Official ProVari Radius Thread

[RebelGolfer72]

No offense taken, it's a civil discussion. And while your order of distribution may indeed be correct , the numbers ARE way askew. The high power vaper is SO far removed from the "conversion point' where I personally focus my efforts, that including them in my design process would only increase my sales by 1%. I can't speak to how it would effect ProVapes numbers, they, for obvious reasons, need to keep their market intel private, just as I need to as well.

But with that being said... MY focus is to make high quality devices for people that are at the conversion point of Smoking and vaping... to offer intuitive and easy to use devices for people that are JUST starting vaping (bypassing the ego stage) or for people looking to move into higher quality devices than the ego devices they are currently using. I am specifically NOT designing products that are aimed towards advanced users... In essence, I'm hoping to head them off at the pass with a product that meets their needs, as long as their need is to get off, and stay off combustible tobacco.

There are billions of smokers, and millions of Ego users... I believe by focusing on THOSE points of conversion, I have positioned myself to help the LARGEST number of users, and therefore the largest segment of the market.

With all due respect, a super advanced user is not where I focus my efforts. The good news for super advanced users is... there are quite literally thousands of options available for those users. Some from companies smaller than mine, some from much bigger (offshore). I don't "intentionally" alienate high power vapers... But I rarely take into consideration the needs of that end of the market.

I hope this makes sense...

I understand and respect your target group. When I was building guitar amps, I tended toward more vintage style voicing support, but with modern reliability improvements and features that many had modded into,their old gear as standard fare in my product. I didn't cater to the high gain market, as there were many already doing that and with more experience than me at it..But I did have more gain on tap than most other vintage voiced designs. I did what I knew best, as it was what I could ensure the best product.

As for your Kabuki tank, if you ever decide to expand a bit and make a version to,take Atlantis style coils (or like the Triton, they have the open, subohm coils as well as a Nautilus style coil in the Atlantis framework), I will be the first in line to buy one.

 

[Zen~]

So the question rises.....why are some SO against the mere possibility of a provari that meets the needs of a larger cross section of vapers?

I really don't think anybody is against a 50 watt mod... I have not seen people say I would NEVER buy that, just as some have said they will never buy it if it's NOT at least 50 watts... they have said they don't NEED it and I have gone so far as to say I'm unwilling to pay for much more power than I need. Some others feel that way as well.

BUT, my personal thing with the 50w "request" that you have been hammering into this thread with amazing tenacity is that I cannot see how ProVape will produce a 50w mod on a single 650 battery that maintains the same amount of headroom, thus safety and reliability, to which we have grown accustomed. I simply cannot see that happening.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong, heck, I hope for your sake I am... but I doubt it. I cannot see them taking an about face on this one, because that would be way out of character. And I seriously doubt they are going to raise their amp limit thus lowering the overhead and margin of safety just because a few engineers in this thread tell them it will (or should) be safe.

As for your Kabuki tank, if you ever decide to expand a bit and make a version to,take Atlantis style coils (or like the Triton, they have the open, subohm coils as well as a Nautilus style coil in the Atlantis framework), I will be the first in line to buy one.

We do extensive double-blind testing before deciding on a form factor, and the Atlantis coil didn't pass muster in the flavor department. Not one user picked it as having a superior flavor over the Nautilus in hundreds of tests. I also tested the Triton when it came out with similar results. When people cannot see and do not know what they are vaping, the Nautilus coil wins. It is very unlikely that I'll be making a tank that uses either of those coils.

 

[USMCotaku]

I think a little matter of phrasing and interpretation is causing some of the conflict.
See, I don't think folks who vape under 10 watts really HOPE that others DON'T like a new ProVape model...it's just that they are excited that FINALLY, maybe, a device has been designed with them in mind.
New mods, for a while, have been ALL about higher and higher power. And Temp Control. Nothing shiny and new for a 10-watt vaper to get excited about.
But ProVape has always been a leader in OTHER ways. Remember - for a while, when 1-2-3 ohms was common, there was NOTHING that vaped as well as a ProVari. I didn't believe it til I bought one - but there was a noticeable difference.

So, assuming that the MAIN FEATURES of the Radius are things OTHER than high power, the lower power vapers are just excited.
A better menu?
A better form factor?
A little box that looks good, but you can hammer in a nail with it?
Who knows what else they may have developed? - but again, the hope is that it's something that was developed with the kind of vaping they do in mind.

So I'm sure if someone only needs 15 watts, but you want 50, they're not going to be unhappy that you're happy if it comes out and goes 50 watts. They are being defensive because NO ONE has DESIGNED A MOD that had anything new for them in quite a while, and they want this to be it.
They want the exciting stuff to NOT be higher watts, but to be a new better experience at 10 watts.
A new mod with ProVape features like durability, reliability, great design and machining, etc...
If the power limit isn't secondary, their fear it'll be "just another hiwatt box".

Make sense?

(I just hope it'll fire at around 0.4. That'll work for me.)

What's to stop it from being both? I've never used a mod that vapes great at high power but crappy at low power, or vise versa......they pretty much vape the same across the spectrum.

So couldn't they make a.mod that both types of vapers could be excited about?

This is part of the problem, as I see it..........the belief that companies are ignoring low wattage vapers. That's BS.......look at how many mods will now buck all the way down to 1 watt.........who is that for, if not low power vapers? Again....it comes off as wanting to keep provari for low wattage vapers ONLY. When most of the higher power devices now cater to both.

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[coldgin96]

I understand your view point, and have NEVER been disparaging towards it, or the rootless puff style....I myself enjoy tootling now and then. But you have to admit....how many borderline snarks (and a few outright snark) came the second someone mentioned (gasp) 50 watts? It just gets so tiring.
Could provape make a safe dependable 50 watt mod? Of course. Would that mod tootle puff just as well? Of course, I wouldn't imagine provape would alienate their longest customers by creating a mod incapable of down regulating. So the question rises.....why are some SO against the mere possibility of a provari that meets the needs of a larger cross section of vapers?

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If the Radius doesn't hit 50 watts it'll be because it can't be done in ProVape's margin of ultimate safety using one battery.

 

[Train2]

Vintage voice and high gain?

I never actually got a boogie. I have a marshall half-stack. It's meh.
I can get fantastic tone, but it's more despite the amp than due to it.
My 2 guitars - now they are special.

I understand and respect your target group. When I was building guitar amps, I tended toward more vintage style voicing support, but with modern reliability improvements and features that many had modded into,their old gear as standard fare in my product. I didn't cater to the high gain market, as there were many already doing that and with more experience than me at it..But I did have more gain on tap than most other vintage voiced designs. I did what I knew best, as it was what I could ensure the best product.

As for your Kabuki tank, if you ever decide to expand a bit and make a version to,take Atlantis style coils (or like the Triton, they have the open, subohm coils as well as a Nautilus style coil in the Atlantis framework), I will be the first in line to buy one.

 

[USMCotaku]

I really don't think anybody is against a 50 watt mod... I have not seen people say I would NEVER buy that, just as some have said they will never buy it if it's NOT at least 50 watts... they have said they don't NEED it and I have gone so far as to say I'm unwilling to pay for much more power than I need. Some others feel that way as well.

BUT, my personal thing with the 50w "request" that you have been hammering into this thread with amazing tenacity is that I cannot see how ProVape will produce a 50w mod on a single 650 battery that maintains the same amount of headroom, thus safety and reliability, to which we have grown accustomed. I simply cannot see that happening.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong, heck, I hope for your sake I am... but I doubt it. I cannot see them taking an about face on this one, because that would be way out of character. And I seriously doubt they are going to raise their amp limit thus lowering the overhead and margin of safety just because a few engineers in this thread tell them it will (or should) be safe.


We do extensive double-blind testing before deciding on a form factor, and the Atlantis coil didn't pass muster in the flavor department. Not one user picked it as having a superior flavor over the Nautilus in hundreds of tests. I also tested the Triton when it came out with similar results. When people cannot see and do not know what they are vaping, the Nautilus coil wins. It is very unlikely that I'll be making a tank that uses either of those coils.

My tenacity has been no more prevalent then that of the other side of the coin

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

 

[kates]

Ive never understood how some of the lower wattage users cannot just kick the wattage down. I run the sxm low, the DNA's low and most other newer boards will also run in lower parameters fine.
A 75w, 100w or 150w mod does not mean you have to run them wide open. Outside of trying it, just to say i did, I've never run my higher wattage mod's full bore.
Is it that some people want a mod company to make products for their style of vaping exclusively? wouldn't that deny the company income from other users via limiting their market? If so,Why would that be a good thing? I would think that people who love a company would want to see them appeal to broader audience.

I don't buy really high watt mods partly because I'm not convinced of their safety and because my provaris already give me everything that I need along with reliability etc. so it would be a bit of a waste of money. I might as well get another provari - and a new design provape mod is very exciting! Variety and all that. I suppose provape is my safety benchmark - so if they come out with a 200w model and I like the way it looks and can afford it I will buy one and happily run it at less than 5% of it's capacity. I don't know what the final figure will be - I hope it gives everyone everything they want - but it's not the user limiting their current wattage it's provape. Most users want something to suit their vaping style - anything else is an extra not a necessity - so people may not CARE if provape makes a 30+ mod but that isn't the same as objecting to it. I also believe the radius will have the highest watts provape feel they can provide given their safety parameters.

 

[Zen~]

My tenacity has been no more prevalent then that of the other side of the coin

It was a compliment, not an insult.

 

[The Ocelot]

latent castration anxiety...............lol

[Note: The eVic does not actually spurt.]

 

[Zen~]

look at how many mods will now buck all the way down to 1 watt.........who is that for, if not low power vapers?

Name a few that are not cheap imported devices, or elitist boutique mods, please.

 

[USMCotaku]

If the Radius doesn't hit 50 watts it'll be because it can't be done in ProVape's margin of ultimate safety using one battery.

I'm not uber set on 50 watts tbh....I most often vape in the 30-35 watt range, for most of my set ups (I have 2 mods that will hit 200+, they have never been used that high). 50 watts was just the line drawn in the sand by others, so I went with it......I'd be happy at 40.

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[Zen~]

I'm not uber set on 50 watts tbh....I most often vape in the 30-35 watt range, for most of my set ups (I have 2 mods that will hit 200+, they have never been used that high). 50 watts was just the line drawn in the sand by others, so I went with it......I'd be happy at 40.

Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping

I truly believe 40 watts is right there in the safe zone, based on using high quality cells. Will they go that high? I guess we'll know soon!

 

[Zen~]

Good Night, all you Radius Speculators!

 

[USMCotaku]

I'm currently using my 260 watt variant at 20 watts.......the 2s Lipo pack lasts for days...even at only 900 mAh [emoji14]

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[RebelGolfer72]

Vintage voice and high gain?

I never actually got a boogie. I have a marshall half-stack. It's meh.
I can get fantastic tone, but it's more despite the amp than due to it.
My 2 guitars - now they are special.

I've always found boogies to be a little too 'spensive for my taste...and they do high gain well, but the low end is a bit too loose for my liking-- and I could never bring myself to buy a $3k amp and then mod it. Always more of a vintage Marshall fan myself, and found the keys to getting every one to sound like one of the good ones...but a Vox AC30 (non-top boost) would be my "desert island amp"... And I can work almost any amp into giving me a good tone...but I'm also, like you spoiled by my guitars....in fact, 2 of my guitars are just that special to me that well.....put it this way, in the "lifeboat game", I would probably throw my kids overboard before these guitars (ok, not really, but they are almost that irreplaceable)

 

[Ipster]

Or just stupid looking stuff. When I brought home an eVic Supreme and original Delta tank, the one with the enema nozzle drip tip, my wife died laughing, and asked me, "Does that thing go in your mouth or up your... " Killed it for me. I bet I never vaped more than two tanks.

LMAO!
Thanks needed that diversion from manic monday around the bend.

 

[Katdarling]

I'm just so freaking excited about this. Is that so wrong?

Not in the SLIGHTEST. It's just a different side of you I'd not seen before, and I find it adorable.

Remember the fad of.putting LED lights inside your tank?
No stealth vape there

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For those times you just NEED a non-stealth vape...

 

[USMCotaku]

It was a compliment, not an insult.

I wasn't insulted.....I hoped the emoji would portray that.

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[BrentMydland]

So I read the first couple of pages but didn't see anything so can someone tell me what if any info has been released yet without me having to sift through the huge amount of posts already itt and get me up to speed? Thanks.

 

[stevegmu]

Explanation insufficient, since the comment was directed at me, in an obvious inflammatory manner.

I've always been in the camp of wanting a provari, but only when they make one that fits my vape style. The radius just might be the one, sorry that seems to bother you so much you feel the need to post snark at me. Then, you have always been in the camp of provape will never make a mod for vape styles outside of yours, so maybe this is shaking your world view a bit......

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You are always saying ProVari are overpriced and underpowered. You would buy a 35 watt Radius for $280??