based on the rise in resistance. Regular, or "normal", in the sense that that's how the overwhelming majority of mods do tc (hohm tech as well when it comes to ni200, titanium, ss etc, if I'm not mistaken).

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