Ice is extremely pure. The more pure the nic is, the longer it keeps. But cold will preserve all nics longer than at room temp.
Ok guys need a bit of help once again. Nic storage without a freezer.
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Ice is extremely pure. The more pure the nic is, the longer it keeps. But cold will preserve all nics longer than at room temp.
Incredible info guys. This definitely helps. Have I told you all lately that I love ya! Lol..
When I do buy the 500ml 100mg should it be vg or pg based?
Oh and I just did some rough math. With that 500 ml I should be able to make roughly 139 30 ml batches of unflavored. Talk about vaping for pennies!
When I do buy the 500ml 100mg should it be vg or pg based?
Oh and I just did some rough math. With that 500 ml I should be able to make roughly 139 30 ml batches of unflavored. Talk about vaping for pennies!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce you to our resident chemist. Everything I think I know about nic base
I learned from Kurt. Thank you Kurt, for your years of insight, and my apologies if I ever end(ed) up giving out the wrong info. It has/had nothing to do with your teachings and everything to do with my warped noggin.
Depends on what sort of liquids you want to make, but VG-nic tends to store better than PG-nic since it is thicker. Molecules just can't get around as easily to react with O2. Sets up like glue in the freezer. PG stays pretty liquid. I have several different nics from different sources, and VG-nic always remains unchanged. I have some that are 3.5 years old still as fresh as the day I got them. PG-nic really depends on the purity of the nic. Some PG-nics that were very pure also remained unchanged, some went orange from oxidation...but turned into a delightful tobacco liquid in flavor. I think much of what we like in the taste of tobacco is from nicotine oxides. But its not for everyone. Takes very little oxidation to strongly color a nic-base. I doubt the nic content changed more than a few percent.
If I make a 12 mg juice, 30 mL, I will only use 3.6 mL of nic base, so it hardly matters if the base is PG or VG...that is if I don't have a PG aversion...but I do so I only use VG nic. Plus the certainty that it will store virtually forever in the freezer.
@StormFinch: Thank you so much, you sexy-birdie-genie-thing!
Better vaping through chemistry! If I could get you to introduce me to my students, perhaps they would actually listen to me!
Kurt thanks for the great explanation. My mixes are usually 12mg 60/40 pg/vg so vg as base would work fine.
I plan on getting gallons of pg and vg from that essentials place. Hopefully they stay fine in the jugs lol.
I plan on getting gallons of pg and vg from that essentials place. Hopefully they stay fine in the jugs lol.
Depends on what sort of liquids you want to make, but VG-nic tends to store better than PG-nic since it is thicker. Molecules just can't get around as easily to react with O2. Sets up like glue in the freezer. PG stays pretty liquid. I have several different nics from different sources, and VG-nic always remains unchanged. I have some that are 3.5 years old still as fresh as the day I got them. PG-nic really depends on the purity of the nic. Some PG-nics that were very pure also remained unchanged, some went orange from oxidation...but turned into a delightful tobacco liquid in flavor. I think much of what we like in the taste of tobacco is from nicotine oxides. But its not for everyone. Takes very little oxidation to strongly color a nic-base. I doubt the nic content changed more than a few percent.
If I make a 12 mg juice, 30 mL, I will only use 3.6 mL of nic base, so it hardly matters if the base is PG or VG...that is if I don't have a PG aversion...but I do so I only use VG nic. Plus the certainty that it will store virtually forever in the freezer.
@StormFinch: Thank you so much, you sexy-birdie-genie-thing!
Awww, I love you too Kurt!
Now see, I just learned something else! However, since I'm a creature of habit and when I started DIYing there wasn't such a thing as VG nic base, I have a long term supply of PG base. Ah well, at least I have it in the freezer and enjoy the flavor of nic oxidation.
As the nic gets old what's the worse oxidation can do?
I was under the assumption all this freezing and safeguards were to keep us from getting actually sick. Like the nic would become poisonous like spoiled food. Please pardon my ignorance.
I never thought about all this when I started vaping. Ever since the "deeming regulation" came out I've been concerned.
I was under the assumption all this freezing and safeguards were to keep us from getting actually sick. Like the nic would become poisonous like spoiled food. Please pardon my ignorance.
I never thought about all this when I started vaping. Ever since the "deeming regulation" came out I've been concerned.
As Kurt said, oxidized nic turns dark or orange, has a stronger taste, possibly a bit tobacco-y, and gets a distinctive, almost lemon scented bug killer smell to it. It also starts losing strength, but slowly and gradually. As far as I know, unadulterated base doesn't go "bad" in the sense of food, though mixed juices can. Kurt would have to confirm this however because I'm not 100% positive.
No, I haven't.
I have a cousin that comes over and tries to mooch juice from me. It's not like he can't afford it, but he's super cheap. I'm tempted to make some for him using this nicotine.
j/k I'll try it first. I thought about just throwing it away but I'm tempted to save it with all my zombie apocalypse stuff- all the e-liquids I sort of hate. I'd have felt better about it if I had at least transferred it to a glass bottle.
Thank you for the quick response. I was worried it would be toxic lol. I feel more confident now in the long term storage wise. I hate the fda.
No, I haven't.
I have a cousin that comes over and tries to mooch juice from me. It's not like he can't afford it, but he's super cheap. I'm tempted to make some for him using this nicotine.
j/k I'll try it first. I thought about just throwing it away but I'm tempted to save it with all my zombie apocalypse stuff- all the e-liquids I sort of hate. I'd have felt better about it if I had at least transferred it to a glass bottle.
Lmao @ your moocher cousin.
Please let us know how good, or bad it is lol
No, I haven't.
I have a cousin that comes over and tries to mooch juice from me. It's not like he can't afford it, but he's super cheap. I'm tempted to make some for him using this nicotine.
j/k I'll try it first. I thought about just throwing it away but I'm tempted to save it with all my zombie apocalypse stuff- all the e-liquids I sort of hate. I'd have felt better about it if I had at least transferred it to a glass bottle.
Lmao @ your moocher cousin.
Please let us know how good, or bad it is lol
Oh no!!!
I'm one 500ml bottle short if I order another 500ml of base from wizard labs. I did a Google search and couldn't find where I could buy one with a cap like these or similar. I'm bad at Google. Anyone can help me find a site that sells individual ones, blue or brown?
I'm one 500ml bottle short if I order another 500ml of base from wizard labs. I did a Google search and couldn't find where I could buy one with a cap like these or similar. I'm bad at Google. Anyone can help me find a site that sells individual ones, blue or brown?
The place I sent you will, but the shipping would be the same. Ouch! Try Amazon, I've seen quite a few bottles listed there. Look for whatever ounce boston round and they should come up.
Depending on what size, Wizard Labs might carry what your looking for too. I take that back, Wizard only sells up to 60 ml bostons.
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I'll try Amazon and see what wizard's has.
Oh and thanks for reccomending them again. It should be here Friday
Oh and thanks for reccomending them again. It should be here Friday
You're welcome again.
Glad you're getting your supplies together.
StormFinch is correct. As far as we know, the nic-oxides are not toxic or as psychoactive as nicotine. They just have a taste and smell. As far as we know...but then I don't think they have been studied as extensively as nicotine.
The bottles I like for storage are from Specialty Bottles. Here is the 30 mL bottle:
Amber Euro Glass Bottle 30 ml w/ Dropper Cap (Blk)
The also have 50 mL and 100 mL I believe. The white plastic insert (eurodropper) protects against spills while the bottle is open, allows for syringe access, and acts as a gasket for the cap. I usually by 500 mL of 100 mg VG-nic, and then break it down into 30 - 50 mL eurodropper bottles for freezing. Been using these bottles since 2009 with great success and zero plastic decomposition.
In terms of oxidation, I am actually working on "aging" some VG-nic that has been thinned a bit with water. This one starts to take on a maple-tobacco flavor over time as it "tans", as it's actually called. I am doing this in 30 mL plastic dropper bottles. I gave some of this nic to my brother last year. He just left the bottle out for months, and it had evidently yellowed and changed over time. When I gave him some more, fresh from the freezer, his first question when he tried it was why it didn't taste as good as the older liquid!! I tried both, and he was right, there was something really nice about that old tanned nic! I have a bunch of it (Vermont Vapor 35 mg VG), so I am seeing if I can age some it. Been about 6 weeks since starting the process, and so far the results are quite good.
When I mentioned the purity issue with oxidizing, I believe lower purity nic actually has more of the other alkaloids in it, and they are probably oxidizing faster than nic does. Their structures are similar to nic, so this makes sense. I verified this with a tobacco/nicotine analysis lab AEMSA is working with, and the chemist agreed with me. I had some 36 mg PG Totally Wicked Red Label unflavored that was sitting in the freezer for a year. It went orange, but wow it was delicious!! Too bad I can't vape PG, but my brother loves it!
Kurt thank you for the great information. I definitely feel more confident now in the storage department.
I have 10 4 oz blue cobalt boston rounds with the Polycone whatever caps and two brown 500ml I just ordered today with the same caps.
I'm saving the 500s for high nic base and the 4oz for my 12mg unflavored. Pus I got a few 30ml glass with droppers. We shall see how it all works out
I have 10 4 oz blue cobalt boston rounds with the Polycone whatever caps and two brown 500ml I just ordered today with the same caps.
I'm saving the 500s for high nic base and the 4oz for my 12mg unflavored. Pus I got a few 30ml glass with droppers. We shall see how it all works out
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