New studies find carcinogens in vg and pg at high temps, even in tootle puffers

[440BB]

I've considered trying USP PEG 400 as an alternative, but I don't know if it would reduce the harshness some feel from PG.

 

[mikepetro]

Question:
Is the sole reason that folks use that bigger diameter wire for their coils because it produces more vapor than smaller gauge wire does, like 28g Kanthal, and hence, have to run higher wattages to fire that bigger wire ?? More Vapor production ?? I have never run bigger than 28g wire in my setups myself, so don't know the answer.

I wouldnt say "sole" reason. It is one of the potential reasons.

Larger diameter wire also has less resistance per foot. So it figures into ohms law on the final build. Some folks build to achieve a specific "heat flux" and this helps them hit their sweet spot.

I personally like 24-26AWG because it is easier to work with, and I can get an equal experience with fewer wraps than in a comparable 32AWG build. Larger wire, ie stiffer coils, are also easier to rewick without destroying the coil in the process.

So for me, its not so much more vapor as it is more convenient.

 

[mikepetro]

I've considered trying USP PEG 400 as an alternative, but I don't know if it would reduce the harshness some feel from PG.

A member here ( @tiburonfirst ) cant handle PG, so I tried making some PEG juice for her. She didnt like it but I cant remember why.

 

[52anddone]

Interesting Mike. I've run a lot of different setups, but all aimed at tight MTL vaping.

Quad 34g Kanthal
Triple 34g " "
Double 34g " "
Triple 32g " "
Double 32g " "
Double 30g " "
Single 30g " "
Double 28g " "
Single 28g " "
Single 28g NiCr

I didn't really notice any meaningful difference in the vapor production of any of the above, but like I stated, I was always aiming towards tight MTL vaping. Now I'm venturing into Restricted Lung Hits some and am not too awful sure which way to go to maximize that form of vaping. I am trying it with a wide open Siren V1 though, so more air flow than tight MTL vaping. I do have some 26g Kanthal laying around to experiment with, but that is the biggest wire I have access to right now. My R-DL setup right now is a Siren V1 w/3.5mm, 5 wrap, 28g Kanthal coil w/KGD wicking on my Wrecker G2 in xxx mode @ 93°C @ 16 watts (I like cooler vapes, and always have). I seem to like a heat flux of between 120 and 140, so there's that. Nothing exciting here on this end, as you can see, and like I said before also, PG dominate juice with little to no flavoring that I DIY. Maybe I should just try more Vapor, just to see what that aspect of vaping is all about. I don't use pre-made coils at all, prolly never will either, so it's RTA's for me all the way, with the exception of my (2) Magma V1 Drippers I use to experiment with.

P.S.; I have been mixing up 9 or 10mg/ml ECX Nic juice for over 2 years now and have settled on that formula pretty much, as I like as much TH as possible.

 

[ScottP]

I wouldnt say "sole" reason. It is one of the potential reasons.

Larger diameter wire also has less resistance per foot. So it figures into ohms law on the final build. Some folks build to achieve a specific "heat flux" and this helps them hit their sweet spot.

I personally like 24-26AWG because it is easier to work with, and I can get an equal experience with fewer wraps than in a comparable 32AWG build. Larger wire, ie stiffer coils, are also easier to rewick without destroying the coil in the process.

So for me, its not so much more vapor as it is more convenient.

I have always been one to pick a target resistance and diameter, then choose the wire gauge that allows me to hit that with 7 wraps. To me 7 wraps is the optimal number for proper wick coverage. I have tried as low as 5 wraps and as high as 10, but I always come back to magic number 7.

In fact I am pretty sure it is written in some ancient book:
"First shalt thou take out the Holy Build Deck. Then, shalt thou wrap to seven, no more, no less. Seven shall be the number thou shalt wrap, and the number of the wrapping shall be seven. Eight shalt thou not wrap, nor either wrap thou six, excepting that thou then proceed to seven. Nine is right out! Once the number seven, being the seventh number, be reached, then vapest thou thy Holy Vape of Antioch."

 

[52anddone]

Ah-men.

 

[52anddone]

I have been remiss in not stating that I always wind "Spaced" coils.

 

[ScottP]

Guessing you didn't get the reference:

 

[stols001]

Where can I get PEG400 from, anyone? I'd be open to trying anything at this point, and certainly starting with something other than PG would be awesome.... I think I either didn't know that was an option, or forgot about it.... (??)

Thanks for any pointers, I guess I could google, but if someone has the answer?

Anna

 

[52anddone]

Monty Python. Of course. Who else.

 

[52anddone]

Between you and I Anna, we've kind of turned this into "Noob's Corner", haven't we ??

 

[Eskie]

Where can I get PEG400 from, anyone? I'd be open to trying anything at this point, and certainly starting with something other than PG would be awesome.... I think I either didn't know that was an option, or forgot about it.... (??)

Thanks for any pointers, I guess I could google, but if someone has the answer?

Anna

You could get it on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M...ds=peg+400&dpPl=1&dpID=31yl3eCgegL&ref=plSrch

Sorta too bad Miralax PEG 3350 won't work. Kill two birds with one stone. Depending on individual regularity.

 

[440BB]

Where can I get PEG400 from, anyone?

Here's one source - https://www.amazon.com/Tex-Lab-Supp...F8&qid=1516318431&sr=8-3&keywords=peg+400+usp

 

[stols001]

Thanks Eskie, I would actually ah, well thanks me and Amazon are good friends.

Anna

 

[DPLongo22]

How in the holy hell do you dilute 6MG liquid and end up with 14mg? Did you mean 1.4? Decimal lives matter.

Take one 60ml bottle of 3MG, 70VG/30PG, then add 25ml of 60MG nic, plus 35ml of PG, and you'll end up with 120ml of 14MG, 65PG/35VG.

In the interest of Uncle Jack and his horse's reputations, I do punctuate.

70VG is plain "gloopy" to me. No likey.

 

[ScottP]

Take one 60ml bottle of 3MG, 70VG/30PG, then add 25ml of 60MG nic, plus 35ml of PG, and you'll end up with 120ml of 14MG, 65PG/35VG.

In the interest of Uncle Jack and his horse's reputations, I do punctuate.

70VG is plain "gloopy" to me. No likey.

Ahh so the misnomer was in saying you "cut" it. Made it sound like you were diluting (making it weaker) vs concentrating it (making it stronger). It makes sense now.

 

[DPLongo22]

I have been remiss in not stating that I always wind "Spaced" coils.

Good because you balance me out.

 

[DPLongo22]

Ahh so the misnomer was in saying you "cut" it. Made it sound like you were diluting (making it weaker) vs concentrating it (making it stronger). It makes sense now.

Did I say that I cut it? WHOOPS!!!! Sorry - it's been a week.

I cut the flavor, ya, but NOT the strength. I like a little "ooompf", yes I do.

 

[mikepetro]

Where can I get PEG400 from, anyone? I'd be open to trying anything at this point, and certainly starting with something other than PG would be awesome.... I think I either didn't know that was an option, or forgot about it.... (??)

Thanks for any pointers, I guess I could google, but if someone has the answer?

Anna

PEG 400| Food Grade Polyethylene Glycol-400 | Buy E-Liquid E-Cig

 

[Katdarling]

I cut the flavor, ya, but NOT the strength. I like a little "ooompf", yes I do.