Odysseus official

[CaptSteve]

You have every right to express your opinion however I think that Imeo is truly unique in his approach towards his customers. I cannot think of any other manufacturer who takes the time to be so actively involved with his customers. I personally don't know how the guy manages to do what he does and at the same time be on the forum all the time, get feedback, ask what people want and constantly gauge how happy his customers are. I think the cult following he has is partially for the above reason.
As far as product reliability I think they are rock solid. The few leak issues with Ody's arose from people not putting them together correctly or perhaps a very small number of manufacturing issues. However Imeo has taken the time to make lengthy videos to show people how to assemble and has clearly stated that any product that has manufacturing issues will be replaced as it's covered by guarantee.
Now on the issue of the price for his products I would like to say that for what we get the price is very very reasonable. We're not talking of mass produced, off the assembly line products. We're talking top quality materials made in a small CNC workshop (see youtube vid) in limited quantities.
Frankly I thank Imeo for what he makes but above all for who he is and how he treats people.
If it was someone else, GG's would be mass produced and cost a lot more with much lesser quality.
However as I said I respect your opinion but I don't accept it
Steve

 

[want to quit]

Don't get me wrong I don't mind paying a lot of money if I know that everything is 100% tested and without issues. Also I agree with you on Imeos involvement with the customers which you rarely see with other vendors.

The point I try to make is, if I buy a Audi I'll most likely not receive an email from the maker some weeks later telling me that they found issues. Issues cannot happen when spending more for a atty than any PV things like these have to be tested and sorted out before bringing the product to the customer.

I want to make sure that there is no misunderstanding, I like Imeo he takes great care of everyone, I like the concept of his ideas, the only thing I have to mention that is negative would be the fact that the products are not tested enough. I am sure that (if I read correctly) the penelope will be released without much testing and pros such as you Capt will not have a problem but people like me and many others will have issues, and I am sure there will also be a small product issue for which Imeo finds a solution, again though in MY opinion once a vendor asks for $300+ I can expect the product to be 100% flawless.

 

[CaptSteve]

want to quit,
If I understand you correctly your main issue is quality control or the fact that "people like you" may have a problem? You touched on two different issues.
A) Quality Control
B) Experience Level

Quality control is a very simple issue, it's covered by warrantee. if something has a manufacturing flaw it will be replaced

Experience level is a different issue all together. If you have a look at COV site for example it states that "these are advanced user products". The fact that you pay $300+ lets say does not mean they are made for anyone to use.

The most important issue is that Imeo takes the time to teach people and talk to them one-on-one if necessary to solve their problem. There is no issue of testing here, it's a case of learning how to properly use the GG products. take the UFS, a fantastic product but very difficult to fine tune and learn. That doesn't make it flawed.

Steve

 

[gredie]

if I buy a Audi I'll most likely not receive an email from the maker some weeks later telling me that they found issues.

Bad example. The last recal action of Audis was in January
I never heard about a recall of GG's

 

[want to quit]

Correct sir I should not make it as confusing you are right though with the experience level, however, a couple of weeks ago Imeo noticed a weird taste while vaping and found the issue right away if I remember correctly. With throughout testing of the unit things like these should have been found in the test runs rather than after the release.

again though I love imeo and I love the fact that the ody is really everything I was looking for when it comes to vaping I just sold it because it was too much of a airy draw on my PVS and my juice tasted odd (ceramic cup was cleaned).

Now as it looks he will release a better version of the ody (correct me if I am wrong please) (penelope) which will cost a bunch of money and I will spent it but if I notice an issue that has nothing to do with user error I will sell it right away. I just hope that the units he releases are tested to the smallest issue that once it hits the stores we can rest assure that there are no nasty surprises that is all.

 

[want to quit]

Bad example. The last recal action of Audis was in January
I never heard about a recall of GG's

lol good one Gredie good one.

 

[MrKrinkle]

Im sorry you had trouble with your ODY Monkey but I for example use my ODY with short wick XC-116 I posted a thread about it called using Nextel XC-116 without modding the ceramic and have been using this method since the 2nd day I owned my ODY and have never had any issue at all... maybe Im lucky maybe I got skillz who knows but either way IMO the ODY isnt flawed in any way and feel that most issues are from user error... sure some machining mistakes may occur but thats just murphys law... as far as flavor issues were concerned the ceramic itself is made not by Imeo himself but outsourced and if memory serves this was the cause of 90% of the ODY issues and was quickly resolved.... bottom line is Im sorry it didnt suit you but why the heck didnt you sell it to me at a great price then???

 

[gredie]

My two ceramics never had a bad taste even when new. This issue didn't appear at all ceramic parts and it's near to impossible to test thousand Odysseus before selling, and some people want their devices brand new.

For the airy draw, you should have tested the Odysseus with an GGTS.

As I know Imeo, he is testing his products a couple of weeks 24/7 before he starts a production run. He is very critical to himself and if he is not 100% happy with it he don't make it an official product.

 

[Torqueguy]

I feel the need to make this post even if it may make some people upset, however, this is a forum where everyone should be able to mention their opinions.

I never in my vaping life spent as much money on something as I did on the Ody. Soon after I sold it, not due to the performance but rather because It works better on a GG which I do not posses.

I still tried to follow this thread to see updates and arising issues with the ody which brings me right to the point. In my honest opinion (again correct me if I am mistaken) I think Imeo should beta test his products way longer before sending them out for sale. Every time he releases something it costs a whole bunch of money and ends up having difficulties. He never tries to hide it or anything which is good, however, if the maker himself finds issues left and right that shows me there isn't enough testing before sending it out for sale.

Things like that result in me being scared to ever buy something NEWLY released from him because I can just not trust the unit enough hance to the history of previous rebuildable attys.

Again I don't want to say anything that isn't true but this is my personal observation and I felt the need to mention it as a customer should trust the maker of a car, house, sex supplies and if that isn't given it makes it hard for ME to purchase something with such a high price tag.

I usually don't opine on comments like this because I feel everybody is subject to having an opinion themselves. I do think however that you don't fully grasp the vaping situation. If you want cheap and foolproof, by all means go buy some Chinese junk. The GG is really cutting edge technoloy since vaping is only been going on for 5~8 years at the most. Imeo is a creative genius that is creating something from nothing. That's hard to do. He struggled to get the Ody out for Christmas. It worked like a charm right out of the gate. Yes, some of us had some leakage and not all of us have the dexterity or natural ability to wrap our own coils. Most of us do. Yes, the GG stuff is expensive but only compared to other ecigg stuff, mostly junk and usually from China. Given the fact that we can all vote with our money, if you don't like GG stuff, why do you buy it? Why do you say you're scared to buy something new from him? Has Imeo ripped you off? Did he sell you something that did not work well if you followed the directions? I've had and old Aluminum GGTS that I cross threaded. I contacted Imeo about what I could do and he had a new part on my way through Bruce by the end of that day, no charge incidently, and I openly admitted up front I screwed the thing in wrong. Do you think the Chinese will do that??? What other rebuildables have you tried that you say this one can't be trusted? I have tried just about all of them, they all require dexterity and fidgeting, that's because this is something completely new. These things didn't exist a few years ago, it's all new technology and we're all figuring it out as we go along. That is the fun of it.
Sorry you've had a bad experience and if I sound like a fan boy, forgive me. it's just that I don't view the GG products as an expense, I view them as an investment, with the profitability payoff in adding years to my life so I tend to get a little over zealous.
Enjoy the Chinese stuff. It's pretty good, it's cheap, and you know exactly what you're getting

 

[rwechsler]

Very interesting points want to quit, and I genuinely applauds you for expressing your opinions from the most objective and constructive point of view. Everyone who trolls this subform and all teh internets as a whole could learn a lot from you.

From what I've observed, the issue here stems from the fact that most of us who love our GGs put a lot of pressure on Imeo to release new items quickly, and often well ahead of when Imeo originally planned the release. Take the first run of Odys for example...Imeo ended up releasing just short mode on its own a full month before the extension kit came out. If he had spent the month in between those two releases beta testing Ody and re-machining what needed to be corrected, as well as getting user feedback from beta testers in a locked/limited access public forum (normal users can read only, only testers and Imeo can post), I know that there would have been far fewer issues with Ody.

Personally, I love the fact that Ody can be a bittch to master because I enjoy the process of tinkering, experimenting, and trouble-shooting, and I think that's what makes it, and most other products by Imeo, so great! If I was content with my pv performing just OK and work right outta the box, I'd get a shtty 3-piece 510 setup. But I want huge clouds, bangin flavor, and enough throat hit to melt an infants face, so the price for that is the hours of work I put in on a pretty much daily basis to make sure my gear is always in tip top shape and working exactly how I want it to.

Anyways, sorry for the rant, just trying to get my thoughts out to see if anyone else relates. But if you're posting here...than I'm guessing most of you will!

 

[Poppa D]

I think what he's getting at is the UFS v2 was the UFS with the extra top tank adaptability, and carto cap, hence slightly improved, now discontinued. But the v1 was %100 until adding the iAtty, requiring the extra tank top.
The iAtty worked the same, until the Odysseus multi-tank hit the market.

Now people like to modify their GG products, but usually they only modify the very cheap parts (ceramics), orings so on.

The only time I've seen any real problems were the early SS GGTS top tubes, and extensions, Imeo replaced these parts right away.

Imeo knocks his products out of the ball park every time, he's the home run king. He creates, produces, invests, all at his risk and expense, gambling on our response to his next device. He has a lot more to lose if he strikes and misses.

 

[want to quit]

Thanks for all the input and again the first imeo thing I ever owned was the iatty and than the ody I don't even own a GG. As Poppa said though that is what I am trying to get at there was the UFS and shortly after the V2 than iatty than ody now penelope it feels like I throw money out the window every time he discontinuous something and releases something else that I of course have to buy than.

I want to emphasis that I am not " bashing" on imeo and his customer service or quality of products all I personally feel is that once he completed a great device it goes out for sale and soon after he himself notices smaller things that could be improved and Boom before you see there is a newer version and the other will be discontinued.

For GG fans that is ok but for people that are not a standard customer it makes me a bit uncomfortable to purchase any "new" version. Almost like Apple I am not sure if I should buy the ipad 3 since a new version comes out right away anyways.

Thanks for not taking my comments as an insult it's just my opinion and I don't mind to be corrected in anything I say.

 

[want to quit]

That is exactly my point sir. For $300-$400 you have to expect a 100% perfect and amazing vaping unit I never said I use or want cheap china made things. The point is I buy a ody for $400 soon after imeo notices smaller improves and comes out discontinuous one item and releases a newer version.

I just don't like it and it should not be like that. This way I personally (again ME) don't even feel confident with a purchase I make because I have to fear that a better and improved version will come 3 month later.

I also never ever said I don't trust imeo nor his products I also never said I compare any of his items with China made product the only thing I said was what I mentioned above.

I usually don't opine on comments like this because I feel everybody is subject to having an opinion themselves. I do think however that you don't fully grasp the vaping situation. If you want cheap and foolproof, by all means go buy some Chinese junk. The GG is really cutting edge technoloy since vaping is only been going on for 5~8 years at the most. Imeo is a creative genius that is creating something from nothing. That's hard to do. He struggled to get the Ody out for Christmas. It worked like a charm right out of the gate. Yes, some of us had some leakage and not all of us have the dexterity or natural ability to wrap our own coils. Most of us do. Yes, the GG stuff is expensive but only compared to other ecigg stuff, mostly junk and usually from China. Given the fact that we can all vote with our money, if you don't like GG stuff, why do you buy it? Why do you say you're scared to buy something new from him? Has Imeo ripped you off? Did he sell you something that did not work well if you followed the directions? I've had and old Aluminum GGTS that I cross threaded. I contacted Imeo about what I could do and he had a new part on my way through Bruce by the end of that day, no charge incidently, and I openly admitted up front I screwed the thing in wrong. Do you think the Chinese will do that??? What other rebuildables have you tried that you say this one can't be trusted? I have tried just about all of them, they all require dexterity and fidgeting, that's because this is something completely new. These things didn't exist a few years ago, it's all new technology and we're all figuring it out as we go along. That is the fun of it.
Sorry you've had a bad experience and if I sound like a fan boy, forgive me. it's just that I don't view the GG products as an expense, I view them as an investment, with the profitability payoff in adding years to my life so I tend to get a little over zealous.
Enjoy the Chinese stuff. It's pretty good, it's cheap, and you know exactly what you're getting

 

[Poppa D]

Imeo has said it many times, "there's nothing wrong with your GG, I just came up with a better idea". I have many discontinued GG items, that I have replaced with new GG items, but the "old" items still work just fine.

You don't have to buy the newest if your happy with what you have right now.
But if you think your going to want it, you'd better get it while you can, or forever have your regrets.

 

[Huffelpuff]

What problems did you have with ur ody? Just curious. Everything Ive tried that's gg has amazed me. Love the iatty1 even though its not the newest out there and am thinking of getting ody.

 

[CaptSteve]

want to quit,
I too bought a new car a while ago and paid a hell lot more than $300-$400 and guess what the manufacturer came up with a new model that's got new features. What are you saying, that since you paid $300 Imeo should not come up with a new model with improved features anytime soon? C'mon now that line of thought is totally unreasonable.
New cell phone models are out before you take your new one home and take it out of the box.
If you're having problems with your GG (whatever it is) this is why this community is great we all help each other out and I'm sure anyone here would be more than willing to help you. I'm sure that if you use your Ody more and with the help of video tutorials and some reading up here on the forums and advise you'll come to both love it and appreciate how much better it is than anything else out there.
It truly is not an issue of beta testing or new versions coming out. As Huffelpuff said the iAtty 1 which is an old model still provides many people endless vape enjoyment.

If there is anyway I can help you with to get you to enjoy and learn how to properly use your GG products please PM me and I'll sit with you even on Skype if you like and show you what to do.

Steve

That is exactly my point sir. For $300-$400 you have to expect a 100% perfect and amazing vaping unit I never said I use or want cheap china made things. The point is I buy a ody for $400 soon after imeo notices smaller improves and comes out discontinuous one item and releases a newer version.

I just don't like it and it should not be like that. This way I personally (again ME) don't even feel confident with a purchase I make because I have to fear that a better and improved version will come 3 month later.

I also never ever said I don't trust imeo nor his products I also never said I compare any of his items with China made product the only thing I said was what I mentioned above.

 

[rwechsler]

Imeo has said it many times, "there's nothing wrong with your GG, I just came up with a better idea". I have many discontinued GG items, that I have replaced with new GG items, but the "old" items still work just fine.

You don't have to buy the newest if your happy with what you have right now.
But if you think your going to want it, you'd better get it while you can, or forever have your regrets.

I feel you 100%.
I'd even take that 1 step further and say that I PREFER my discontinued mods to the newest updates. If I want a 6+ml atty tank, I'm sure as hell going to reach for one of my UFSs over my full mode, or even huge mode, 510 atty Odysseus. I also almost always run one of my Ody's in a UFS, and I also consistently vape my AVS+Patriot.

 

[SAX]

Heck, I will go one more...I am just trying to get a hold of a GGTB, (how old are those) look at it this way they all have a different "VIBE" I think I LOVE them ALL

 

[rwechsler]

Heck, I will go one more...I am just trying to get a hold of a GGTB, (how old are those) look at it this way they all have a different "VIBE" I think I LOVE them ALL

Word! My TB is by far my favorite mod I own. It's not the "best" mod I have, like it doesn't work with GGTS native devices, it doesn't have air control (PLEASE MAKE THIS IMEO!!!), it won't fit 18mm batts, and it isn't compatible with the Kick, I can't seem to put it down. Between its slim feel, ergonomically and elegantly placed, sized, and looking button, adaptability with the fuse upgrade (yep, you read that right ), and the fact that it's one of the lowest profile yet highest quality 6v tube mods in the game right now, it's a pretty sweet mod!

 

[Huffelpuff]

I absolutely adore my Rev. 1 GG. It's like SSGTS's crusty 'ol grandpa and still churns out some very nice vapor. Love my iAtty1 too. Very happy that I can add/swap/replace to suit my desires if and when I want to in the future in stead of scrapping the whole set up.