"If" you do decide on the Kgo from DCV be aware there are many complaints about the cartos that come with the kit.
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bworms, I, too, like the EGO set-up. I'd been using EGO's for close to Two years before i discovered Reos mods ( they're a box style " bottom feeder" set up...but they're initially expensive, tho the unit is vertually indestructable, so all you replace occasionally is the batteries and, of course, either the cartomizers, atomizers, or clear and other tanks for the juice),
so my two cents worth is to go for the EGO kit, 900-1000 Mah. I'd suggest, from my own personal viewpoint, not to get the EGO Twist just yet, as they're a little more complicated. The site that a poster before recommended also has juices. I'd
suggest a few smaller bottles of different flavors and if the vendor has menthol flavor crystals, i'd suggest getting a little lf that, too.
I'm so glad you're ready to get off the tobacco! i've been free of them since Oct. 2009, tho i might not have made it thru if it wasn't from all the help on the forums., and I'd smoked heavily for over 50 years.
Good luck to you, come back anytime for any questions and just to hang around people that have been able to quit the
horrible tobacco. And you can p.m. me anytime.
so my two cents worth is to go for the EGO kit, 900-1000 Mah. I'd suggest, from my own personal viewpoint, not to get the EGO Twist just yet, as they're a little more complicated. The site that a poster before recommended also has juices. I'd
suggest a few smaller bottles of different flavors and if the vendor has menthol flavor crystals, i'd suggest getting a little lf that, too.
I'm so glad you're ready to get off the tobacco! i've been free of them since Oct. 2009, tho i might not have made it thru if it wasn't from all the help on the forums., and I'd smoked heavily for over 50 years.
Good luck to you, come back anytime for any questions and just to hang around people that have been able to quit the
horrible tobacco. And you can p.m. me anytime.
Hi and welcome!
I prefer to think of PVs (e-cigs) in categories as opposed to specific models. The categories are very roughly as follows:
1. 510 or 808 cigarette-looking devices
2. Elite 808 a bit bigger than #1
3. Riva 650 - 900 or kgo
4. Large metal tubes with removable batteries
5. 5v box mods
6. full VV devices
So begins the process of elimination......
What you have to do is properly identify with a category before you make your choice. The ones that usually wind up covering the most ground (battery life, performance, price) are the Riva 650-900/kgos. They are not that much larger than a cigarette (therefore more socially acceptable) and you can stick a 1.7 ohms cartomizer on them, providing a decent vape. That's why many recommend them and many are happy with them.
The E-power is a very poorly constructed device in my opinion. Very cheap materials and poor workmanship.
Many seem to like the eGo twist and, it seems, with good reason. It is a variable voltage battery without the battery being removable. It outputs up to 4.8v (makes it feel stronger, warmer, fuller, richer) and you should be able to stick any cartomizer you want on there (someone please verify this) as opposed to the fiddly tank system the kits come with. So couple that with an 18mg or 24 mg liquid of your choice and some Boge SR cartos and you should be all set to go. This way if the vape is too weak you can up the voltage and make it stronger/warmer/fuller. If it is too strong, you can lower the voltage and performance will drop.
All the best!!
I prefer to think of PVs (e-cigs) in categories as opposed to specific models. The categories are very roughly as follows:
1. 510 or 808 cigarette-looking devices
2. Elite 808 a bit bigger than #1
3. Riva 650 - 900 or kgo
4. Large metal tubes with removable batteries
5. 5v box mods
6. full VV devices
So begins the process of elimination......
What you have to do is properly identify with a category before you make your choice. The ones that usually wind up covering the most ground (battery life, performance, price) are the Riva 650-900/kgos. They are not that much larger than a cigarette (therefore more socially acceptable) and you can stick a 1.7 ohms cartomizer on them, providing a decent vape. That's why many recommend them and many are happy with them.
The E-power is a very poorly constructed device in my opinion. Very cheap materials and poor workmanship.
Many seem to like the eGo twist and, it seems, with good reason. It is a variable voltage battery without the battery being removable. It outputs up to 4.8v (makes it feel stronger, warmer, fuller, richer) and you should be able to stick any cartomizer you want on there (someone please verify this) as opposed to the fiddly tank system the kits come with. So couple that with an 18mg or 24 mg liquid of your choice and some Boge SR cartos and you should be all set to go. This way if the vape is too weak you can up the voltage and make it stronger/warmer/fuller. If it is too strong, you can lower the voltage and performance will drop.
All the best!!
Ok, I've read through all the advice I've received so far and I have to say thank you all for the quick and detailed responses. I'm going to go with the E-Power to start me out. That way I have something going while I continue to read and learn more about e-cigs and what I should move up to next. I've seen a few posts saying that I should try menthol e-liquid from places that specialize in it, so I'm going to jot over to the other side of the forum to see if I can find any already listed, if not can you name a few places that would be good to check out for the liquid besides the Mr-eliquid that was posted earlier? Looking into the drip tip thing you mentioned. Will the 510/901 fit the E-Power?
Hi Bworms 1980, please sit on the fence alittle while longer. While theres a lot of good ideas here, my head is spining and i bet yours is also. After spending weeks trying to make the same decision your trying to make now I reached the conclusion its a "buyer beware market". You said you wanted something that works for agiven price. what I did was,after wasteing a lot of time was find a manufactor ......in my case....JOYETECH, WENT TO THEIR WEB SITE AND CLIKED ON DISTRIBUTORS and scrolled down their list of USA vendors. By ordering from one of them you will be getting an authentic product. I have smoked for 40 years and now im smoke free for 53 days. I've had no problems with the ego-c kit i bought and it may be the easy for you to use. As someone else said, hold off on the ego twist battery, its new, bugs, got 1 two days ago, button is stiking. If I can quit without varible voltage, so can you. If you need to order something else for free shipping, try a cartomizer( more time consuming} and a Vision clearomizer. hope this is helpful.
Hi, thanks for the response, yes I backed off of hitting the checkout button for the E-Power. I'm still undecided and I'm looking at the SLB KGO Starter Kit over at Dark City Vapor. It looks like the kit does not include the e-juice so I'll have to get my first e-juice separately. Can anyone tell me what the 80PG/20VG thing is and which I should get? I'll hold off and spend the weekend doing some more reading on ECF. So much great info to sort through.
Bworms, as a newbie myself, my head was spinning too. A lot of people here know more than I do, but sometimes knowing too much creates too many options.
You want to get off analogs, and keep it simple. 1) The kit you chose pretty much has EVERYTHING you need to make a start, plus the batteries are cheap to replace. I took a look at that kit, and they include pretty much everything you'd need to make a start, even juice, at a great price, and even free shipping. You'll be vaping 5 minutes after it arrives.
2) EGO TWIST system: batteries will be variable voltage, so you can play around with turning it up or down (depending on your juice and ohm carto/clearo/tank you use-----which will enhance your vape. This is also a good "most-bang-for-the-buck", in other words "variable voltage is nice to have." !! If you can't find a kit, call the vendor of your choice who sells Joyetech products to tell you what you need. I just called my vendor and they walked me thru it. If you don't know who to try, then find the place closest to your town from the approved vendor list here, that way you'll get stuff quick.
3) Volt - everyone loves the customer service and many have quit using this one (Volt X2)
Making one or the other choices here will not be *earth-shattering*. These will all be fine, and hundreds of people on this forum have quit analogs using them.
I have seen a few reported problems on the KGO (I read a lot here)..not a lot by any means, and many people love theirs, I just didn't want one.
DO NOT agonize, and also do not spend a lot of money to start out. Because here is what is going to happen, based on what happened to me over the last 3 weeks:
1) You'll have to find 1-3 juices that you can vape all day, that you really like. Some luck out and find that quick, others like me have to spend $$ on samplers to find it, and that can cost you a few bucks.
2) You'll decide that there's some part of your equipment that you don't like (you don't like taste of filler in a carto, you don't like something about a clearomizer or tank, you decide you want to drip.) You will use the stuff you got, and then start looking for other stuff that you might like more.
(for instance, I found out my arthritic hands don't do good with end caps on DCT tanks, now I have 2 that will give to friend.)
Everyone here has different preferences. You cannot POSSIBLY know what yours will be, until you start vaping. Just trust me on that. As long as you have 510 threaded device (ego type) that will accept all the "toys" that you can buy out there, you'll have plenty of mileage to mix-n-match whatever your heart desires in terms of do-dads.
Later on you can get into the 1,000's of "which is the best tank/clearo/carto/atty" topics here and find your own slice of heaven. But you will not know what you're looking for until you have experience with your own rig.
For juice: Default to the popular. Just go to the Top 5 Vendors topic and get sample packs from the names that seem to appear most often..... or the general Juice forum---- and pick from the ones *most people* seem to like. I mean, if most people like something, it's probably a safe bet. (Didn't work for me, but I have very weird taste buds. )
And, do this for yourself. Not because of your family's intolerance. I have to admit I laughed, although it's not really funny, when you posted one of their remarks: "Don't worry, addicts always get angry when you corner them". I wanted to hug you, but then thought: Look on the bright side, this would actually make a really good cartoon.
My first attempts to quit smoking involved going to a quit smoking group for 8 weeks. The problem was, it was run by 7th Day Adventists. None of them have *ever* been addicted to cigarettes. They live a very clean life. I was very touched by their kindness to give up their time to help people, but it didn't help me. Baking reallly nice cookies and stuff for breaks didn't fix my urge for nicotine.
I'm the kind of person that needs somebody who has *experienced* what I am about to experience. If I were a returning viet nam vet earlier in my generation with an addiction, I'd only feel comfortable with somebody who had "been there, done that." So, if you're in a religous family who doesn't understand what nicotine addiction is like, then you can't really expect them to get you. It won't happen because they don't have the experience of it themselves.
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Bworms, as a newbie myself, my head was spinning too. A lot of people here know more than I do, but sometimes knowing too much creates too many options.
1) The kit you chose pretty much has EVERYTHING you need to make a start, plus the batteries are cheap to replace. I took a look at that kit, and they include pretty much everything you'd need to make a start, even juice, at a great price, and even free shipping. You'll be vaping 5 minutes after it arrives.
2) EGO TWIST system: batteries will be variable voltage, so you can play around with turning it up or down (depending on your juice and ohm carto/clearo/tank you use-----which will enhance your vape. This is also a good "most-bang-for-the-buck", in other words "variable voltage is nice to have." !! If you can't find a kit, call the vendor of your choice who sells Joyetech products to tell you what you need. I just called my vendor and they walked me thru it. If you don't know who to try, then find the place closest to your town from the approved vendor list here, that way you'll get stuff quick.
3) Volt - everyone loves the customer service and many have quit using this one (Volt X2)
Making one or the other choices here will not be *earth-shattering*. These will all be fine, and hundreds of people on this forum have quit analogs using them.
I have seen a few reported problems on the KGO (I read a lot here)..not a lot by any means, and many people love theirs, I just didn't want one.
DO NOT agonize, and also do not spend a lot of money to start out. Because here is what is going to happen, based on what happened to me over the last 3 weeks:
1) You'll have to find 1-3 juices that you can vape all day, that you really like. Some luck out and find that quick, others like me have to spend $$ on samplers to find it, and that can cost you a few bucks.
2) You'll decide that there's some part of your equipment that you don't like (you don't like taste of filler in a carto, you don't like something about a clearomizer or tank, you decide you want to drip.) You will use the stuff you got, and then start looking for other stuff that you might like more.
(for instance, I found out my arthritic hands don't do good with end caps on DCT tanks, now I have 2 that will give to friend.)
Everyone here has different preferences. You cannot POSSIBLY know what yours will be, until you start vaping. Just trust me on that. As long as you have 510 threaded device (ego type) that will accept all the "toys" that you can buy out there, you'll have plenty of mileage to mix-n-match whatever your heart desires in terms of do-dads.
Later on you can get into the 1,000's of "which is the best tank/clearo/carto/atty" topics here and find your own slice of heaven. But you will not know what you're looking for until you have experience with your own rig.
For juice: Default to the popular. Just go to the Top 5 Vendors topic and get sample packs from the names that seem to appear most often..... or the general Juice forum---- and pick from the ones *most people* seem to like. I mean, if most people like something, it's probably a safe bet. (Didn't work for me, but I have very weird taste buds. )
And, do this for yourself. Not because of your family's intolerance. I have to admit I laughed, although it's not really funny, when you posted one of their remarks: "Don't worry, addicts always get angry when you corner them". I wanted to hug you, but then thought: Look on the bright side, this would actually make a really good cartoon.
My first attempts to quit smoking involved going to a quit smoking group for 8 weeks. The problem was, it was run by 7th Day Adventists. None of them have *ever* been addicted to cigarettes. They live a very clean life. I was very touched by their kindness to give up their time to help people, but it didn't help me. Baking reallly nice cookies and stuff for breaks didn't fix my urge for nicotine.
WELL written and good advice. I was also going to tell her , that her choice looked appealing, but then i clicked it into the computor. Turns out that the dealer I bought my authentic Joyetech EGO from is also selling this ....cheaper...but the reviews are bad. Racehorse, i think your taste is dead , like mine. I tried ALOT of flavours from good american companies and wasnt happy until I reorded from Ecblend with extra flavor[peach tobacco} with methol added. If you like methol, like me, order menthol on the side to add to any flavor you dont like, it makes it better. Dont buy anything in large size,except maybe menthol, until you find what you like- 5ml is plenty to sample. 50% pg 50% vg what Ecblend recomends may not be appealing to you , very your ratios on your first order. I made that mistake. Try some things with extra flavour. I even ordered double extra menthol {very strong} on my second order, and it corrected all the mistakes on my first order.
There is a vender that sells the KGO starter kit with juice included. Here's a link.
Elite Vaporworks KGO Starter Kit with Boge LR Cartomizers - KGO
you shud try Welcome to Clouds Of Vapor the have quite alot of stuff there...do check that out! 
As mentioned many complaints about the cartos that come with the Dark City Vapor Kgo Kit.
Juice Components
Flavoring usually about 10- 15%
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. I vape 70/ 30 PG/ VG.
Different delivery systems:
atomizer/ atty- an element on to which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped
cartridge/ cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the atty- juice drips on to atty from cart and is vaporized
cartomizer/ carto- metal tube with stuffing and element.
carto+tank- a carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is than placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice saturates carto by way of hole in carto.
Clearomizer- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing. The most popular are the rebuildables. My clearo lasts about 3-4 weeks before I have to replace the coil/ wick (head)- simply unscrew old head and screw in new head- take 10 secs.
If you are going to buy the Kgo I would suggest:
Kgo Kit with Clearomizers:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag...color_plus.tpl&product_id=1304&category_id=31
The best cartos I've ever used for my Kgo and many others will agree. Right now there's many complaints about the Boges:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag..._color_plus.tpl&product_id=259&category_id=21
An atomizer so you can test juices before committing a carto or clearomizer to it:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag..._color_plus.tpl&product_id=935&category_id=20
Extra heads (coil+ wick) for clearomizer
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag...color_plus.tpl&product_id=1234&category_id=39
Now all you need is juice. I DIY so can't offer any advice but here's the ECF http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals-857.html
As for menthol I buy separate menthol drops and add it to my juice according to taste- one 30 ml bottle goes a long way.
Good Luck.
Juice Components
Flavoring usually about 10- 15%
PG enhances flavor, TH and lung hit- water like
VG= vapor and can mute flavor- thick
Nicotine- TH, lung hit and our need for nicotine. The MOST important ingredient in regards to TH and lung hit.
Standards in the industry are 80/ 20 or 70/ 30 PG/ VG. I vape 70/ 30 PG/ VG.
Different delivery systems:
atomizer/ atty- an element on to which 3-4 drops of juice is dripped
cartridge/ cart- a container with sponge (filled with juice) that is used with the atty- juice drips on to atty from cart and is vaporized
cartomizer/ carto- metal tube with stuffing and element.
carto+tank- a carto with a hole punched in it. Carto is than placed in a glass, metal or plastic tank which is filled with juice- juice saturates carto by way of hole in carto.
Clearomizer- a plastic or metal tank with a wick and element. Contains NO stuffing. The most popular are the rebuildables. My clearo lasts about 3-4 weeks before I have to replace the coil/ wick (head)- simply unscrew old head and screw in new head- take 10 secs.
If you are going to buy the Kgo I would suggest:
Kgo Kit with Clearomizers:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag...color_plus.tpl&product_id=1304&category_id=31
The best cartos I've ever used for my Kgo and many others will agree. Right now there's many complaints about the Boges:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag..._color_plus.tpl&product_id=259&category_id=21
An atomizer so you can test juices before committing a carto or clearomizer to it:
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag..._color_plus.tpl&product_id=935&category_id=20
Extra heads (coil+ wick) for clearomizer
http://www.sweet-vapes.com/shop?pag...color_plus.tpl&product_id=1234&category_id=39
Now all you need is juice. I DIY so can't offer any advice but here's the ECF http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/pay-forward-pif/85781-deals-steals-857.html
As for menthol I buy separate menthol drops and add it to my juice according to taste- one 30 ml bottle goes a long way.
Good Luck.
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Bworms, if you do order the KGO from Dark City Vapor, try a sample size or 10ml size of the Sweet Strawberry Freeze and/or the Banana Berry Freeze juice. They are menthol juices. I've tried both of them and liked them.
I've never actually considered flavor. I've never smoked anything besides menthol, so have no idea what flavors to go for. Do I need to pick a flavor and add the menthol or is straight menthol fine? I'll have to skip the banana one as banana makes me sick with its smell alone. I'm still considering the KGO but I'll pass on Dark City Vapor since many have said that their may be a problem with the parts. Thanks.
Lots of great advice here for me to save. Thank you. Ironically enough, 7th Day Adventist is the religion of my family. None smoke so they don't understand why I can't just put down the cig and walk away. For me it's more about the habit than the nicotine. I smoke when I read, listen to music, talk on the phone, etc. Tried someones suggestion of quitting using a straw but that didn't help. I need the smoke/vapor as well as the menthol hit.
That one looked great, but they are out of stock on it right now. I'll save the link to check back another time. thx
The juice has menthol in it so you don't have to add anything.
The only problem with the Dark City Vapor KGO kit is the same problem with a lot of kits from other vendors that include cartos with the kit - i.e., the cartomizers that come with the kit are terrible. But that's a $5.00 item, so it's no big deal. If you want to use cartomizers, just order a 5-pack of SmokTek 1.7ohm low resistance cartomizers.
As something of a newbie to this all myself i only have this advice.
Whatever device you get just take your time and do not get frustrated with it. come here and ask questions, No matter how silly you might think it is to ask, ASK. I am pretty sure each and every person on here had to start some place and there was a time they didn't know all the ecig slang and terms.(this number and that number, this gizmo and that gizmo).
No one will laugh at you or fault you for asking a question that is to help you save your life and if they do they are going to be very lonely here and will most likely be ran out of town.lol
But as others have said. don't get overwhelmed with all the info and take it easy.
Good luck and i wish the very best for you in your new way of life, Key word LIFE. Take care and let us know how well you are doing and what you decide to get as far as ecig device goes. Rob.
Whatever device you get just take your time and do not get frustrated with it. come here and ask questions, No matter how silly you might think it is to ask, ASK. I am pretty sure each and every person on here had to start some place and there was a time they didn't know all the ecig slang and terms.(this number and that number, this gizmo and that gizmo).
No one will laugh at you or fault you for asking a question that is to help you save your life and if they do they are going to be very lonely here and will most likely be ran out of town.lol
But as others have said. don't get overwhelmed with all the info and take it easy.
Good luck and i wish the very best for you in your new way of life, Key word LIFE. Take care and let us know how well you are doing and what you decide to get as far as ecig device goes. Rob.
Assuming that you want to maintain the size and feel of a tobacco cigarette, the Volt is the best way to go. All of their batteries are regulated, which makes for a consistant vape until it needs a recharge, and sealed. The cartridges for the cigarette style will also fit on their larger batteries and the equipment for the larger batteries will fit on the smaller batteries. So either way you go, everything is still useable. Trying to start on a larger battery may sound attractive financially, but it generally, not always, results in reverting back to tobacco simply because the battery is too large to be convenient. The goal is to get off of tobacco, for health or any other reason, not to start out as an experienced vaper. I smoked, up to 3 packs a day, for about 50 years, and have stopped using a Volt, a so-called mini that is large in performance. Smokeless Image has low cost kits, about $20 as well as more expensive ones. If you want to give it a try, I think you'll be pleased plus their customer support is excellent.
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To answer your ? Bworms 1980 , yes , you can get e- liquid in straight menthol in many choices, more so if you go to a e-liquid dealer instead of a e-cig dealer.
I agree, but i am so glad i started without asking a ? here. I think its better to go to other parts of this forum and just read. I stopped watching tv years ago because of to many commercials .
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