New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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Didn't think that at all. I'm learning so much through this thread and grateful for so many knowledgeable vapers here to help and guide us as a community. We all just want to vape as safe as possible.@Bonskibon, I'm responding as I read the thread. Sorry if I'm coming on as annoying and pushy. I think I've repeated this thing at least one time too many now
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Not sure I understand your Question?
I'm using the Default TC-SS setting on the eLeaf Pico. Not a Custom TCR in a Memory Mode.
On the Pico in either TC-SS, TC-Ni, TC-Ti or Memory TCR Modes M1, M2 or M3, you can set both the Watts and the Temp Limit.
Or At least I believe you can. I have Only used TC-SS on it. But that's what the Manual says.
Gawd, thats a classic! We have a ton of Rockwell Automation at work and my whole crew busted a gut over this one. This guy plays it off well.....
Yeah you can.
I'm using it in Ni mode (because of the coils I have) and have had it set at both 75 watts and at 25 watts (now).
But....it's still temp controlled. It's just about how much current it dumps into it...but it still ends up at the same coil temp as far as I can tell.
I get a "temperature control" message pretty much every puff.
So I'm not sure what your post meant. I guess. What were you testing? Maybe because you had it set so low at 16 watts?
I guess I don't care how many watts it dumps into the coil per ms as long as it regulates the temp. And as far as I can tell, in TC mode, it ALWAYS regulates the temp.
What the Test was for was to see if 420F TC Kicked In for that Tank/Build set at 16 Watts.
And for the Way I Vape, Non Chain Vaping, it didn't.
So now when I run the Same Tank on a Plain Old VW Set-Up, in theory, I shouldn't be Exceeding 420F at my Normal 16 Watt Vaping. For that Build of course.
Not surprised you got a kick out of it, I figured you'd get my drift.
Here's another, this one an instructor played for us during a transmission rebuilding class back when I was twisting wrenches.
I thought you had found "another mode". nm.
I get what you're doing. I'm not 100% sure that's apples-to-apples though.
Did it "feel" the same 16 W either way? Hmmmmm.
I get what you're doing. I'm not 100% sure that's apples-to-apples though.
Did it "feel" the same 16 W either way? Hmmmmm.
Yeah... The 16 Watts feels about the Same in VW or in TC when TC doesn't Kick in.
This wasn't a Definitive Test by any means. But I know of No Real way to even Guessitmate coil temperature when in VW Mode.
Honestly, I'm not very Concerned about the Coil Temperatures that I use. But I was Curious to see if I could get a BallPark Number for my Subtank running at 16 Watts.
Because I have used Subtanks at 15 ~ 17 Watts for a Long Time.
Which worries ME....because I've been using it at 21 watts. 
And TC warning kicks in at 21 watts with a temp of 210C.
That was with .5 ohm stock coils (OCC red). Now I have OCC blues. So maybe not the same for required watts.
Had I been using OCC blues before I guess I'd have a better comparison.
And TC warning kicks in at 21 watts with a temp of 210C.
That was with .5 ohm stock coils (OCC red). Now I have OCC blues. So maybe not the same for required watts.
Had I been using OCC blues before I guess I'd have a better comparison.
I expect that will start to change, a lot of them are SS already bc it allows people to use in both TC and power.
There's currently only one that I can reccommend and it only comes in 28g. Check out unkamen.
Probably bc of its high resistivity. SS has a low resistivity.
Trust me I get it, I was the same way, didn't want to give up kanthal, and SS mesh, and mechs, and still have a ton of kanthal in different guages and sheets and sheets of mesh, vaped like that for about 6 years... finally I gave up on it since there was like two mesh genny's come out in the last two years, switched to cotton, hated it. started using dna's and TC exclusively, more out of necessity than anything else, bc I'm ADD and don't pay attention. But I was able to change my habits, and it didn't take long till I ended up really liking it.
Which worries ME....because I've been using it at 21 watts.
And TC warning kicks in at 21 watts with a temp of 210C.
That was with .5 ohm stock coils (OCC red). Now I have OCC blues. So maybe not the same for required watts.
Had I been using OCC blues before I guess I'd have a better comparison.
Think of it this way Atty.
Maybe you have (stress on Maybe) been getting Detectable levels on 1 or 2 Chemicals from vaping. And maybe (again... Big Stress on Maybe) those levels of 1 or 2 Chemicals even are getting to something like Smoking. What about the 1,000's of Chemicals you Aren't Inhaling that we Know are present in Smoking.
I don't know about you, but I feel Orders of Magnitude better since I switched.
interesting point
and that firmware update capping temps would be the logical step to take for evolv!
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That's a good observation. A piece in the process of getting a handle on this business.
Did you try doing extra long drags, or chain vaping. Be interesting to see whether you were able to hit temp control doing that stuff.
According to what I've read the fsk curve is a combination of EPT (electronic packet tech), very VERY small changes in wire res and user input.
The EPT works by sending electronic data packets through the coil and the mod reads the speed at which it returns. The hotter the wire, the slower the data packet returns. Kind of like doing a speed test on the internet?
The user input thing I'm not particularly impressed with in comparison to using tcr and cold res values to determine coil temp.
wow, this thread moves right along. 4 or 5 pages behind after 29+ pages.....
lol, I have 2 single batt dna75's and wouldnt mind a few doubles or triples some day but all that fiddling with escribe sent me back to my wismec/eleaf boards quick. and now that I got some hohm tech mods those get used less and less.
lol i got 8 of them NIB, anyone interested in a package deal?
lol, I have 2 single batt dna75's and wouldnt mind a few doubles or triples some day but all that fiddling with escribe sent me back to my wismec/eleaf boards quick. and now that I got some hohm tech mods those get used less and less.
Another day when work hours are too long and I can't catch up on posts but I made a little discovery today, some home made science, i want to pass along that might be useful.
I'm using the Arctic Fox firmware on both a pico and vtc mini. the display's are set up to show the max temp and max watts reached on each puff in TC mode. When my rda wick is saturated I was seeing max watts but lower a temp than my max temp. When all the free liquid is absorbed by the wick the temperature of the coil starts to hit the limit but the watts needed to do that go way way down. Today on break I check the read out after a puff and BOTH the watts and the temp are high. It didn't take long to realize I hadn't changed the wick for several days longer than usual and the readouts were telling me the wicking was becoming less efficient. I just got home and rewicked and after a few puffs I'm seeing behavior that's associated with a fresher wick. By trial and error I found I prefer a fresh wick about twice a week or every 10-12 ml. It is startling to see numbers backing up my perception. This is science we can do. All you need to check my results is the firmware (free), a compatible device and a rebuildable atomizer, preferably an rda. The firmware does have a learning curve. Once you get how it works it's easy but patience advised.
I'm using the Arctic Fox firmware on both a pico and vtc mini. the display's are set up to show the max temp and max watts reached on each puff in TC mode. When my rda wick is saturated I was seeing max watts but lower a temp than my max temp. When all the free liquid is absorbed by the wick the temperature of the coil starts to hit the limit but the watts needed to do that go way way down. Today on break I check the read out after a puff and BOTH the watts and the temp are high. It didn't take long to realize I hadn't changed the wick for several days longer than usual and the readouts were telling me the wicking was becoming less efficient. I just got home and rewicked and after a few puffs I'm seeing behavior that's associated with a fresher wick. By trial and error I found I prefer a fresh wick about twice a week or every 10-12 ml. It is startling to see numbers backing up my perception. This is science we can do. All you need to check my results is the firmware (free), a compatible device and a rebuildable atomizer, preferably an rda. The firmware does have a learning curve. Once you get how it works it's easy but patience advised.
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