New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[Bonskibon]

I "think" what he was saying is try this for a similar vape:

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Oh, if that's the case than my mistake. As you can see I don't use SS that often.

 

[tj99959]

vaping`s been around now for 20 years + ?
Where is victim #1?

Unfortunately my demise will be listed as "smoking related" regardless of the fact that I now vape.

 

[Bonskibon]

I like this better:

 

[KenD]

I'm hearing a lot of "just use TC devices" and for some that's not an option for one reason or another. Some people like kanthal, or are allergic to other metals so there has to be a better response than that.

Sorry, but the universe isn't fair. Tc tech for other wires exists, simply not easily doable with kanthal. If choosing kanthal is simply one's preference then it's really it's really up to you. Like preferring the taste of sugar to sweeteners in cola. Liking the taste of sugar more is a bad excuse if one needs to lose weight.

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[zoiDman]

See, this is where I think evolv's data might actually come in handy. I'd have to go back and look at it, but it seemed like without TC the coil temp seemed to steadily rise, so the chances of you hovering at that low bad point are probably negligible. It seems like once you hit that point, you're going to spike up into the red zone. Could be wrong though.

I just Don't Know how well all this Data applies to the Average Vaper. Because I have No Clue what an Average Vaper even is?

There just Sooooo Many Combinations and Permutations of all the Variables that go into making Vapor come out of a Drip Tip.

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One thing I will say Regarding TC and Evolv's place in the future FDA Regulated Market.

And that is Unless something really, Really, REALLY Dramatic happens, all FDA PMTA-able Mods will have some form of TC. That Dye was Cast when TC was first Invented.

I don't see this as an Attempt by Evolv as trying to get the FDA to consider TC Mods only. They Already were/are.

Because the FDA and NIH have already done "Temperature" Studies. And have their own Data as to what happens when e-Liquids are Heated.

 

[Bonskibon]

Sorry, but the universe isn't fair. Tc tech for other wires exists, simply not easily doable with kanthal. If choosing kanthal is simply one's preference then it's really it's really up to you. Like preferring the taste of sugar to sweeteners in cola. Liking the taste of sugar more is a bad excuse if one needs to lose weight.

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It's not so much that it's a preference to me, but it is an easy wire for a cool MTL vape.

 

[MacTechVpr]

For a "community" that despises how the government is trying to control what we can or cannot do, we sure do like to impose limits on ourselves at the drop of a hat/study.

Precisely. A famine of solutions, of user knowledge.

And this suits the regulators just fine.

Good luck.

 

[mikepetro]

There just Sooooo Many Combinations and Permutations of all the Variables that go into making Vapor come out of a Drip Tip.

That is what is neat about looking at it from a Temp perspective, it levels the playing field.

And I think you are right about the Feds, Evolv isnt driving them, they were already there. Hence why so many BT closed system pods have some sort of TC built in.

 

[NU_FTW]

It's not so much that it's a preference to me, but it is an easy wire for a cool MTL vape.

you can make identical coils to your kanthal out of ss316L and apply same watts and get very close vaping experience some might say identical experience despite the huge difference in ohms . so if you choose to go tc use the same exact coil build, wraps , gauge etc .... Your vape will then be easier to tune temp to your preference

 

[mikepetro]

It's not so much that it's a preference to me, but it is an easy wire for a cool MTL vape.

I am a MTL vaper too. NI drove me nuts, when I first tried to wrap a coil, after having been used to kanthal. Really though, it was just a learning curve, and not a bad or difficult one, to learn a different wire. Once I put my mind to it, my own stubbornness kept me going.

 

[Bonskibon]

you can make identical coils to your kanthal out of ss316L and apply same watts and get very close vaping experience some might say identical experience despite the huge difference in ohms . so if you choose to go tc use the same exact coil build, wraps , gauge etc .... Your vape will then be easier to tune temp to your preference

I will be experimenting soon enough. I know SS will be my only option as the other choice wires are just to low of a resistance for me.

 

[Lessifer]

I just Don't Know how well all this Data applies to the Average Vaper. Because I have No Clue what an Average Vaper even is?

There just Sooooo Many Combinations and Permutations of all the Variables that go into making Vapor come out of a Drip Tip.

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One thing I will say Regarding TC and Evolv's place in the future FDA Regulated Market.

And that is Unless something really, Really, REALLY Dramatic happens, all FDA PMTA-able Mods will have some form of TC. That Dye was Cast when TC was first Invented.

I don't see this as an Attempt by Evolv as trying to get the FDA to consider TC Mods only. They Already were/are.

Because the FDA and NIH have already done "Temperature" Studies. And have their own Data as to what happens when e-Liquids are Heated.

I was thinking more along the lines of the temperature arc, of course that arc is moot if it never brings us to a thermal breakdown event, which evolv only hypothesized that it would.

 

[zoiDman]

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And I think you are right about the Feds, Evolv isnt driving them, they were already there. Hence why so many BT closed system pods have some sort of TC built in.

 

[MMW]

So to summarize:

The study might be accurate, it might also be negative propaganda.
In the real world outside the test lab your atomizer might be producing some toxins. It might also not.
Are the levels of toxins (assuming they are there) a big deal in relation to the cigarettes we smoked or any of the other toxins in our daily environment? Maybe, maybe not.
Does this mean we should all adopt TC at relatively low temps? Try it you might like it, maybe not.
Should we abandon our mechs? Absolutely yes, and mail them to me at 9 Verdigris Villas, Iefinloveamech St. for safe recycling.
Should weep bitterly that vaping is not actually 100% harm free? Probably not, though a good cry does have health benefits.
Should we allow the long term TC users to gloat smugly, can't be stopped.
Should we panic? Probably not.
Should we seek further real world test data, definitely.

 

[zoiDman]

I was thinking more along the lines of the temperature arc, of course that arc is moot if it never brings us to a thermal breakdown event, which evolv only hypothesized that it would.

Gotcha.

BTW - I'm now hitting on a Subtank Mini with a .6 Ohms SS Coil @ 16 Watts.

If the TC Doesn't come on when set to 420F, shouldn't I be in that Safer Zone?

 

[mikepetro]

Gotcha.

BTW - I'm now hitting on a Subtank Mini with a .6 Ohms SS Coil @ 16 Watts.

If the TC Doesn't come on when set to 420F, shouldn't I be in that Safer Zone?

Probably, if the mod is doing its job.

 

[Lessifer]

That is what is neat about looking at it from a Temp perspective, it levels the playing field.

And I think you are right about the Feds, Evolv isnt driving them, they were already there. Hence why so many BT closed system pods have some sort of TC built in.

I don't blame evolv for anything, and I can't fault them for wanting to position themselves in a way to survive the regs.

That doesn't change my opinion that TC is a solution to a problem that may or may not exist. Not that TC isn't useful, and it provides a consistent vape that for the most part completely eliminates the dry puff scenario. I would hate to have the existence of TC dissuade further investigation as to the safety of vaping without TC.

 

[sonicbomb]

Tc based on calculating the temperature based on the rise in resistance. Regular, or "normal", in the sense that that's how the overwhelming majority of mods do tc (hohm tech as well when it comes to ni200, titanium, ss etc, if I'm not mistaken).

Yeps. The atomic composition of kanthal means that it's resistance does not vary by any appreciable amount as it heats. A desirable quality for heating wire, no good for TC as the technology currently exists. But you can't trust atoms, they make up everything.

 

[zoiDman]

Probably, if the mod is doing its job.

Yeah... So I should be (In Theory) be able to move my Subtank Mini off of my TC Mod and then put it on a Non-TC Mod and run it at 16 Watts and have the Same Non-Toxic Output. As long as I don't run the Tank Dry.

 

[KenD]

Once you figure this out, neither can you.

There'll be something else eventually.

But due to my health improvements I can state with 100% certainty that my vaping is safER than my smoking was.

I don't inhale foreign substances for the purpose of knowing it's 100% safe.

That would be safer than inhaling fresh air. I suppose that's not likely

Tapatyped

True, and I'm not claiming to. However, a lot certainly seems to indicate that it's a lot easier to vape more safely by using tc and reasonable temp settings.

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