New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[Imfallen_Angel]

One aspect of the issue is that a lot of folks stocked up a lifetime of supplies because of the FDA deeming. In many cases investing a lot of money in it. I can understand them not wanting to "obsolete" their stash.

Oh I understand that, but still, it's more about "not for me", "too complicated" or the other reasons usually given that I find that they kinda lose out on something that they might enjoy quite a lot. Like I've said a few times already, people are set in their ways.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

Most tanks can handle 232C no problem. The actual chamber that heats up is metal, not poly. I regularly vape at 440F so I know its possible.

I've actually have yet to see a tank that can't handle everything I throw at it.. the main problem is that some tanks can get freaking hot after a few pulls.. but at the same time, the better I've built, the less hot they become now.

 

[optsmk]

The bottom line is if you inhale anything that is burning, you will be inhaling carcinogens. If you are camping and have a fire, barbecuing, using your fireplace, burning candles, driving your car etc... you are inhaling carcinogens. The question is when your tank is full and you are vaping, is the eliquid burning or vaporizing. When it does burn, you definitely know it because you can taste it. We've probably all tasted that, but how many times has it happened? I've maybe inhaled burnt juice maybe a dozen times since 2009 when I started. So I doubt that will have any negative effects. I didn't watch the videos but if they did measure carcinogens, the were probably burning a dry wick.

 

[optsmk]

Oh, maybe we should ban automobiles too.

 

[Don29palms]

The bottom line is if you inhale anything that is burning, you will be inhaling carcinogens. If you are camping and have a fire, barbecuing, using your fireplace, burning candles, driving your car etc... you are inhaling carcinogens. The question is when your tank is full and you are vaping, is the eliquid burning or vaporizing. When it does burn, you definitely know it because you can taste it. We've probably all tasted that, but how many times has it happened? I've maybe inhaled burnt juice maybe a dozen times since 2009 when I started. So I doubt that will have any negative effects. I didn't watch the videos but if they did measure carcinogens, the were probably burning a dry wick.

AMEN! There needs to be some real honesty in these proganda studies.

 

[Imfallen_Angel]

The bottom line is if you inhale anything that is burning, you will be inhaling carcinogens.

 

[classwife]

Oh I understand that, but still, it's more about "not for me", "too complicated" or the other reasons usually given that I find that they kinda lose out on something that they might enjoy quite a lot. Like I've said a few times already, people are set in their ways.

(emphasis mine...)
And that is really ok. As long as they aren't smoking !
The option/possibility to find out/improve/validate is here for the taking (or not).

This isn't a shove it down your throat thing...probably could be a strong suggestion...but to each his own to not smoke.
That (not smoking) in and of itself is huge !

 

[tj99959]

That (not smoking) in and of itself is huge !

^^
As I stated earlier, my demise will undoubtedly be listed as "smoking related" even tough I vape now. There is no known way to turn 76 yo Lungs back into those of a 20 yo, and there is simply no way to undo the damage done by those 50+ years of smoking.

Tomorrow I get to go see if an abdominal aortic aneurysm (ct scan) has gotten any larger. A condition caused by smoking, and switching to vaping will not prevent/resolve it. The damage was already done.
But, my reality still is that I would probably already be dead if I had continued to smoke.

 

[cigatron]

Just so you know, my like counts as four because I'm four times dumber than most people when it comes to TC. So, you've got your 20 likes now. (anybody see his face, is he buying it?)

Gee thanks, that's all I need, another project

 

[mikepetro]

Gee thanks, that's all I need, another project

 

[Joergl100]

Any study exhausts any result that anybody wants who pays any...or is interested in any...blaaa...

Sorry. Tired of those things...

 

[Mazinny]

Any study exhausts any result that anybody wants who pays any...or is interested in any...blaaa...

Sorry. Tired of those things...

Tired of studies ? What do you propose instead to build a testable body of knowledge open to confirmation or rejection ?

 

[sofarsogood]

Tired of studies ? What do you propose instead to build a testable body of knowledge open to confirmation or rejection ?

We've been relying on the notion that if there are concerning levels of toxic things in the liquid we will be able to taste it. This lastest 'research' does not directly refute that. It seems to imply that it might not be true. If our belief is correct then that continues to be our protection. If it's not always true then some other sort of guidelines might be needed. There are 10's of millions of people vaping every day around the world and that's been true for years so, where are the reports of doctors treating illnesses caused by using ecigs?

 

[Joergl100]

Yes, i am really tired of such kinda "studies"!!! NOTHING in my self mixed liquids is able to exhaust that scrap what is written above...no matter if very high wattage or so!

Yawn. Good night here.

Who doesn't know...has to believe...

 

[NU_FTW]

Yes, i am really tired of such kinda "studies"!!! NOTHING in my self mixed liquids is able to exhaust that scrap what is written above...no matter if very high wattage or so!

Yawn. Good night here.

Who doesn't know...has to believe...

This had nothing to do with Flavorings just VG/PG So if you are vaping pure water tell me the secret to a satisfying vape

 

[Mazinny]

We've been relying on the notion that if there are concerning levels of toxic things in the liquid we will be able to taste it. This lastest 'research' does not directly refute that. It seems to imply that it might not be true.

All due respect, i don't think we ( as a whole ) have been under the impression that we can taste "concerning levels" of toxicity. I know i haven't and i know others who haven't been under that impression either.

In any case i'm not sure how this relates to my objection to Joergl's apparent disdain for studies . Not this particular study but " any study ".

 

[cigatron]

Tired of studies ? What do you propose instead to build a testable body of knowledge open to confirmation or rejection ?

Whats up Maz? Haven't seen you in forever.

 

[Johnnyvapor18]

Ngl this makes me not even want to vape anymore but i'm not going back to cigarettes lol

 

[NU_FTW]

Ngl this makes me not even want to vape anymore but i'm not going back to cigarettes lol

Not surprising from your point of view as has been made obvious from your numerous threads you have created. Stop worrying about all the MSM hype stop worrying about all your smoker friends. 1 GUARANTEE VAPING IS SAFER THAN SMOKING.... PERIOD!

 

[Katdarling]

Ngl this makes me not even want to vape anymore but i'm not going back to cigarettes lol

@Johnnyvapor18 - what is "Ngl" please? "Not gonna listen"? Or?