NicVAX = Nicotine Vaccine Study Being Performed / Article

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As Vapors, we are enjoying and praising our ecigs that helped us abandon analogs. We feel healthier as a result of stopping analogs. We have read and debated about nicotine use. We have participated in snail mail, phone, and email campaigns to protest and hopefully educate those trying to eliminate our right to use ecigs.

In CT, Doctor Oncken has been funded to study NicVax (Nicotine Vaccine) by Nabi. I spoke briefly with Doctor Cheryl Oncken about doing a study with ecigs. She is aware of ecigs and Dr. Esienberg's(?sp) VA study on ecigs. She stated she would do the study in CT but studies require funding. End of conversation. After reading an article about her study and NicVax I decided to start a poll in the Poll Section..please participate. Here is the article: Kicking the Habit « UConn Today
 

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DragonflyVaper: Please put a bug in this doctor's ear. It would be a tragedy if her vaccine were approved and we did not find out about potentially devastating effects until after it was approved and widely in use (think Chantix.)

Nicotine and nicotine derivatives are being studied as treatment of Attention Deficit Disorder, Alzheimer's, and several mood disorders (depression, anxiety, schizophrenia). It is suspected that a sizable percentage of smokers are--whether they realize it or not--keeping symptoms of these disorders under control with nicotine. This is called "self-medicating." The FDA-approved drugs for treatment of these problems often have very bad side effects, while the side effects for nicotine (if you get your nicotine without the smoke) are a temporary increase in heart rate and blood pressure.

The symptoms for nicotine withdrawal syndrome look remarkably like the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria for major depressive disorder. Supposedly these symptoms (if they appear at all) subside within a couple of weeks. But there are reports that these symptoms continue unabated indefinitely in a certain percentage of smokers (estimates range from 10% to 20%.)

Ask her if she would be willing to verify that taking the vaccine does not trigger permanent cognitive defects and/or mood disorders. This would not be a direct effect of the vaccine, but a secondary effect due to the fact that the beneficial effects of nicotine would be gone and blocked--perhaps forever. In other words, if the vaccine works well, it will be harmful to an unknown number of patients. If what I suspect will happen actually does happen, what I am going to suggest might help to identify the types of patients for whom the vaccine is contraindicated.

She would need to administer some standard tests to all subjects, and administer the same tests again a couple of weeks after the last dose of the vaccine is administered, and again at least 3 months later--even later if possible.

The tests might include:

The Test of Variables of Attention (T.O.V.A.®) is a computerized test of attention that assists in the screening, diagnosis, and treatment monitoring of attention disorders, like Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). The T.O.V.A. is an objective, neurophysiological measure of attention, not a subjective rating of behavior. It is a 21.6 minute long, very simple "computer game" that measures your responses to either visual or auditory stimuli. These measurements are then compared to the measurements of a group of people without attention disorders who took the T.O.V.A.

A Continuous Performance Task/Test, or CPT, is a psychological test which measures a person's sustained and selective attention and impulsivity. Sustained attention is the ability to maintain a consistent focus on some continuous activity or stimuli, and is associated with impulsivity. Selective attention is the ability to focus on relevant stimuli and ignore competing stimuli. This skill is associated with distractibility.

The Stroop Task is a psychological test of our mental (attentional) vitality and flexibility. The task takes advantage of our ability to read words more quickly and automatically than we can name colors. If a word is printed or displayed in a color different from the color it actually names; for example, if the word "green" is written in blue ink (as shown in the figure to the left) we will say the word "green" more readily than we can name the color in which it is displayed, which in this case is "blue." The cognitive mechanism involved in this task is called directed attention, you have to manage your attention, inhibit or stop one response in order to say or do something else.

The mini–mental state examination (MMSE) or Folstein test is a brief 30-point questionnaire test that is used to screen for cognitive impairment. It is commonly used in medicine to screen for dementia. It is also used to estimate the severity of cognitive impairment at a given point in time and to follow the course of cognitive changes in an individual over time, thus making it an effective way to document an individual's response to treatment.

The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) is one of the most frequently used personality tests in mental health. The test is used by trained professionals to assist in identifying personality structure and psychopathology. Actually, it's a take-home test, but it has over 500 questions so it takes hours to finish. For those interested in learning more about this one, here are some sample questions. https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1109032158

None of these tests is invasive. They are all performance tests. Conducting this testing in conjunction with administration of the vaccine would make her research invaluable.
 

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Personally being someone who suffers with severe depression/anxiety as well as attention issues, I don't think I would be wanting to try this any time soon.. I can barely keep the depression under control with meds and the e-cigs..

I'm with you, Kid. I would not touch this vaccine with a 10-foot Pole, or even a 9-foot Hungarian.

I decided to take a wait and see approach on Chantix because when I read how it works, I suspected it might make depression worse. Now, if I, a lay person can foresee such a possibility, how come all those geniuses with PhD and MD degress never thought of it?
 

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Vaccine suggests an illness. So now we are ill???? LOL!!!! I will stick to vaping. I think it will end up cheaper than a $150 shot. "I didn't" read too much into this shot so "i don't know" how much it will end up being. I do notice now that vaping is getting bigger the government is trying to cash in on it some how.... but at the same time are ignorant about it. Just putting my 2 cents out there. idk.
 

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I think that, if it does turn out to work, that it would be great. However I have some grave concerns over the safety of doing this study. We are talking about more than nicotine here...alot of mental health issues are regulated by nicotine, or am I wrong on that?

You are absolutely right. It's time--long past time--for the tobacco Control Thugs to stop pretending that giving up nicotine is the healthiest thing for 100% of the people. The scientific evidence is overwhelming that there is a sizable percentage of people who become unable to function when forced to give (or talked into giving) up nicotine. Depression alone strikes 10% of quitters. When you throw in all the other disorders that are helped by nicotine and worsened by nicotine abstinence, I would not be surprised if the total is close to 40%.

I suspect that a lot (not all, but a lot) of the serious adverse events reported for Chantix were not a direct effect of the Chantix itself. The Chantix worked too well at achieving abstinence from nicotine and dysfunction set in.

The goal needs to be switched to smoking abstinence instead of focusing so much attention on an "addictive" drug that doesn't impair reasoning, memory, judgement, or motor skills.

OMG - We can't let him use nicotine! He might perform his work better. He might have fewer accidents. Can't have that!
 

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They make drugs to block the receptors in the brain to stop addicts from taking opiates drug name (Subutex) and also use this type of system for other things. It would seem this same type of sublingual pill to dissolve under the tongue to deliver a block to the brains receptors to block the Nicotine seems like a no brainer to me in order to get people off of Nicotine for those who wanted to use it to get off of Nic. Question, why wouldn't all of the Big Pharma companies have been using this for all these years now since this blocking of the receptors type Meds and delivery system has been out ? Is it because they have been making billions with all the other drugs they have been using for treatment ? I mean this has been known now for some years how to block the receptors of the brain in order to get people off of something. Chantex, patches, gums, and all the other stuff could be thrown in the trash years ago if they just used this delivery system a long time ago, why just now all of a sudden ? Just wondering
 

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They make drugs to block the receptors in the brain to stop addicts from taking opiates drug name (Subutex) and also use this type of system for other things. It would seem this same type of sublingual pill to dissolve under the tongue to deliver a block to the brains receptors to block the Nicotine seems like a no brainer to me in order to get people off of Nicotine for those who wanted to use it to get off of Nic. Question, why wouldn't all of the Big Pharma companies have been using this for all these years now since this blocking of the receptors type Meds and delivery system has been out ? Is it because they have been making billions with all the other drugs they have been using for treatment ? I mean this has been known now for some years how to block the receptors of the brain in order to get people off of something. Chantex, patches, gums, and all the other stuff could be thrown in the trash years ago if they just used this delivery system a long time ago, why just now all of a sudden ? Just wondering

Buprenorphine is an opioid that is used to wean people off their addiction to stronger opioids such as morphine, diamorphine (......) and methadone. It is prescribed as a substitute for such drugs. By acting on the same opioid receptors as other opioids, buprenorphine prevents the physical withdrawal symptoms that occur when these drugs are stopped. This prevents physical cravings. Over time, the dose of buprenorhpine is gradually reduced until it can be stopped completely.

They already have that medication for nicotine addiction, only instead of putting it under your tongue, you place it between your gum and cheek. It's called a Commit lozenge. Recently they changed the name to "Nicorette" and it now comes in a nifty smaller size in a dispenser that looks like a lighter. You may have seen the "Quitting Sucks" ads with the shark?
 

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Sheri, I'm with you. They'd have to hold me down, kicking and screaming, to get this vaccine into my body. I sure hope those that sign up for this study truly consider the possible ramifications. Of course, as smart as the Pharma industry is, they may very well screen who they would allow into the study, get the results they need to get it approved then deal with the actuarial issues after the profits roll in. Kind of sounds like Chantix.

Incidentally and OT, one of the women that works where I volunteer has been on Chantix for weeks now and loves it. No side effects thus far, no desire to smoke and no psychological issues. We'll see when she stops meds how ut works out for her.
 

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For any who still believe that the anti-smokers have health in mind in their efforts to eradicate smoking, please consider this. Anti-smokers are clamoring for a ban on menthol just as this study comes out, Menthol cigarettes may pose lower risk, Vanderbilt and Meharry study finds | The Tennessean | tennessean.com Rarely in the history of mankind has there been such an evil movement as the eugenists at anti-smoking. If you question why anti-smokers want a ban on e cigs, ask yourself why these same people cheer RIP cigarettes that are known to have even more chemicals and now want a ban on menthol even though there is evidence that menthol may, in fact, be less dangerous.
 

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Smokeless nicotine use has very little health risks and makes people feel good. Some use has nothing to do the nicotine and everything to do with ritual and habit.

A nicotine vaccine would do nothing to help with my desire to inhale vapor and have the hand/mouth ritual.

If they are worried about the health effects of smoking, they need to stop focusing on the failing campaign against nicotine and get back to worrying how to convince people to stop smoking.
 
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