New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers
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Most used range on the old PT heads is 6-10 watts. They start getting dry hits around 9 watts on a highly accurate device like a Provari.
Stock wire gauge is 32 so 9 watts is just a few watts under the max. 32g will pop when dry burned at about 15w.
Thanks for finding that! It's great for when I need to boil up a large pot for pasta. And here I though t was the dog that hid it.
As for the lounge, I think this is important enough it should stay under the general discussion category. Despite a little kidding around, this has really been good at staying on topic (sorta) and it is important for vapers to know that stuff like this is being looked at, and so far
Just because a topic might change how we as individuals choose to vape should never be hidden or denied. If we start doing that we're as intellectually dishonest as any anti-vape group who we criticize regularly for denying anything positive about vaping.
okay i know nothing here i just vape so can someone tell me if my style of vaping is in the safe range. I use a provari with a kabuki tank. i vape at 13.4 watts and 4.7 v. I use aspire nautilus bvc atomizer. Have no idea what kind of cotton it uses and yes i understand nothing it's all over my head. I am soo busy with my life i barely have time to breath between school and work. Mike am i vaping safely and within safe limits per your study. I appreciate all you have done to help us vapors be more informed.
Well I was actually going to read it after It was told here you had sound method. based on the little piecemeal argumentative statements I read it didn't seem that was the case. However if that's really your attitude and you don't wish to be challenged if there are issues with your testing then I won't bother. Shame though. You seem very certain of your result. Some would say arrogant even.
Throwing a quote or as an appeal to authority doesn't a good debate make. It's just another logical fallacy.
Was it heated for the same time? Larger surface area could mean more radiant heat or it could be a wicking issue.
Honestly, I dont know what temperature you are vaping at, I havent testing either of those attys yet.
Keep your eye on the thread, maybe something similar to them will get tested.
Whatever the case, its a damn site better than the stinkies, so dont sweat it.
So why'd you answer to say that again. Just have to get a last word in or what? I got it the first time. And responded.
Care factor = 0
Thin skin much ?
The point stands that even if your temp calibrations are on you're still linking your results to a flawed study which hasn't passed any peer review and is for the most part considered junk science. So while your intentions may be pure in this the bottom line is there is no definitive study showing "nasties" above a certain temp. As that study was flawed.
So you can plonk the people who disagree with you all you want. You can quote geniuses and throw them at me. None of it is making your point more valid
I came back in with an open mind to read your technical docs. I received this ridiculous response. Wow.
I hear you, DeAnna, and I'm abstolutely sure that there are many vapers nodding their respective heads while reading your (very honest) post.
All I can tell you (and tell myself) is that my vape is within the safety limits as I understand them and accept them, as evidenced by the Royal College of Physicians of London. Their marvelous study unequivocally stated that I am in the 95% of people who are doing less harm to their body than those who smoke cigarettes.
- However, the hazard to health arising from long-term vapour inhalation from the e-cigarettes available today is unlikely to exceed 5% of the harm from smoking tobacco.
I do not pretend to understand the charts, diagrams, and incredibly detailed observations made in this thread. But I do understand that vaping for me is harm reduction, and I am forever grateful to have found it.
I also truly believe that our bodies, our senses, do not lie. When I vape something that tastes burnt, or off, or "bad", I know it, and I know that's not for me.
And I am a TPuffer, from Day One to Day Future.
Thank you for your post.
500'!!!
With my little coils, that'll last...
Thank you for your offer. I've been to Worcester once in the last 3 yrs, and that was a special occasion. So not too likely.
But, that was kind of you to offer. 500'!! I'd need to bring a shopping bag and you still wouldn't miss any. And if you pass through Northampton, let me know and I'll bring my shopping bag. LOL.
And thanks for the megathread link. That'll be very useful.
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DeAnna, in the linked study device #4 was a Nautilus tank ( 2.2 ohm coil ). They used a smoking machine and it "vaped" every 30 seconds ( 4 second pulls ). The amount of formaldehyde, acetaldehyde and acrolein emitted was very very low ( non-existent for all intents and purposes ) at 13 watts . Obviously the smoking machine doesn't vape like you do, but hopefully this study is at least a little comforting
Effect of variable power levels on the yield of total aerosol mass and formation of aldehydes in e-cigarette aerosols
Lol well this thread has certainly evolved but still interesting!
Rayon vs cotton huh? I've seen this discussion many times. Just the other day i tried rayon again, one Amor tank CLR coil wicked with Cotton Bacon V2, one wicked with Rayon from some vape shop, same smooth mild NET juice. The rayon left an aftertaste that I did not like at all. The CBV2 no significant aftertaste. Same reason I quit using rayon the first time I tried it. The conclusion of my testing indicates that it's your own tasting tests that matter
Rayon vs cotton huh? I've seen this discussion many times. Just the other day i tried rayon again, one Amor tank CLR coil wicked with Cotton Bacon V2, one wicked with Rayon from some vape shop, same smooth mild NET juice. The rayon left an aftertaste that I did not like at all. The CBV2 no significant aftertaste. Same reason I quit using rayon the first time I tried it. The conclusion of my testing indicates that it's your own tasting tests that matter
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