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  1. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    I would like to tell you more about proteus but I cant steel. You understand the reasons I think:)
     
  2. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    The hype behind things like the kick/zorba devices is perhaps slightly misunderstood. When you setup your Ithaka for example with dual coils that meter out at lets say 0.7ohms and attach that to your GGTS or JustGG and slip in a fresh 18650 at 4.2v, what happens is that you're vaping at 25.2 Watts (see Ohm's Law formula). You simply can't do that with the kick or the Zorba or any other VW device. So effectively you're limiting your mod to the max wattage capability of the VW module.
    Now I know some of you will argue about vaping at a constant wattage irrespective of the ohms of the atty but bare in mind that that wattage is limited to a max of 15watts (corrected) in the Kick v2 or 18watts in the Zorba
     
  3. Aal_

    Aal_ Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 5, 2012
    Greece
    Correction 15 watts on kick v2 :)
     
  4. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    Yes you're right aal, I mistook it for the DNA 20 which goes to 20 watts. Thanks
     
  5. Aal_

    Aal_ Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 5, 2012
    Greece
    Well I'm waiting a DNA 20 device. The downfall of DNA 20 is that it doesn't go under 7 watts and it cannot fire less than 3.5v on a fresh battery. Which means sub ohm coils cannot be vaped at low watts which in my opinion is a big downfall. I hope Proteus does not have any limitations on the low side as well as high side. Sometimes I Vape at 30 watts but other times I can go down to 5 watts.
     
  6. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    My point exactly aal, people are perhaps misguided by fancy marketing and the overall hype surrounding these modules and tend to disregard the downside or perhaps are not even aware of the shortfalls.
     
  7. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    There should be a GG joke about this.

    - "How do you vape at 15watts with a GG?"

    - "Stick a Kick in it" :laugh:
     
  8. steelseth

    steelseth Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    Cyprus
    I usually vape at around 12 - 13 Watts, using a 1.8 ohm coil on my provari or 1.5 ohm coil on my mechanicals.
    I havent felt the need to go sub Ohm yet but currently there is nothing electronic on the market that could do 25 - 30 Watts and then I guess you would need the batteries to deliver 7 - 8 amps and how long would those batteries last ?

    At what Watts do you guys vape ?
     
  9. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    With the Ithaka 0.6-0.8 duals are absolutely amazing steelseth. I agree that if someone is a 10 watt vaper he can use a VW mod but if you own an Ithaka I seriously doubt 10 watts will even come close to warming the coils.

    In fact to vape at 10watts a 0.7ohm coil you need the module to supply 2.6V
     
  10. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    As I pointed out earlier a 0.7 ohm dual with a fresh 4.2v battery works out to 25.2 watts
     
  11. Supacrazyguy

    Supacrazyguy Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 15, 2012
    Swieqi , Malta
    Actually that is incorrect , with that setup you just cant vape at 25 watts . If you had connected to a power supply that was regulated yes , but batteries suffer from what is called voltage drop under load, this is instantaneous and the bigger the load ( ie lower the coil resistance ) the more voltage drop you get . This is not to be confused with voltage drop due to batteries draining .
     
  12. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    Sure as your voltage drops from 4.2v your wattage drops but even at 3.6v you're still at 18.5watts
     
  13. steelseth

    steelseth Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    Cyprus
    I do own an Ithaka, it was actually the only GG product that was in stock when I started vaping, why Thanasi why ??? :evil::evil:
    But I usually do a crossed single coil like Thanasis shows in his video, I did a dual coil once but it killed all the flavour.
     
  14. Supacrazyguy

    Supacrazyguy Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 15, 2012
    Swieqi , Malta
    hmm i think on a fresh battery its around that maybe 20watts but after a hour of moderate vaping it could be as low as 15watts , personally i cant wait for a regulated GG , low coils are nice but regulation solves one of the biggest problems .
     
  15. CaptSteve

    CaptSteve Airborn ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 20, 2011
    41,000ft at M 0.85
    Perhaps your setup wasn't correct at the time I assure you most of us vape constantly duals and the TH, flavor and vapor are truly exceptional with the Ithaka. It does have a bit of learning curve so don't give up on Ithaka duals. Highly recommend them
     
  16. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    proteus has no limits aal. And thats one more reason that I cant make it quick. Its one of the most difficult electronic cirquits. I have already contact to at least 20-25 factories and noone is able to make it. I finally found a factory that has no dificulties to make it but thats what they said. Who knows what they will say after they start the production
     
  17. imeothanasis

    imeothanasis Unregistered Supplier ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    Athens, Hellas
    aaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxxaaaaaa, that was a good one Steve :laugh:
     
  18. jjkanto

    jjkanto Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    Patterson, CA
    Just keep us posted on Proteus Imeo! I would like a vv/vw device as well, I would like it to be a GG!
     
  19. steelseth

    steelseth Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    Cyprus
    Dude that is so wrong in so many levels Im not even going to comment.
    Im off, good luck with it.
     
  20. fright88

    fright88 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    May 21, 2011
    Loveland CO
    I think I came off more defensive then I meant to so for that I apologize. As or the ability to work at a large range of power I agree. And I don't remember the specifics but Imeo did promise at least 15 watts quite some time ago so I am sure it will satisfy. As for my rant about the looks you posted pictures so that is mostly what I commented on. But IMHO the statment that Zorbas and Proteus are alike at least to me would be like saying Zorbas and the Cyborg are alike. To me they are nothing alike except their ability to regulate power to your atomizer of choice. Zorbas was designed to work with most any 510 threaded mechanical. Proteus was designed to be a full PV. It just happens to be adaptable to work with other GG PV's.

    Anyways I am not trying to start an argument just thought I would throw out my opinion.

    BTW as for kicks I have a Kick 2 and love it. Far superior to the origional and a great addon untill Proteus and VIR are released.
     
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