Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part Three

Status
Not open for further replies.

Kenna

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 14, 2014
7,367
121,493
Texas, USA
I see a buttload of lawsuits if they can be financed. That's the big problem. Eventually you could get this in front of a judge who would throw it out on numerous grounds but, you gotta have the fundage to do it and I doubt many ma and pa stores have that kind of money. The states are going to fool around passing this or that bill and law and get beat down by judges. What truly worries me is the U.S. government. One U.S. Law written well and the vaping community is screwed. Or the FDA can screw us and never even have to have a law passed (how they get away with that crap just amazes me). That's why I have 3 liters of nicotine (100 mg/ml) in the freezer. MFS has a liter of 400 mg/ml nic on sale for $200 (100mg/ml liters are still $50). Couple of those and even the most high nic vapor should be set for life. Just make sure you get gloves and goggles to handle it. I don't think you really need an vapor mask but, it probably wouldn't hurt.
Check MFS for coupons. They are having a sale on everything on the site for a few days. I don't recall the end date, but I remember up to 75.00 is 15% off with JULY15. There's 2 more %s for more $ spent.
 
Last edited:

MikeE3

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 23, 2011
8,635
114,572
Downingtown, PA
How do they regulate online sales? Search your packages before they deliver them. Ban delivery from certain addresses. I have always been curious how that would work. If I order from Fasttech or any other online vendor the post office must deliver it, that's the law as far as I know, unless it's true contraband such as illegal drugs etc. then only with a warrant and in conjunction with law enforcement. I just don't see what good a law such as this would do to prevent incoming vaping materials. Now on the other hand, outgoing sales are probably a different question. I guess they could look for websites that have IPs in the state and bust them after making an online purchase like they would a drug dealer but, would that stand up in court. If it's legal in the other 49 states that is. I agree that we are heading down a slippery slope and watching our rights just fly right out the window. The solution is on us however. Get involved with advocacy, stay in touch with your legislative representative and most importantly, VOTE! if we don't start standing up in numbers not just one person here and there we will watch something we truly enjoy and that's definitely harm reducing vanish due to ignorance on the part of legislative representatives that are beholding to large companies. I will now climp back off that soapbox. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming! :)

Yea Matt, like Deb said ... the precedent is already in place. In PA and other states you can't buy alcohol on-line, or tobacco for that matter. It's not that USPS or FedEx or UPS is checking the contents of your packages - it's really the threat of heavy fines on the seller (if caught) that stops on-line vendors from shipping their goods to certain states.
 

yiddleboge6

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Apr 25, 2012
16,850
94,508
PA
Yea Matt, like Deb said ... the precedent is already in place. In PA and other states you can't buy alcohol on-line, or tobacco for that matter. It's not that USPS or FedEx or UPS is checking the contents of your packages - it's really the threat of heavy fines on the seller (if caught) that stops on-line vendors from shipping their goods to certain states.
Yep...no transportation for me to get to a liquor store.....got all excited when I saw Amazon had a wine list, until......got to the list of states that they can't ship to :(
 

3mg Meniere

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 24, 2013
6,493
65,098
75
Tomah Wisconsin
Yea Matt, like Deb said ... the precedent is already in place. In PA and other states you can't buy alcohol on-line, or tobacco for that matter. It's not that USPS or FedEx or UPS is checking the contents of your packages - it's really the threat of heavy fines on the seller (if caught) that stops on-line vendors from shipping their goods to certain states.
Would that also apply to an out-of-country vendor that sells a lot of other stuff?

As some of you know, I love honey, growing up, I think we used it almost as much as sugar. It was real cheap for us. I had bad experiences with American-made honey flavorings, but Inawera's Miod is good.

Today I got a Greek honey flavoring "Honey Moon" from Atmos Labs. The smell from the bottle put me right back at childhood labor, extracting honey. The picture shows it in comb, and I think it has a touch of beeswax smell added to it. I am so eager to try it in a juice, I think the experience will be just as good. Of course, mine was free, from a friend on the forums.

HONEY MOON FLAVOUR | atmoslab.com $7.70 at current exchange rate, the package cost 10.00 for him to send, with four bottles (cinnamon cookie, and two creams) Will review all four once I get some mixing bottles free.

If I could support the Greek economy, I would.

I just noticed they have a certificate of chemical analysis with each flavoring! Anybody say Farsalinos?
 
Last edited:

mmsjs5

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 29, 2009
1,525
6,718
Illinois
Check MFS for coupons. They are having a sale on everything on the site for a few days. I don't recall the end date, but I remember up to 75.00 is 10% off with JULY10. There's 2 more %s for more $ spent.

MFS-7.23_02.png


Coupons - Hot Deals & Coupon Codes - MyFreedomSmokes
 

MikeE3

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 23, 2011
8,635
114,572
Downingtown, PA
Would that also apply to an out-of-country vendor that sells a lot of other stuff?

As some of you know, I love honey, growing up, I think we used it almost as much as sugar. It was real cheap for us. I had bad experiences with American-made honey flavorings, but Inawera's Miod is good.

Today I got a Greek honey flavoring "Honey Moon" from Atmos Labs. The smell from the bottle put me right back at childhood labor, extracting honey. The picture shows it in comb, and I think it has a touch of beeswax smell added to it. I am so eager to try it in a juice, I think the experience will be just as good. Of course, mine was free, from a friend on the forums.

HONEY MOON FLAVOUR | atmoslab.com $7.70 at current exchange rate, the package cost 10.00 for him to send, with four bottles (cinnamon cookie, and two creams) Will review all four once I get some mixing bottles free.

If I could support the Greek economy, I would.

I just noticed they have a certificate of chemical analysis with each flavoring! Anybody say Farsalinos?

Don't know about other products but PA liquor/wine on-line purchasing is draconian. You can only order from Approved Direct Sales vendors who must get approval and probably pay a fee to get on the list. Then only wine/liquor you can't get through the PA State Run/Controlled Stores can be purchased on line. ... oh yea ... and it can only be shipped to a PA State Liquor store where to the purchase price is 'added' $4.50 handling charge and 18% tax on selling price.
 

MikeE3

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Aug 23, 2011
8,635
114,572
Downingtown, PA
Virginia is the same. You can only get liquor at a licensed liquor store - ABC Liquor is the only one we have found in our travels.

If we have a big liquor run we drive about 45 minutes and cross into Delaware. No sales tax (6% in PA) and the liquor tax is 1/2 of PA's 18%. Actually we've even made that drive to buy a TV one time to save about $50 in PA sales tax.
 

bigbells

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Mar 3, 2013
2,466
56,005
60 mi east of Raleigh NC
soledoubtshow.com
MFS has a liter of 400 mg/ml nic on sale for $200 (100mg/ml liters are still $50). Couple of those and even the most high nic vapor should be set for life. Just make sure you get gloves and goggles to handle it. I don't think you really need an vapor mask but, it probably wouldn't hurt.
Just noticed that MFS has liters of 400 mg/ml nic at 2 different prices, $150 and $200. The only difference I see is that one is in plastic, the other in glass.

However, I also just saw this, which I'd never noticed before:
"Before purchasing this product or any nicotine level higher than 100mg we require that a Product Rights and Release of Liability Waiver be filled out and returned to us via email. You can attain this form by emailing dustint at myfreedomsmokes.com"

In my opinion, that's the responsible thing for MFS to do. I don't know if I just never noticed that requirement previously or if it's new.
 

bigbells

Resting In Peace
ECF Veteran
Mar 3, 2013
2,466
56,005
60 mi east of Raleigh NC
soledoubtshow.com
Virginia is the same. You can only get liquor at a licensed liquor store - ABC Liquor is the only one we have found in our travels.
In NC, ABC stands for Alcoholic Beverage Commission, and liquor can only be purchased at ABC stores, all of which have the same name: ABC.
 

Robert Cromwell

Moved On
ECF Veteran
Feb 16, 2015
14,009
65,472
elsewhere
Same in Oregon, you can only buy hard liquor from a state store. They recently had a big other stuff giveaway up there but for hard liquor, has to be a state store.

Bells, nice to see MFS doing the responsible thing.
I think maybe most do that for nic over 100mg/ml.
 

clnire

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 15, 2013
7,719
73,217
Florida
In NC, ABC stands for Alcoholic Beverage Commission, and liquor can only be purchased at ABC stores, all of which have the same name: ABC.
YES!!! That's what it stands for! I could not remember.... o_O Thanks bells!
 

englishmick

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 25, 2014
6,590
35,826
Naptown, Indiana
How do they regulate online sales? Search your packages before they deliver them. Ban delivery from certain addresses. I have always been curious how that would work.

My guess is that they wouldn't go after the packages. There are ways they can put pressure on vendors. A vendor can buy a license to sell in the State legally, in Arkansas they have to sell to licensed retailers. Presumably they could deny the license to any vendor that broke their rules and sold in the State on-line. So vendors have to choose one or the other, on-line sales with the possibility of legal problems, or legal sales with a license.

Maybe they can stop 90% of on-line sales that way, with very little cost and effort. The States are interested in collecting money not spending it.
 

Ken_A

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Jan 13, 2013
4,876
28,345
Florida
The thing that really doesn't amuse me about this law is all the B&Ms that never displayed advocacy, never talked to their customers about it, and who's owners kept saying "it will never pass"...
Who are now complaining that they will have to go out of business.

Imagine if they had taken the time to actually advocate and show up at these sessions.
 

3mg Meniere

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Mar 24, 2013
6,493
65,098
75
Tomah Wisconsin
Maybe they can stop 90% of on-line sales that way, with very little cost and effort. The States are interested in collecting money not spending it.
Online vendors which register would then be set up to collect taxes on sales to that state. So the registration expense should be minimal to encourage them to do so. I don't know if it would be done that way.
 

DavidOck

ECF Guru
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Jan 3, 2013
21,239
178,485
Halfway to Paradise, WA
The thing that really doesn't amuse me about this law is all the B&Ms that never displayed advocacy, never talked to their customers about it, and who's owners kept saying "it will never pass"...
Who are now complaining that they will have to go out of business.

Imagine if they had taken the time to actually advocate and show up at these sessions.

Yep, pretty... amazing....

OTOH, many of them here in (at least) western WA did band together, did put up signs and info, and they/we did manage to snuff the bills this year.
 

Debadoo

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
May 18, 2012
18,052
133,969
Texas, near Fort Hood
Don't know about other products but PA liquor/wine on-line purchasing is draconian. You can only order from Approved Direct Sales vendors who must get approval and probably pay a fee to get on the list. Then only wine/liquor you can't get through the PA State Run/Controlled Stores can be purchased on line. ... oh yea ... and it can only be shipped to a PA State Liquor store where to the purchase price is 'added' $4.50 handling charge and 18% tax on selling price.
Good Grief!!

In my opinion, that's the responsible thing for MFS to do. I don't know if I just never noticed that requirement previously or if it's new.
pretty sure it's been that way. I know super_x_drifter spoke many months ago about having to sign a waiver for 200mg nic which he would immediately break down into 100mg nic once he got it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread