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Nic Base Storage: Freezer vs. Room Temp Experiment

Discussion in 'DIY E-Liquid' started by Rossum, Mar 5, 2017.

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  1. Coastal Cowboy

    Coastal Cowboy This aggression will not stand, man! Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jun 13, 2013
    Alabama Gulf Coast
    At the rate of change I've experienced, and with the relatively minimal impact that change has had on what I'm making and vaping, It will be decades before I'm adversely impacted enough to face tossing it.

    But, that's just me. All other mileages will likely vary.
     
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  2. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    Right now I'm vaping a tank of FA Virginia 2% mix using the nic in the bottle picture I posted. There's a little throat hit, but that's from the FA Virginia. My unflavored mix is smooth and a little sweet from the 40% VG component. As I said uptopic I probably should and will order a small bottle of fresh nic for comparison. I'll post when I've done that.
     
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  3. Mowgli

    Mowgli Runs with scissors Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 25, 2013
    Taxachusetts
    Bummer. I just spoke to the new owner.
    It's still there but he's a fisherman so he's keeping it.
     
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  4. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    Speaking of Headroom, weren't many people here topping off with Nitrogen, back a few? I wonder how well those bottles faired?
     
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  5. ShowerHead

    ShowerHead Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 23, 2014
    Massachusetts
    Thanks for the try.
    Maybe Santa will bring me one.
     
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  6. kas122461

    kas122461 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 15, 2013
    Indiana, USA
    I didn't use Nitrogen, but I used Argon and I am still using a batch I bought in Dec of 2013. Bottled in the blue cobalt glass & argon purged, and kept in the freezer. I also wrap each bottle in aluminum foil and food service film. Most of them are in 50 ml bottles. When I have opened a new bottle, it is crystal clear. I only get to see that when I am doing a mix, then my opened bottle always goes back in the freezer.

    KAS
     
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  7. kas122461

    kas122461 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 15, 2013
    Indiana, USA
  8. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    Argon it is. TY kas:thumb:
     
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  9. r77r7r

    r77r7r ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2011
    Pa,LandOfTaxes
    Argon it is. TY kas:thumb:

    ( bet I get a dubble post...)
     
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  10. ChelsB

    ChelsB Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    California
    Where do you purchase your argon?
     
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  11. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Any welding supply place will have it.

    A more accessible alternative is a wine preserver gas mixture.
     
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  12. IDJoel

    IDJoel Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    Nitrogen, argon, and any other inert gas heavier than air (thereby displacing it) are suitable. But there is NO data that they offer any significant benefit over a properly contained (glass), and sealed (polycone-capped), container with minimal headspace. (Logic being: there is only so much oxygen available to begin with; that effects are minimal. See @Kurt's sticky: Long Term Nic Storage)

    "The main issue with long-term nic storage is keeping O2 from getting from the environment into the bottle. Even with a few mL of headspace and leaving the dissolved O2 in PG/VG, there is just not much O2 present at all. Even if it ALL reacts, it will lead to negligible oxidation." Kind of sums it up... for me anyway.:)

    This seems (to me) more of a matter of personal choice (aka "I feel better about it") than measurable results. If you have the finances, and the willingness to do so, it shouldn't(?) hurt.

    I have yet to read one post (anecdotal<"this worked for me because...">; or scientific<measured and repeatable>) where this has made a difference.

    Just me; but I need more convincing... :blush:
     
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  13. kas122461

    kas122461 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 15, 2013
    Indiana, USA
    That is where I got my argon, I bought a tank many years ago when I was interested in TIG welding. You can also get nitrogen there as well if you wish. :)

    KAS
     
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  14. kas122461

    kas122461 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jun 15, 2013
    Indiana, USA
    For me it is simple, the recommendation that you reduce contact with oxygen, and using a inert gas to do so, just made sense to me. I all ready had the gas so I just did it, also there are several Nic suppliers that do this also. I am sure that it probably, makes a very small amount of difference. I stocked up on Nicotine to last me 20+ Years, so I want as little degradation as possible. :)

    KAS
     
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  15. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    Central GA
    The infusion of the small amount of air that's in the neck below the cap doesn't really give me pause. You'd have to shake it to introduce the air into the mix. Even if that small amount of air becomes infused it probably wouldn't affect the taste of the nic. Just my opinion, though.

    Not having to worry about a tiny nic spill from opening a fully filled bottle is worth having some head space.
     
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  16. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Since air is 78% nitrogen, there's no significant density difference. In fact, pure nitrogen is slightly lighter than air, whereas argon quite a bit heavier, which means it tends to stay put in a bottle until displaced by the liquid used to fill it.

    I agree, there's no data showing a benefit. There's also the question of what exactly "purged" means To truly minimize the oxygen in a bottle of nic base, you'd have to do all decanting and mixing in something like a glove-box full of inert gas. Just filling the headspace with an inert gas after decanting and mixing in air wouldn't be optimal.

    That said, it sure can't hurt to try to eliminate as much air/oxygen as possible either, using whatever means are available.
     
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  17. coldgin96

    coldgin96 MADE IN U.S.A. Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Except breathing nitrogen without oxygen will kill you.
     
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  18. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    I have my life time supply. Where I'm looking for possible improvement is in packaging, mostly to protect against loss due to an accident. Currently my long term storage is several 1 liter amber glass bottles which are put in a zip lock bag, surrounded with thin bubble wrap then that goes into a second zip lock bag. My thinking is if a bottle breaks and peirces the first bag most likely the second bag will hold and give me a chance to salvage the liquid. I wouldn't mind having padding superior to the bubble wrap. At least the bubble wrap is flexiblee enough that frost build up woould never put pressure on the bottle.

    Another thing I think about is the possibility of separation of the liquids over years. Will the nic and carrier, I use PG, stay evenly mixed or separate oover time? Re mixing before diviiding into separate smaller bottles years from now has been on my mind for a whiile. My prefered precaution is too cobble together a bottle roller so I can completely remix over night before dividinng a 1 liter bottle. But may be there is no separation.
     
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  19. Burnie

    Burnie The Bug Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sunny Florida
    When I saw that, I thought of this. (I have One)
    rock tumbler.png
     
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  20. sofarsogood

    sofarsogood Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 12, 2014
    Nice work. Thanks. What is the distance between the rollers? The 1 liter amber glass bottles I use appear to be about 3 3/4" in diameter. Smaller plastic bottles used for mixing might be put in the rock tumbler for overnight mixing. It would be gentle and thorough.
     
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