Actually as far as wicking goes, KGD did better than rayon in the test. Mind you, i've never used rayon and i'm not sure what other aspects besides wicking factor into your assessment of "performance".
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Stock PT coils were something like 32 gauge wicked with silica. Remember how much better we were able to make them by rebuilding them with 30 gauge and wicking them with cotton?
I don't know what the Nautilus coils were made of. I never had anything that use them 'cause I had moved on to Kayfuns before they caught on.
I mostly use Kayfuns and Lemos these days. But I still have a bunch of PT2's. Reading through this thread they seem to be stuck in some grey area between the top end of Gen 2 and the bottom of Gen 3. But from what I've been able to glean here, making 30g coils with good cotton wicks and improving the air flow with the upgraded bases should move them up the ladder a little towards the safe zone. Along with keeping the power down to 8w or less, which is a little less than I was using before this thread, and not chain vaping on them which I was also doing.
I'm hoping that's a good assumption because I suspect getting a thermocouple into a PT head would confound even the vast scientific prowess of Professor Mike. In case I haven't said it before, thanks for all you've done here Mike.
I really wouldn't mind sticking to the Kayfuns and dropping the PT's except that I've got a bunch of them and I hate to waste stuff.
Someone else recommended that on my blog. Would be happy to repeat the test if someone sends me a sample, Im just not a cotton guy myself. Rayon tastes more neutral to me. Cotton reminds me of the flavor I used to get with hemp, not a bad taste, just a noticeable one.
My educated guess, would be that the upgrades you mention, in combination with the usage changes, would make a huge positive difference.
I can taste cotton too, but I don't have that same cotton flavor from the organic Japanese cotton (removing the thin outer layer from both sides before use).. its the only one i found that i really like to use as a result, as I can taste the rayon too..
I cant believe people are still posting in this thread.. (general shock really..)
hello everyone.. have fun.
hello everyone.. have fun.
Yeah, i couldn't comment on taste obviously, and it would be subjective anyhow. KGD wicked noticeably better than rayon with straight vg though.
The other thing I like about rayon is that it is cheap! $14 bought me a lifetime supply plus plenty to give away.
Got a link to your particular PT? Preferably one with all the parts blown apart?
Oh I was tempted. Just kept thinking neither of us would be better for it. My gramps popped in my head saying what he always said when I got in trouble as a kid "watch it or I'll knock you stupid". I looked at the guy am just thought no need he's already there [emoji23]
I watched that PB video when it came out and I had just converted to rayon from silica. Tried cotton and the wet t-shirt taste did me in. Anyhow, I think Phil didn't get the density correct in his test. Too tight or too loose will effect how well rayon wicks.
The other thing he didn't do is trim it properly outside the coil. I didn't get this at first either, but it does make a difference.
I meant his "test" stuffing various wick materials through a piece of cardboard then dipping them into some liquid. The cardboard formed a choke point for both the cotton and rayon. If the density was off at that point for either, the test wasn't particularly indicative of their wicking abilities.
I like his videos, for the most part, since he documents things fairly well but this one seemed a little off from his normal, careful, methodology.
I like his videos, for the most part, since he documents things fairly well but this one seemed a little off from his normal, careful, methodology.
In mine, I was just trying to prove how crappy silica was.
However, I have a volunteer who is going to send me a few high end cottons, and I will do a better test, with proper density, and maybe even with identical coils (or possibly a clear 3mm straw) to simulate our conditions. Then I will run the test again to see how modern alternatives perform against each other. I saw Phils vid a long time ago, I dont even remember what protocol he used, and I dont really care, I will come up with a protocol of my own.
However, I have a volunteer who is going to send me a few high end cottons, and I will do a better test, with proper density, and maybe even with identical coils (or possibly a clear 3mm straw) to simulate our conditions. Then I will run the test again to see how modern alternatives perform against each other. I saw Phils vid a long time ago, I dont even remember what protocol he used, and I dont really care, I will come up with a protocol of my own.
He's certainly human, that's for sure.
I've seen him make a couple mistakes.
His reo grand review and nic test kit reviews come to mind immediately.
One major fail up was testing ready mixed juices... that already had color in them.
And attempting to stir by hand with no solid backdrop while doing test after test.
That's a good way to waste a whole day away while accomplishing nothing.
The smart thing to do would have been to at least tape a white piece of paper to the back side of the beaker.
He could have tested nic base using the stirrer as an example of how the kit works.
But he could have used that time to introduce his viewers to a magnetic stirrer.
Would have taken less time and effort to make a mag stirrer AND do the extra tests on ready made juice to show it's ineffectiveness.
He could have done a little research on the reo before he made the video on that.
Personally, I think his information was poor at best and based on a preconceived opinion more than the device and available accessories.
Probably the best and most technical reviewer?
Yes! By far.
Infallible and worthy of the blind faith he often gets?
Not by a long shot!
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Instead of filing applications for each product variant, FDA would set product standards to establish clear and transparent rules for access to the market. Standards could be defined to control any chemical, mechanical, thermal or electrical risks for e-cigarettes; define schedules of prohibited or limited ingredients; and establish good manufacturing and quality control practice. Existing bans on sales to teens and on sales by vending machine would be retained."
Senators' Letter To FDA Commissioner Gottlieb Perpetuates Misconceptions About E-Cigarettes
In terms of bang for the buck, ease of use, life span and low to no added taste, rayon if very hard to beat.
Given the way our government works and words thing, not to mention how long it takes them to actually get something on paper, I'm not very hopeful about that one either, zoiD. They'll still probably base everything on flawed test results that support their view of vaping.
Given the way our government works and words thing, not to mention how long it takes them to actually get something on paper, I'm not very hopeful about that one either, zoiD. They'll still probably base everything on flawed test results that support their view of vaping.
Just hard to say what the New HHS/FDA might do?
Perhaps some Valid Science and a degree of Common Sense can play a Larger Role than it did in the last "Fit a Square Peg in Round Hole" regime.
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