Its sad that some of us are so jaded that we pass ur losses off as luck that things did not escalate and move on.
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He is referring to an unlabelled pill bottle of drugs. What you are carrying is not a drug. It has not been classified as such by the FDA. You should not have been asked to pour out your juice. You should have asked to see his supervisor immediately (right there on the scene). Cops enforce current law, they do not predict future laws or give legal advice. This guy was full of crap and looking for someone to bully. Pay absolutely no attention to what he said at all. You should go see his captain at the local police station and tell them what happened. Take your e-cig with you and your juice bottle. If his supervisor is not cooperative, talk to Internal Affairs. You are owed an apology in the very least. Now he has intimidated you into changing your life, and only hearing the truth from a police man higher up the food chain will fix this intolerable situation this cop has created.
Lone woman vs armed police officer with a bad attitude and powers of arrest.
I think the end result for her was indeed excellent.
The end result may not have been ideal in promoting "vapers rights" but personally I'd rather go to jail for more important ideological struggles than the right to suck on a tube of liquid nicotine without harassment from an idiot police officer.
If she wants to pursue the matter after the fact then good luck to her, but I think she did absolutely the right thing at the time.
Accusation of unlawful conduct
"-it's illegal to be carrying an unlabled bottle of "drugs" in my car. He says it's also illegal to own "potential drug paraphenalia""
Interrogation
"-He wants to know my experience level with --other smokables--, if I own a hookah, have I been to any parties lately, where I got my paraphenalia
-He made me pour out all the e-juice in my bottle and clearomizer"
Intimidation/threat
"-but he did let me off with a warning. He said that next time it happens, I might not be so lucky. If I got a "nasty cop" I would get arrested and have drug charges on my record and that I could lose my license."
Manipulation and deception
"-E-cigs are about to get banned altogether, because they're more commonly used for illegal drugs than anything else, he said, and as long as I'm carrying one I'm at risk of arrest."
If the police officer had any real belief that you had drugs and drug paraphenalia, your juice and PV would have been seized as evidence and you would have been arrested and taken to the nearest station.
He knew that he had absolutely no grounds to make an arrest, he tried to get you mad and also tried to get you to admit to using drugs so he could arrest you, when that failed he resorted to making you think that you were "lucky this time", he did this because of his ego, he didn't want to admit he was wrong or let it be known he made a mistake.
In short, you made the officer feel stupid and he made you suffer for it.
The guy was a jerk and needs a shot to the plums with a hockey puck.
"-it's illegal to be carrying an unlabled bottle of "drugs" in my car. He says it's also illegal to own "potential drug paraphenalia""
Interrogation
"-He wants to know my experience level with --other smokables--, if I own a hookah, have I been to any parties lately, where I got my paraphenalia
-He made me pour out all the e-juice in my bottle and clearomizer"
Intimidation/threat
"-but he did let me off with a warning. He said that next time it happens, I might not be so lucky. If I got a "nasty cop" I would get arrested and have drug charges on my record and that I could lose my license."
Manipulation and deception
"-E-cigs are about to get banned altogether, because they're more commonly used for illegal drugs than anything else, he said, and as long as I'm carrying one I'm at risk of arrest."
If the police officer had any real belief that you had drugs and drug paraphenalia, your juice and PV would have been seized as evidence and you would have been arrested and taken to the nearest station.
He knew that he had absolutely no grounds to make an arrest, he tried to get you mad and also tried to get you to admit to using drugs so he could arrest you, when that failed he resorted to making you think that you were "lucky this time", he did this because of his ego, he didn't want to admit he was wrong or let it be known he made a mistake.
In short, you made the officer feel stupid and he made you suffer for it.
The guy was a jerk and needs a shot to the plums with a hockey puck.
she wouldn't have went to jail....she would have been arrested and almost immediately released, chances of her stepping into a holding cell would be slim even...
you're talking about an american woman, with rights, that blew zeros on a breath test, and passed a field sobriety, and is getting harassed over an ecig after having a cop completely illegally search her car for drugs and come up empty handed because all that was in the tube was nicotine, which is not a prescribed drug....if someone rolls their own cigarettes, is that considered a drug if they don't have the bag of bugler with them? no. same rights for vapers....the cop should be sued. end of story.
I couldn't agree with you more!
It seems Some police officers are the Same the world over. Here in the UK we're having a massive Political Embarrassment about a police officer being verbally abused and called a 'Pleb' by a Chief Political Whip, said Whip Lost his office and was publicly humiliated by the press, society and his peers.
Comes out now, said police officer Made It Up and his witness (another police officer) (undisclosed information at time of complaint) Lied. Further investigation suggests the police colluded in perverting the course of justice, manufacturing and withholding evidence.
Surprise!
StereoDreamer is correct, start a paper trail.
I don't disagree. However, I don't think it would be worth the bother of arrest; justified or otherwise, just to prove a point. Again just my 2 cents.
justification opens up ways to lawsuits...if i got that much crap from a cop over a legal substance i'd be damned if i didn't sue his ....
Okay, I have 2 new eGic kits boxed with a sample of each juice I have bought, and all of my eGos in their carrying case. I will stop by my local PD and ask them to tell me if I am safe to use these without threat of arrest. I'll also point out that I would like something in writing or a URL to refer to that I can print out to send with these two new kits I have bought as Christmas presents. I'll stop by after 3PM right after work, suit and briefcase in tow from work. I'll report back what I am told. We are a smaller college town with the largest cities in Texas an hour away, so we do have some issues with drugs.
I'm only on page three but couldn't hold off on posting.. OMFG is right!!! I'd have been arrested and be on my way to owning a town too.
Do all of yas carry a juice bottle with you??? I have loaded carts.. clearos and nanos but no bottles in my to go kit.
it sounds like this department needs an educational lecture with their morning briefings.
I'm hoping in the next couple pages which I'm about to read there is a phone number for this sherrif's department - or a mailing address. They need a boat load of pamphlets to start arriving
Do all of yas carry a juice bottle with you??? I have loaded carts.. clearos and nanos but no bottles in my to go kit.
it sounds like this department needs an educational lecture with their morning briefings.
I'm hoping in the next couple pages which I'm about to read there is a phone number for this sherrif's department - or a mailing address. They need a boat load of pamphlets to start arriving
Nah,no nasty cop on the horizon...he was it.
Dumbass.
Remember:
1- What are you doing?
I am driving home officer.
2-What is in it?
This is vegetable glycerine (found in all pharmas) with some cooking flavoring (I wouldnt mention nic)
I mean,what would he do,whip out a James Bond test kit out of his ...?
Order a test by a federal lab?
I dont think so.
Dumbass.
Remember:
1- What are you doing?
I am driving home officer.
2-What is in it?
This is vegetable glycerine (found in all pharmas) with some cooking flavoring (I wouldnt mention nic)
I mean,what would he do,whip out a James Bond test kit out of his ...?
Order a test by a federal lab?
I dont think so.
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and and.. most of my current juices are at 0 nicotine! Mine are now not only smoking replacement devices but snack replacement devices! Yes officer.. PLEASE arrest me for my diet aid
this must have been horrible and if im honest its why i have never vaped out doors. not just with cops but other people too. i cant help but feel that by vaping im doing something wrong in the eyes of others.
Sounds like you had a really bad experience. Do keep in mind that Police Officers are human too. They take more crap in a single day than most of us take in a month. I am in no means trying to defend Barney Fife's actions, just want to try to get a little understanding going here.
If you feel strongly about contacting the Police concerning this incident, before you do, contact CASAA.org and send them your story. They may be able to offer advice on how to approach the issue with the local PD and achieve the most productive results without further alienating the officer involved. They (CASAA.org) also have printable materials that you can keep in your car, but to be quite honest, it may not have mattered to this guy as it sounds like he was having a really bad day and decided to take it out on you.
If you feel strongly about contacting the Police concerning this incident, before you do, contact CASAA.org and send them your story. They may be able to offer advice on how to approach the issue with the local PD and achieve the most productive results without further alienating the officer involved. They (CASAA.org) also have printable materials that you can keep in your car, but to be quite honest, it may not have mattered to this guy as it sounds like he was having a really bad day and decided to take it out on you.
Unfortunately if you think you are doing something wrong, others will perceive it as such. I vape out and about ALL THE TIME! I want people to see, to get used to seeing! If you act like it is wrong, people will think it is wrong. If you act like it is the most natural thing and totally OK, people perceive it as OK!!!
I vape because I don't want to smoke. I am not doing anything illegal! The only time I censor my vaping is around young kids that do not belong to me because I dont think the parents will be equipped to explain to them what my device is. Restaurants are another place that I don't feel comfortable vaping in for the same reason I mentioned in my last sentence.
I'm sorry but this guy wasn't having a bad day, this guy was looking to make a name for himself by bringing in someone with drugs, unfortunately for him, she didn't have any...I'm sorry but at this point the process servers would be knocking his door down....there are cameras with audio on the police cars now, the evidence would be so stacked against the guy it would most certainly be police harassment....
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your 100% correct . guess i should just stand talk and be proud haha ! your comment about the restraunts ect is a funny one because before the smoking ban in public places i dont recall many smokers who were so considerate !. see even beforehand i still smoked outside . maybe im too curteous haha
I would let go. It's just one of those things. If I was unclear about the validity of his claims I'd find out from a reliable source that is of course pro e cig just like you are doing. I didnt read all the posts either! I dont know if and ecf moderator contacted you or the pro cig activists to tell you the Cop was out of line. Injustice happens a lot more than it should. I've grown to take it with a grain of salt. I'm not the only one it happens to and it could happen again. Hopefully not real soon! Sorry you got harassed.
Wow. Just ... wow.
I agree that this officer needs to be brought up on charges - makes one wonder how many other innocent people will endure this particular brand of humiliation and harrassment simply because they do not know what is happening. If the policeman suffers no consequence for his actions, he will continue bullying others. It must stop.
Reading through these events makes a personal phone call to the police station a necessity, methinks. I've never noticed another person vaping in public. Preemptive is much better than going through the hassle of being pulled over. I somehow doubt an officer would find my laughing funny.
I agree that this officer needs to be brought up on charges - makes one wonder how many other innocent people will endure this particular brand of humiliation and harrassment simply because they do not know what is happening. If the policeman suffers no consequence for his actions, he will continue bullying others. It must stop.
Reading through these events makes a personal phone call to the police station a necessity, methinks. I've never noticed another person vaping in public. Preemptive is much better than going through the hassle of being pulled over. I somehow doubt an officer would find my laughing funny.
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