Newbie, when to stop vaping concerns...

[fabricator4]

no replies anybody?

vaping is not as addictive as smoking, due to the lack of the other alkaloids (about 10%, nicotine is 90%). That is why you are missing smoking even though you are obviously overdosing on nicotine. Have a look at this blog.

It probably explains why most of us use higher nicotine levels and vape a lot more than we ever smoked. The good news is that you can get over the addiction to these other chemicals - it might just take a month or two.

As for giving up vaping and/or nicotine completely, that is entirely up to you. Some people find it easy, others have trouble. Once you no longer feel the need to smoke cigarettes you can try reducing the nicotine levels and see how your body handles it. I'd suggest that you have a little way to go on your journey before you get to that point however. There's no rules though, it's different for everybody. Have a look at this thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../397377-anyone-0-nicotine-still-vaping-8.html

There's one fellow there that gave up nicotine in his vape, and you can follow his progress. Very interesting read.

 

[Slummy]

Welcome Dane. I am sorry to have missed you and the thread.

I used JacVapour e-cigs for a few months so have some experience of the product you are using. I will have a read of the thread when I get time. However, I am not surprised you have been vaping "too much" at times on 12mg (is that what you've been on?), I used JacVapour liquid up to 24mg to quit my 15-a-day smoking habit. As soon as I switch to an ego battery e-cig I went down to 18mg and these days hardly vape at all.

I vape most for the first hour of my day, and then it trails off. I vape very little in the evenings, and if I do, it's just for 5 puffs (?) at a time.

Thanks djsvapour, what you say makes a lot of sense. In terms of different E-cigs, i dont have much experience to compare the jacvapour v3i's to other brands, how did you find them compared to others?

I have been using 12mg carts, as i read somewhere that were the equivalent of a 0.5mg cigarette, which was more or less what i was smoking. i realise now that this is very subjective to how you vape and what you use.

the 12mg carts arnt too bad, they take me about 20 puffs to get the satisfaction of 1 cigarette, so i end up going through 2-3 carts in a day, and its not ideal if im busy. i do have stronger e-juices on order. Though compared to when i first created this thread, i do have my chain vaping under much better ontrol now, and its fallen into something more of a regular routine similar to when i was smoking. No more headaches and been drinking plenty of water.

I have ordered the Innokin Itaste VV express kit, which may be a bit forward as i only been vaping 5 days, but what can i say, ive so impressed with the results of the mini e-cig so far, im really keen to move it up a level and see what im missing . Also gonna be paying it forward, giving my jacvapour kit to my mother to help her quit along with me

 

[djsvapour]

Thanks djsvapour, what you say makes a lot of sense. In terms of different E-cigs, i dont have much experience to compare the jacvapour v3i's to other brands, how did you find them compared to others?

I have been using 12mg carts, as i read somewhere that were the equivalent of a 0.5mg cigarette, which was more or less what i was smoking. i realise now that this is very subjective to how you vape and what you use.

For me, the JacVapour's are about as good as it gets (mini e-cigs). More satisfying than some (most) and with the PCC you can keep the batteries ready to go. I did well on them and would have stuck with them, but I wanted to try clearomisers with a "standard" thread size.

The "maths" is not that hard to establish with e-cigs. The only problem is we don't fully know the "yield" yet - in other words, how much of the nicotine we get from the container/cartomiser by vaping it all.

a 12mg cartomiser with 1ml of e-liquid is 12mg of nicotine. If you vape that in 10 sessions that would be 1.2mg per session, but it won't be that you get all 100% despite what some people believe. I have heard people pick a number of say 40% or 50%.

Experience with other vaper's anecdotal evidence suggests people who smoked say 20mg nicotine a day (1 pack of full strength filter cigarettes, not unfiltered or hand rolled) often need to vape as much as 2 or 3 times that "dose" to curb cravings.

It's guesswork at times. However, if you feel like you need 20 puffs to satisfy, I'd imagine most people would feel that is a lot of puffs to be honest.

The innokin VV is a good device and will come with a clearomiser. Once you are using these, you can really work out "what is what" as you will know exactly how much you vaped. Give it a couple of weeks, no need to analyse too much in the early days. I got off the smokes solidly for about 2-3 months before looking into reducing my nicotine.

 

[barryd]

A very interesting thread Slummy and thanks for pointing me in the direction of it from here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...397665-newbie-all-confused-3.html#post9183878

Im a menthol smoker so the comments regarding menthol smokers are interesting. My experience having started on vaping at the weekend with the Innokin iTaste are similar to yours. I haven't been able to quit the proper cigs yet though. I only had two all day yesterday though (in 4 halves!)

I am definitely finding something lacking and the biggest disappointment for me was Saturday night which is beer night! With normal cigs I really enjoy a smoke after and during a few beers. I get a real buzz from it when combined with the alcohol and the need to smoke is greatly increased when drinking. I didn't get that buzz and hit from the ecig. Yes there is a great throat hit but no buzz or satisfaction and now thanks to reading your thread I can see why. Its clearly something else in the fags that does it for me, not the nicotine.

However its a step in the right direction as I am already smoking much much less. Im not even using the ecig that much either really.

Good to know about the dehydration thing as well which would explain Saturdays headaches. I worked out an hour in the gym and then went shopping with my wife and didn't drink a lot while overdoing the vaping and not drinking much water. Drank loads of water yesterday and no headaches.

Lets keep in touch and compare notes!

Good luck with the itaste.

 

[markr1446]

New to vaping also, went through some headaches and rolling stomach, currently using 18mg. Hopefully ill side effects dwindle as time goes on, been about a week and a half now

 

[WattWick]

Haven't heard about MAOI before. Might explain some of my experience. I've found vaping to be just as habit-forming as smoking, but not quite as addictive.

Example; I used to wake up and need a cig right away. Maybe even one right after breakfast. Now I can take my shower, eat breakfast and take my first puffs while waiting for the bus.

I did have terrible cig cravings for the first couple weeks into vaping. Cigarettes are definitely more addictive than "mere" nicotine. To me, at least.

 

[jfalbanese]

A very interesting thread Slummy and thanks for pointing me in the direction of it from here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...397665-newbie-all-confused-3.html#post9183878

Im a menthol smoker so the comments regarding menthol smokers are interesting. My experience having started on vaping at the weekend with the Innokin iTaste are similar to yours. I haven't been able to quit the proper cigs yet though. I only had two all day yesterday though (in 4 halves!)

I am definitely finding something lacking and the biggest disappointment for me was Saturday night which is beer night! With normal cigs I really enjoy a smoke after and during a few beers. I get a real buzz from it when combined with the alcohol and the need to smoke is greatly increased when drinking. I didn't get that buzz and hit from the ecig. Yes there is a great throat hit but no buzz or satisfaction and now thanks to reading your thread I can see why. Its clearly something else in the fags that does it for me, not the nicotine.

However its a step in the right direction as I am already smoking much much less. Im not even using the ecig that much either really.

Good to know about the dehydration thing as well which would explain Saturdays headaches. I worked out an hour in the gym and then went shopping with my wife and didn't drink a lot while overdoing the vaping and not drinking much water. Drank loads of water yesterday and no headaches.

Lets keep in touch and compare notes!

Good luck with the itaste.

forget drinking water for headaches. drink water to flush toxins out of your system. the more you drink, the sooner all that poison is out of your system that should be all the motivation you need to drink.oh, and you won't get any more headaches either.

 

[Slummy]

Lol jfalbanese

@ barryd, I think a huge part of it is will power. i try to think less of it as quitting smoking, but more just changing it for a new habit, and letting the new benefits of health, smell and costs keep me to vaping rather than smoking.

im 6 days without a cigarette now, and i must say compared to the first few days its much much easier now. im not thinking of lighting a cigarette anymore. Personally, i think initially the vape habit would be harder to stick too if i was still smoking cigarettes along side vaping, but in any case, if the result is your smoking less than you were, its a win win. though im still using too low strength liquid at the mo which results in me chain vaping most the morning, still waiting to receive the stronger e-liquids in the post. i imagine using a stronger hit in the morning would set me up for most the day taking smaller hits. for me, chain vaping 12mg is fine for most the day, but come night time im starting to feel a little jittery and queazy, but every day my body seems more use to my new habit. All in all, since starting Vaping i honestly feel like i have better energy and my general mood is much better than when smoking, which has been a huge plus for me.

its kinda like when you start smoking, where you learn what strengths and routine works for you. when i use to smoke id always go outside every hour or 2. even tho the e-cigs are fine indoors, i still take mine outside now and again for a few drags to simulate my old smoking routine.

the hardest think to get use to about vaping IMO, is knowing when to stop. with the analogs, you know when to stop with the cigarette burning out, and the crudeness of the smoke irritating your throat telling you to stop even if if havnt had my desired nic hit. i was smoking quite light cigarettes, so i found my self craving another cigarette quite quickly in succession to each other.

With Vaping, its so smooth and nice it just seems you can keep going all day and far past your desired level of nicotine. as tohers have suggested, just let your yourself role with it, use it whenever you feel like, and let your mind figure out what your new start and stop limits are.

wanting a cigarette when drinking alcohol was a biggie for me too... i found vaping to be fine while drinking and still give good satisfaction... but i figure, im enjoying the new vaping habit during normal every day life, i dont think theres much harm in having a pack of 10 cigs on a weekend socially out with mates

How you finding your itaste VV? i have mine on order from Ukecigstore, should come tomorrow or day after, quite excited for it

 

[Slummy]

With regards to my previous posts...

i previously stated concerns i was vaping too much a day compared to what i smoked, going through 2-3 carts a day. i came across this information in the forum...


A KR808 carto (or similar):
This system employs a cartomizer (combined atomizer and cartridge) of 35mm x 9mm
It is the benchmark 2-piece e-cigarette model - others are very similar
It contains about 18 usable drops of e-liquid
The total content is about 22 drops or 1ml but some cannot be used
Experienced users put the cigarette equivalency at about 5 to 7 cigarettes
A 20-a-day smoker uses about 4 cartos a day with this system

as i suspected many companies largely overstate the amount of cigarettes contained within 1 carto for marketing purposes. Its more comforting to know with the info above, that im generally vaping equivalent to what i was smoking.

if anybody is interested in reading more from where i got the info above from, here is the thread
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/263069-no-one-carto-n-o-t-equivalent-pack-cigarettes.html

 

[Pokerga6]

Hey Slummy,
Newbie to vaping also!
I received the itaste vv on friday and haven't smoked since. I've tried friends ecigs before but they are nothing like this badboy. I use it on a setting of 4.1 and don't need to put it up any further (goes to 5.0). I find the amount of vapour it produces is fantastic. Took a little while to figure out the flavours I like but i'm well on my way. Enjoyed vaping during a drinking session on Saturday whilst watching the grandnational and felt no need to buy fags. I'd highly recommend the itaste vv

Good luck and happy vaping

 

[Slummy]

Hey Slummy,
Newbie to vaping also!
I received the itaste vv on friday and haven't smoked since. I've tried friends ecigs before but they are nothing like this badboy. I use it on a setting of 4.1 and don't need to put it up any further (goes to 5.0). I find the amount of vapour it produces is fantastic. Took a little while to figure out the flavours I like but i'm well on my way. Enjoyed vaping during a drinking session on Saturday whilst watching the grandnational and felt no need to buy fags. I'd highly recommend the itaste vv

Good luck and happy vaping

thanks for that mate, should be getting it in the post tomorrow, a long with about 20 million ejuices ive been ordering at random n the net

ive got a day of heaving vaping tomorrow while watching season 2 of modern family

just saw your from the wirral... im from flint if you you know where that is

 

[mackeyblunts]

when i feel really lightheaded

 

[Muffinman92835]

I had similar issues when first starting to vape. I felt that when do i stop idea in my head but would continue to vape till i was dizzy and had headaches. As time goes on you start to get a good feel for when and how long you need to vape. theres a small learning curve to getting used to how vaping works with your body.

 

[bobbyfame]

new to vaping, and i dig it!

 

[Fenris4024]

First of all, welcome to the ECF, as well as congrats on dropping/ massively cutting back the stinkies. That in itself is an accomplishment! I'm new to whole vaping thing as well, and so far doing well on the no stinkies myself. I loved reading over this entire thread, so much good information as well as sound theories.

I started with the V2s myself, and they were pretty decent for getting me into vaping and not smoking anymore. I've got a VV on the way from Smokeless Image (They use 808d fittings, like the V2s). I'm hoping the VV gives me more control over my vaping to help me kill those strong cravings for a stinkie.

At any rate, welcome, stay strong, and vape on!

 

[Pokerga6]

I know Flint well, I've worked in North Wales for sometime! Hope you enjoy your day of vaping with your new toy!

 

[barryd]

I had an interesting test yesterday. I worked all day in an office fitting a new IT system. High pressure stuff and I didn't stop at all for 9 hours flat. I had my last half a normal ciggy at 9am and then didn't have one all day. I used the iTaste now and again while working but not that much. Normally by 11am I would have been dying for a cig and would have found time to go out and have one. Wasn't bothered.

So its definitely working but I just cant let go of the normal fags completely yet.

I ruined it later as I went to a dinner party in Manchester where you were encouraged to smoke inside. I got hammered of course and smoked about four normal cigs. Im hopeless!

 

[Slummy]

so felt like this deserved an update

im just over 3 weeks without smoking any cigarettes now, but lately i have been craving badly, like it feels like theres something im missing. I wanted to smoke a cigarette to see if it was all in my head or not, but i was worried that i might get hooked again. Anyway i decided to smoke one...

It was so disgusting!!!!! i couldnt tolerate the taste, it nearly made me want to vomit. it brought back a lost memory of what they taste like when i tried my first ever cigarette, and now cant remember why i ever started. im sure if i smoked a couple more i would get use to them again, but hell with that, they are horrible things.

i think the lack of MAOI's in vaping is what im craving badly, cos its clearly not the taste of cigarettes so i decided to order 4 WTA juices from aromaejuice. expensive, especially with shipping her to the UK, works out about £10 per 10mls, but from all the comments, i have high hopes for this stuff.

 

[rjscheller]

I would have to say that everything you are thinking about and concerned about is pretty typical being new to vaping... Im new to the forum but have been vaping for about 9mo. now, after being a pack-a-day smoker for about 14 years. I was free of cigs within the first few days of vaping. When I first started I had many similar feelings and questions. When we first start vaping we do get a bit overzealous over it... Vape all day like its a new toy, vaping inside everywhere, taking extra huge drags, etc... the nauseous feeling is normal at first and you will adjust, you will also find a more balanced rate of vaping once the new hype of it wears off a bit I would say that 18mg was good for me to get me off cigs, I find that at 18mg my vaping sessions are a shorter, and I get my fix a bit longer... If I step to 12mg I just end up vaping more juice to reach the equivalent. Your body will adjust fairly quickly, it will get used to the absorption rate and you will get that "fix" feeling on your first or second drag, because your brain starts to get used to the timing of everything and give you that "fix" feeling quicker. When this happens and the hype of using your device subsides a bit, you will stop over-vaping as much. Don't get me wrong the HYPE of trying juices, devices, etc may only increase im just saying having your device in your hand all the time will chill out a bit Regardless even if your vaping a bit more nic right now your cutting out 1000s of nasty chemicals and tar etc etc, so even if your nic intake is a bit more in the beginning, its a fair trade off to kick all that nasty stuff out... I recommend you do whatever works right now to be successful staying off the cigs, and then worry about your nic levels, etc... Nic is Nic, 6mg-36mg ur just gonna vape less or more to get your fix. The more I read, watched vids/reviews (grimm green, etc), and dove into vaping I found it helpful for me be successful. I personally have no intentions of reducing nic or getting off nic right now, I started vaping as a safer alternative to cigs, not to quit. I eventually may cut out the nic but I will most likely vape 0mg forever thereafter. I can tell you I feel much healthier, breathe better, taste my food now, can smell the grass, sing, run, don't smell, save a lot of money, don't worry as much about cancer, etc, etc. Experiment with juices, different attachments (drip atomizers are my preference), etc. When I started I bought a standard ego, then my first VV Ego-Twist really opened up a lot of doors being able to change the voltage and fine tune how I liked my vape. This was also helpful with not over-vaping. Once I got a really satisfying vape with my combination of juice, device, attachment, etc... I became less dependent on just the nicotine satisfying my fix alone. For now don't make your vaping sessions shorter, just try taking shorter drags, or the time between drags longer, and keep experimenting to find a really satisfying vape for yourself If you still haven't adjusted well to 12mg, Again the bump to 18mg should satisfy your fix quicker, last a bit longer, and feel a little more equivalent to a cig "quick fix". Will also help you as your body adjusts to gauge roughly how many drags you need to get your fix. Trust me, first 2 weeks I was spinning like I was 13 smoking my first pack again GL!!!

 

[fabricator4]

i think the lack of MAOI's in vaping is what im craving badly, cos its clearly not the taste of cigarettes so i decided to order 4 WTA juices from aromaejuice. expensive, especially with shipping her to the UK, works out about £10 per 10mls, but from all the comments, i have high hopes for this stuff.

That's it exactly: WTAs, Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.

I also hit the wall after about week three. The next week after that was absolute hell. I started to have trouble at work and even considered smoking a cigarette. My concentration and memory for detail was shot, and I started to not care about the consequences of my slackness. I was in a world of hurt.

I had to explain to the boss what was happening to me and while he was an ex smoker he was one of the lucky ones who had very little trouble giving it up, and did so many years ago. I explained that previous attempts to give up saw me on anti-depressents and in much worse shape than I am in now - this blew him away. It turns out that my work colleagues had been seeing a change (for the worse) in my performance from about the second week of giving up the cigarettes, but I didn't notice until the cravings really started after week three.

During this time, at home I would vape to OD and still feel that there was something missing. I really didn't want to have a cigarette; I really didn't want the tobacco to win yet another round. This phase lasted about a week, I was really unhappy during this time but fortunately had upgraded to some twist batteries for work and a Vamo for home use and was doing DIY juice. I think it really helped to have some toys and juice to play with and I managed to hang on to some of my self esteem. These forums helped immensely.

The boss insisted that I see a doctor about my degraded concentration and performance, which I did. A full blood workup showed no problems, and the doctors that I spoke to were completely clueless about WTA addiction, vaping, or anything else that was happening in my world.

During this time two things helped me a lot: One of my work colleagues told me I was doing really well not smoking. She was an ex-smoker and was one of the few people who seemed to understand. I also noticed that cigarette smoke from anyone smoking around me smelled really awful, which was not the case when I'd tried to give up before. The same colleague pointed out that this might indicated that I'd made the mental switch to being a non-smoker, something that hadn't really happened before.

The really bad cravings lasted about a week, but I made the effort to not give in and work through it. Now that week is over I'm starting to feel better but I'm still not 100%. Small improvements, every day. I can completely understand your wish to try the WTA liquids but be aware that you will probably be over the worst of it by the time you receive them. Hang in there and be strong; you are not a smoker any more.