Obama signs anti-smoking bill

[TropicalBob]

Been posted a hundred times or more. Equally ridiculous each time it's suggested. Let's see, you want the President of the United States to pose with a metal tube hanging from his lips, puffing vapor clouds from a Chinese invention, whose product was made in China and contains uninspected, unregulated liquid of unknown contents? Is that right? You want to take money from American industry, and taxes needed by government for children's health care, and you want to send all that money directly to China. Is that right?

See the problem?

Surf: Sorry, I was writing while you were posting!

 

[Moonlighter]

No doubt. But the FDA's actions seem clear in this regard. They seem to be moving towards formalizing a policy that defines them as drug delivery devices, subject to FDA approval and regulation. I think it's a mistake on their part, but it's going to be a fight to keep them from being classified in that way.




Absolutely. The juice is the issue for sure. There's no way to avoid having it classified as a drug... since it is a drug. By the same token, caffeine is a drug too, and there's no significant FDA regulation going on with it.

I was going to order an ez-quit cigarette and just looked it up and noticed it has mint flavored filters in it and it's shaped like a smoke.



I suppose they will be out of business as well because they don't have FDA stamped approval and they are flavoring the filter inside to be a candy flavor. It could be used as a drug inhaling device.
If the FDA thinks they can outlaw e-cigs and this ez-quit cigarette device, then they will have to outlaw straws too. I think I'm letting my anger out just a tad bit.

My anger is only at the dispair of loosing more of my rights to do as I will with no harm to others.

 

[ladybug]

Actually Bush promised to vetoe this last time it came around in the House...

your right! Bush refused to sign the bill when it came to him when he was president.

 

[TropicalBob]

I have a drawer full of EZ-Quits. They contain no drug. They are of no interest to the FDA or anyone else. They are neat placebo products. Our e-cigs, on the other hand, contain a powerful and addictive drug that we crave. That drug has not been approved in the formulation in which we use it. The FDA is very interested because its mission to safeguard drugs being sold in America. Our new drug needs approval for marketing and sales. It doesn't have it.

And Bush didn't refuse to sign the bill. It never got approval from both houses of Congress. He only made noises. Never had to back up any veto threat.

 

[pspin69]

Your right Bush did start the idiotic bail outs and Obama doesnt want to fix anything so he is following Bush's lead Doesn't sound like CHANGE to me. If you want to look at the facts check out the NY Times article from the Clinton era, that ..... lowered the qualifications for loans and started all this crap in the first place. Clinton started it, Bush did nothing to fix it and Obama is envious and is creating brand new much worse economic problems. Way to go America vote another ..... in. The United Socialist States of America.

Oh, please. G.W. Bush got the ball rolling on the bailouts. Obama didn't put a swift end to them, but frankly, there are few other solutions to the current economic situation. The only other 'option' is to allow a large number of industries to crumble under the weight of their own stupid investment decisions. While this is a perfectly Randian capitalist thing to do, it would result in a more severe recession (depression?) and lengthen the amount of time that it will take for global economies to recover. The U.S. is NOT the only country in the world that's currently pumping cash into its economy to keep heads above water right now, and Obama is not the President Of The World last I checked.

If you want to blame somebody, point the fingers at the fat .......s that initially came up with the brilliant idea of rolling risk laden mortgages into "securities" and telling everyone that they were safer than anything on the market. I also endorse pointing blowguns or angry dogs or laser-beam-shooting-sharks at those twits.

 

[Glock]

-nevermind-

 

[a2dcovert]

We should start directing our energy to helping each other figure out what we can do to get through this mutual problem we have. The point is now what they are going to do and when. The only power the FDA doesn't have is to outlaw tobacco. Outside of that they will be able to do anything else they want to do.

Maybe they will be distracted while they make General Mills miserable. We don't know how far they will go toward controlling the e-cig industry. Maybe they will leave us alone for now. Who knows? There's not much we will be able to do to stop or even slow them down. Lets work together.

Kevin

 

[denec]

We should start directing our energy to helping each other figure out what we can do to get through this mutual problem we have. The point is now what they are going to do and when. The only power the FDA doesn't have is to outlaw tobacco. Outside of that they will be able to do anything else they want to do.

Maybe they will be distracted while they make General Mills miserable. We don't know how far they will go toward controlling the e-cig industry. Maybe they will leave us alone for now. Who knows? There's not much we will be able to do to stop or even slow them down. Lets work together.

Kevin

FDA has a lot of power much more then ever did, if they want to ban these and they can it simple as that


there is not much else to it, hardest part for them is controlling it though customs, but once it gets through customs be hard for them to stop it.

problem will be for US Suppliers they will just go after them next if they want to

 

[ladybug]

wow bull****...I know a handful of republican Presidents who never would have signed it...so stop spouting such lame excuses and stop making up excuses for Obama


For one I know Bush would never have signed it...same goes for Ron Paul and a handful of other Republicans,


Would McCain have signed it? who knows I never considered him a real republican and was disappointed he was the candidate anyway

everyone who voted for it and signed for it is responsible so please stop making excuses....


and btw the only reason i switched to vaping was not because of health reasons was becuase once you get past the initial upfront expense it is cheaper, can smoke anywhere and no lingering bad smell, the taxes here in NYC was killing me $12 a pack is highway robbery


truth is did it give me lung cancer? who the heck knows..i know plenty of people who live to 80 smoking 2 packs a day and never got lung cancer..while other people dropped dead from all sorts of other cancer...i think it all in the genes and I don't worry about the crap

Hey denec,the only reason I gave up smoking was because of obama signing a bill for childrens health care insurance and turning around and adding an extra tax on top of the cigs to pay for it!I thought bull****,ya ain't getting anymore of my money to pay for sombody elses kids!I am just sick and tired of the taxes and here in calif. its bad,very bad! I loved real cigs,but the tax increase was crazy,so I said screw it,quit smoking so I don't have to be angry every time I buy a 7 dollar pack of cigs!

 

[denec]

Hey denec,the only reason I gave up smoking was because of obama signing a bill for childrens health care insurance and turning around and adding an extra tax on top of the cigs to pay for it!I thought bull****,ya ain't getting anymore of my money to pay for sombody elses kids!I am just sick and tired of the taxes and here in calif. its bad,very bad! I loved real cigs,but the tax increase was crazy,so I said screw it,quit smoking so I don't have to be angry every time I buy a 7 dollar pack of cigs!

there are people sometimes selling cigs on street corners in NYC that are either stolen or counterfeit, i have no idea where they get them from it like an underground market for about half price and no taxes


I use to buy it over the internet until NY cracked down on that...and cannot ship

It is actually cheaper to buy marijuana then it is to buy cigs isn't that sad?

 

[breakfastchef]

so what? that means he doesn't deserve to be president,

if he thinks signing a bill is something that is wrong and goes against what he stand for then he should not be president and has no principles...even if he knows it will get passed anyway

Acutally, the premise of the bill is good. Albeit it far from perfect legislation, it has minimal 'tooth' to it and will likely be massaged and changed over the years to fix what is broken. The FDA has a three-year window to get the new division up and running and to come up with an extensive list of things they want to do. Since politics is about gaining and maintaining votes, who in their right mind would not vote for it? Save the kiddies, yea. Consitutents love that stuff.

 

[OutWest]

there are people sometimes selling cigs on street corners in NYC that are either stolen or counterfeit, i have no idea where they get them from it like an underground market for about half price and no taxes

black market tobacco is huge and getting bigger with every tax hike

I use to buy it over the internet until NY cracked down on that...and cannot ship

It is actually cheaper to buy marijuana then it is to buy cigs isn't that sad?

and a huge number of kids smoke marijuana, yet we arent doing anything to reduce those numbers

 

[denec]

Acutally, the premise of the bill is good. Albeit it far from perfect legislation, it has minimal 'tooth' to it and will likely be massaged and changed over the years to fix what is broken. The FDA has a three-year window to get the new division up and running and to come up with an extensive list of things they want to do. Since politics is about gaining and maintaining votes, who in their right mind would not vote for it? Save the kiddies, yea. Consitutents love that stuff.

how about 17 republicans who voted no even though they knew it would still get passed?

there are some in congress no matter how much you lobbied or paid them would never vote for this bill like Ron Paul

 

[kylewinther]

I know!!! Really ridiculous. I am not a pot smoker myself, but If we would just legalize marijuana and tax the hell out of it, we could create a lot of jobs, income for the Government, less crime, etc.

Why do they not realize that, I mean it is not that bad for you, it helps to cure some diseases. I am against smoking it, but for legalizing it!


and a huge number of kids smoke marijuana, yet we arent doing anything to reduce those numbers[/quote]

 

[J W in Texas]

how about 17 republicans who voted no even though they knew it would still get passed?

So, the rest of them voted how? They voted yes? Hmmm...wonder why they did that?8-o

 

[denec]

So, the rest of them voted how? They voted yes? Hmmm...wonder why they did that?8-o

are you referring to repubs? i dont know exact the count of repubs who voted yes... why? i have no idea...need to ask them, or found out their motives

whether purely political because they wanted to look they were saving the children and wanted a vote, or thought it was really a good bill, or got some money somehow...or just went along with it for some other unknown reason, could be many

 

[ladybug]

Somewhat difficult in light of the election here in '00.




Saying that the president "kisses the asses of terrorists" is just inflammatory bull****, especially since Bush shook hands and kissed the cheeks of the leaders of terrorist sponsoring nations throughout his whole presidency. Saudi Arabia, anyone? I guess you forgot where the 9/11 terrorists came from?

Didn't Obama bow down for the prince of Saudi Arabia?

 

[denec]

Didn't Obama bow down for the prince of Saudi Arabia?

yep he did...bowing to a prince is a lot different then shaking hands

not only that but obama and the white house lied and cover it up

and denied ever doing it not realizing it would be on youtube LOL


I do not believe this was just a gesture. Obama does not have the cunning of a good lawyer. He just operates on instinct. This middle aged muslim president of the US democrats was just caught displaying his heart on his sleeve.

Just like he listened and was influenced by his favorite pastor Jeremiah wright for the past 20 years who has connections to Hamas

 

[ladybug]

yep he did...bowing to a prince is a lot different then shaking hands

not only that but obama and the white house lied and cover it up

and denied ever doing it not realizing it would be on youtube LOL


I do not believe this was just a gesture. Obama does not have the cunning of a good lawyer. He just operates on instinct. This middle aged muslim president of the US democrats was just caught displaying his heart on his sleeve.

Just like he listened and was influenced by his favorite pastor Jeremiah wright for the past 20 years who has connections to Hamas

I saw it on youtube also,he for sure bowed down,if it was not a bow down than it had to be a shoe inspection!LOL! Did you hear the latest thing that jerk paster wright had to say? He said the jews were keeping Obama away from him,and he will not be able to talk to Obama untill Obama is out of office!

 

[ladybug]

I have a drawer full of EZ-Quits. They contain no drug. They are of no interest to the FDA or anyone else. They are neat placebo products. Our e-cigs, on the other hand, contain a powerful and addictive drug that we crave. That drug has not been approved in the formulation in which we use it. The FDA is very interested because its mission to safeguard drugs being sold in America. Our new drug needs approval for marketing and sales. It doesn't have it.

And Bush didn't refuse to sign the bill. It never got approval from both houses of Congress. He only made noises. Never had to back up any veto threat.

Bush did refuse to sign the bill, but obama took care of that by signing the bill.