Opinion on no nicotine vapers

[LondonGirl]

I would never encourage a non-smoker to take up vaping, but if they decided to then I also wouldn't discourage them. If they asked for advice though, I would advise them to stick with 0-nic eliquids. The kind of person who wants to take up vaping is the kind of person who might alternatively have taken up smoking. So maybe it's not a bad thing.

As for vaping leading to smoking - I can't see that really happening. The flavours when vaping are so nice and so varied. Even as a recent smoker, I hate the taste of cigarettes now. I can't imagine a non-smoker would be attracted to cigarettes just because of the similarities in the hand-to-mouth habit.

 

[Verb]

I just thought on an issue for 0 nic diet vapers. If vaping is working for them, adding the stimulant nicotine will only help their weight loss.

Still having a nic addiction might be better than a refined sugar(s) addiction. I started using large quantities of sugar at way too early of an age to ever get off it. The true gateway drug for most. What a rush it provided between the ages of 2 and 10.

 

[choochoogranny]

Serenity, I've got a husband just like yours! Has escorted me everywhere vaping and from the very beginning encouraged me all the way. Since he's 72 yrs, he figured why keep not partake of the wonderful smelling flavors but in 0 nic?

Also we're very interested in the on going studies of the benefits of nicotine in the "cognitive" area. If proven that it does help and at our age, might slip him a "micky".

 

[3mg Meniere]

That said there are a lot of very light smokers on here who "quit" buy switching to vaping. It took the full 24mg/ml juice to get me off analogs. Many here are vaping 9mg/ml. IMHO if you some less than a pack a day of ultralights you might as well stop cold turkey. I don't see how under 10 mg/ml ejuice does anything to prevent on from smoking analogs, those weren't hooked to begin with

Many people who were heavy smokers have weaned themselves down to no nic or below, generally because of medical concerns about nicotine and its effects on the circulatory system. Others mistakenly associate "addiction" to nicotine with true addiction to more harmful substances. There is still a mild throat hit and flavor change associated with very low nic. I have vaped at 0mg or 3mg for most of the past year and a half.

As for Native use of tobacco, one woman explained that it has to have its proper place. One should regard it with the reverence one would associate with a sacrament.

 

[Verb]

Many people who were heavy smokers have weaned themselves down to no nic or below, generally because of medical concerns about nicotine and its effects on the circulatory system. Others mistakenly associate "addiction" to nicotine with true addiction to more harmful substances. There is still a mild throat hit and flavor change associated with very low nic. I have vaped at 0mg or 3mg for most of the past year and a half.

What is your distinction between "addiction" and true addiction? I'm guessing the level of irritation from not using and the step folks will take to quell that irritation.

I've been an addicted and a nonaddicted habitual user of several chemicals. Nicotine is by far the most addictive I've encountered. I have not used opiates, but from those I know who have, it is probably up there with nicotine.

 

[3mg Meniere]

What is your distinction between "addiction" and true addiction? I'm guessing the level of irritation from not using and the step folks will take to quell that irritation.

I've been an addicted and a nonaddicted habitual user of several chemicals. Nicotine is by far the most addictive I've encountered. I have not used opiates, but from those I know who have, it is probably up there with nicotine.

What makes you think I am not a step-folk?

If you want to take things to an extreme, I am "addicted" to (the accurate term is dependent on) nicotine, caffeine and anti-depressant medications. I see no need to quit using those substances simply because of the concept of addiction. I can reduce my use of such substances, if I see it as necessary.

Addiction to smoking is so difficult to overcome because of availability. It takes a certain amount of sneakiness, dishonesty, theft, and compromise of oneself to fulfill craving for opiates. Not necessary with tobacco.

Alcohol abuse predisposes people to do things they would not otherwise do. Alcohol abuse is a leading contributor to fatal automobile accidents. Alcohol abuse is more malignant than nicotine abuse. I have discovered that cultural issues contributed to my past alcohol abuse. Once I resolved and understood those issues, the cravings went away.

For me, low nic is just fine, because I do have control.

 

[Juvecoop]

Coming from an ex smoker, I hated the taste and throat hit that ejuice with nic gave me so I made the switch directly to non nicotine juice. I don't think there is anyone with picking up the habit if they do their own research on vaping and really understand what it all about.

 

[Verb]

What makes you think I am not a step-folk?

If you want to take things to an extreme, I am "addicted" to (the accurate term is dependent on) nicotine, caffeine and anti-depressant medications. I see no need to quit using those substances simply because of the concept of addiction. I can reduce my use of such substances, if I see it as necessary.

Addiction to smoking is so difficult to overcome because of availability. It takes a certain amount of sneakiness, dishonesty, theft, and compromise of oneself to fulfill craving for opiates. Not necessary with tobacco.

Alcohol abuse predisposes people to do things they would not otherwise do. Alcohol abuse is a leading contributor to fatal automobile accidents. Alcohol abuse is more malignant than nicotine abuse. I have discovered that cultural issues contributed to my past alcohol abuse. Once I resolved and understood those issues, the cravings went away.

For me, low nic is just fine, because I do have control.

Sorry my typo misled my communication. I meant to type steps not step and was not referring the 12.

Non-the-less, I perceive you are blending level of intoxication with dependence.

Holding your breath while driving or driving while extremely sleep deprived is just as dangerous as driving drunk.

I also disagree that tobacco use leads to less dishonesty and comprise of ones self than most other mental and emotion altering substances. How many smokers lie to their kids?
As far as theft, way more goes to support tobacco use than opiates. Ice (other common word is auto edited)on the other hand is just pure evil on Earth. I am very grateful I never had a taste.

 

[3mg Meniere]

If one cannot control one's usage, that is an aspect of addiction. If one has control, and continues to use without egregious consequences, then it is dependency. Again, your choice of the emotionally-loaded word "intoxication" betrays your agenda.

 

[Verb]

If one cannot control one's usage, that is an aspect of addiction. If one has control, and continues to use without egregious consequences, then it is dependency. Again, your choice of the emotionally-loaded word "intoxication" betrays your agenda.

I have no conscience agenda. What agenda is perceived?

What word would be perceived as agenda free but still communicate my thought in place of "intoxication"?

 

[jjxtreme]

I believe most of us here live with a certain level of compulsive behaviors and that vaping has become another tool in helping us cope with these compulsions. To put it another way some of you may relate to. "Hi my name is addicted and my problem is JJXtreme. I have reduced my weight, stopped drinking and most importantly my numbers at the doctor have gone from off the charts bad to outstanding so fast my doctor has started asking me "How I am doing it". I am just finishing up a book about balancing our compulsions with other things that are more conducive to feeling a little better tomorrow. In this regard this question seems like a no brainer. People who live on negative energy and feeling superior to others will always find flaws in any system thats different from what they are doing. Tell them to read, or go eat another big Mac, and keep doing what makes you feel the best in the long run. We are just about done with the biggest war agains our own people since the civil war. Maybe its time to get together and move forward.

 

[Verb]

I believe most of us here live with a certain level of compulsive behaviors and that vaping has become another tool in helping us cope with these compulsions. To put it another way some of you may relate to. "Hi my name is addicted and my problem is JJXtreme. I have reduced my weight, stopped drinking and most importantly my numbers at the doctor have gone from off the charts bad to outstanding so fast my doctor has started asking me "How I am doing it". I am just finishing up a book about balancing our compulsions with other things that are more conducive to feeling a little better tomorrow. In this regard this question seems like a no brainer. People who live on negative energy and feeling superior to others will always find flaws in any system thats different from what they are doing. Tell them to read, or go eat another big Mac, and keep doing what makes you feel the best in the long run. We are just about done with the biggest war agains our own people since the civil war. Maybe its time to get together and move forward.

"Just finishing up..."
Reading or writing? If the later I'd love to read when finished. If reading, title and author?

 

[DingerCPA]

Serenity, I've got a husband just like yours! Has escorted me everywhere vaping and from the very beginning encouraged me all the way. Since he's 72 yrs, he figured why keep not partake of the wonderful smelling flavors but in 0 nic?

Also we're very interested in the on going studies of the benefits of nicotine in the "cognitive" area. If proven that it does help and at our age, might slip him a "micky".

The encouragement and participation of spouses/S.O.s is pretty cool. My S.O. also has Multiple Sclerosis and is starting to have memory issues. I've started reading some of the studies of nicotine and cognition. When she vapes, it's at 0 nic right now (she "gaks" at the TH of my nic juices), but we're going to talk to neurologist about having her try a little bit (< 6mg) as long as it wouldn't interfere with any of her other medication....

 

[regal55]

What is your distinction between "addiction" and true addiction? I'm guessing the level of irritation from not using and the step folks will take to quell that irritation.

I've been an addicted and a nonaddicted habitual user of several chemicals. Nicotine is by far the most addictive I've encountered. I have not used opiates, but from those I know who have, it is probably up there with nicotine.

Nicotine is thousands of times more addictive than ....... There are many functioning professionals who shoot ...... once a week on the weekend. But nicotine if you are addicted, you just have to have it. I mean every hour maybe two but that's pushing it . There are studies that show people with certain mental health issues are benefited by nicotine. The alkaloid on its own is fairly benign the benefits like clear headedness and anti depressant probably help the brain and also help to make it addictive. A big secret is how harmful Caffeine + Sugar cocktails are. My grandmother lost the ability to swallow until a surgery due to drinking coffee for years. It ....ed up her kidneys too.


My only concern is with e-vaping my nicotine useage is up, I needed 24 mg/ml to compete with a drage off full flavor analog. If the political climate changes and I have to go back to analogs I'd probably smoke double what I did originally.

PG worries my a little its a rare solvent to be so hydroscopic I would love to see what it does to your teethe long term, PG dissolves things only fairly strong solvents can. Does anyone know if it dissolves tooth enamel? I still question the whole Polypropylene glycol is dangerous but propylene glycol isn't.

 

[Verb]

Nicotine is thousands of times more addictive than ....... There are many functioning professionals who shoot ...... once a week on the weekend. But nicotine if you are addicted, you just have to have it. I mean every hour maybe two but that's pushing it . There are studies that show people with certain mental health issues are benefited by nicotine. The alkaloid on its own is fairly benign the benefits like clear headedness and anti depressant probably help the brain and also help to make it addictive. A big secret is how harmful Caffeine + Sugar cocktails are. My grandmother lost the ability to swallow until a surgery due to drinking coffee for years. It ....ed up her kidneys too.


My only concern is with e-vaping my nicotine useage is up, I needed 24 mg/ml to compete with a drage off full flavor analog. If the political climate changes and I have to go back to analogs I'd probably smoke double what I did originally.

PG worries my a little its a rare solvent to be so hydroscopic I would love to see what it does to your teethe long term, PG dissolves things only fairly strong solvents can. Does anyone know if it dissolves tooth enamel? I still question the whole Polypropylene glycol is dangerous but propylene glycol isn't.

Yep, my daily nic intake is up too since fully quitting analogs. Worries me a bit if I would be forced to go back (doubtful in the near future).

 

[3mg Meniere]

I have no conscience agenda. What agenda is perceived?

What word would be perceived as agenda free but still communicate my thought in place of "intoxication"?

Psychoactive effects. Intoxication implies that the person has used so much as to be experiencing its negative effects.

Yep, my daily nic intake is up too since fully quitting analogs. Worries me a bit if I would be forced to go back (doubtful in the near future).

You can wean yourself down. Sorry-- I was stereotyping you.

 

[ChurchMouse]

Hmmm...I'm a former smoker and quit using ecigs. I'm also a hypoglycemic who needs to limit sweets in my diet, including most artificial sweeteners.

Vaping for me is killing 2 birds with one stone. While the nic helps me stay a former smoker, the flavors make staying away from the real thing not as much of a hardship. I can see how satisfying a sweet tooth using zero nic vaping would be very helpful as a diet aid!

 

[Ryan Kelly]

i don't really have a problem with it. tons of non smokers still smoke hookah socially and drink socially and smoke like black and milds and smaller cigars socially so if they want to vape with no nic just as a social point i think its fine. at my college there are tons of kids who vape and even have big mech mods and stuff just for show. a lot of people like doing smoke tricks to and having a personal vape is so much easier than setting up a hookah every night. plus its healthier. the average hookah session with 3-4 people is equivalent to each person smoking about 25 cigarettes. obviously not the same chemicals and what not but the damage on the lungs and body is equivalent to over a pack of cigs. now i think the non-nic vapers who go around in public blowing huge clouds in inappropriate settings give us a bad image but there are plenty of ex-smokers who vape and do the same thing so i don't think these people are effecting anything

 

[Ar10shooter]

I never get questions like this. If he is an adult let him make a choice and help him out. I'm not suggesting if some one wants to do crack we do what we can to hook them up., but don't be a hipocrite . We vape for a lot of reasons one being we were stupid enough to start smoking, that dumb choice doesn't give us the authority to claim we are the only ones allowed to vape. That reasoning is what the Antz can argue, proof that vaping is bad even vapors don't want other non smokers doing it.

 

[crxess]

Hmmmmmmmm..............
45yrs 1.5-2pk day - no viable solutions
Enter Vaping
Instant switch - not easy, but determined
18mg - Cravings - refused to increase
12mg - Cravings - refused to increase
9mg - hmm about the same as 12mg
6mg - okay, this works......vaping a little more
3mg - Sweet - still doing everything I always do so no room for increases
Planning but not pushing for for OMG...er.....-0-mg by years end.

I highly believe I was addicted to cigarettes, but I do not accept Nicotine to play the Villainous Role it is cast in.
For me Coffee is not the issue.
Is it the Caffeine or just my preference for coffee over any other liquid?