Petition to prevent FDA regulations

[zapped]

Just Spoke to PBusardo as well, he has a link to one of the petitions up on tasteyourjuice.com

 

[Huntsvappin]

We need about 1000 signatures a day to insure 25k by Feb 13th. As of 9:30am CST 2097, and we need to be at 3k by the end of the day. Keep signing everyone, and get your family and friends to sign.

 

[Huntsvappin]

We need more exposure to this thread. I have posted a link in my groups. Is it possible to get this added to the Yellow headers on ECF so everyone see it?

 

[VapApe]

I signed it.
But have you seen the response, we got from a petition from about 18 months ago?


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/safe-and-effective-ways-quit-smoking

Not trying to be a downer and every bit helps, But don't be to surprised by the response you will get.

 

[in4mati0n11]

This petition is presented with different Targets.

The older petition marked at: Innovation, Job Creation, Technology and Telecommunications

This new petition written by Bill G : Health Care, Regulatory Reform, Small Business

The more that sign the better!! Last one only got 5,766 signatures. Let's hit the 25k here!

 

[Cool_Breeze]

Registration, product listing, ingredient listing, and good manufacturing requirements <for eliquids> are reasonable controls.

Might product testing by an independent agency, such as is performed by the Consumer Products Safety Commission, be more to the point, more cost effective and require less resources for all concerned parties than prescribing manufacturing processes and creating registration systems?

 

[2coils]

Copy and paste this into your facebook status...certainly cant hurt. Feel free to make revisions on how long youve been without a stinky etc.

Need help from my friends. I was a HEAVY smoker of 30 years @ 2 packs a day before finding electronic cigarettes. Electronic cigarettes have 4 chemicals in them..Cigarettes have over 4000 and I havent had one in over 3 months. Please consider signing the petition below to stop the FDA from banning this life saving device.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/use...iated/RQLBYRsd

Great idea!!! If we all use our social media to get this done it will be a piece of cake. I just posted, problem is not many of my friends believe in e cigs no matter how much I explain.

 

[2coils]

though I used this direct link to the petition. Need help from my friends. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd

 

[DC2]

We only have til Feb 13, not April, to get 25K signatures...

1945 at the moment

Thanks for the correction, and I have removed my post.
Sounds like we need to get rolling then!

 

[2coils]

Since posting on my FB page 1 hour ago we got 1 additional sig, but my friend also posted on her wall. Im sure more of my friends will support us. This is what has to happen to get 25000 sigs. Additionally, our juice vendors should get involved with a link on their websites. Unless they dont want to get caught up in the political end. V2 is the only vendor I notice asking to express our opinion on these matters with a link to the comments section of the FDA website. We need more of this.

 

[Petrodus]

I signed it.
But have you seen the response, we got from a petition from about 18 months ago?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/safe-and-effective-ways-quit-smoking

Not trying to be a downer and every bit helps, But don't be to surprised by the response you will get.

The FDA loves petitions ...
It gives the illusion they are interested and focused on health issues.

 

[fourthrok]

Pity this got moved to Legislation News. The newbies won't find it. When I started here I NEVER went outside of the New Member and general e-cig discussion groups.

Too bad, really. I signed. 2,706 signatures so far. Long long way to go!!!! Wish they'd move this back where it's easier for new folks coming in to find it!!

 

[Elnroth]

Signed . We have so few signatures . .

 

[FloridaNoob]

Between the time that the case was filed and the judge rendered his opinion, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was signed into law. In his opinion document, Judge Richard J. Leon, of the district court advised the FDA that e-cigarettes could only be regulated as a drug if the vendor made health claims. Otherwise, if the FDA wanted to regulate the products it might do so using the Tobacco Act, which defines a "tobacco products" as a product made of or derived from tobacco.If the FDA had won that court case, we would not be having this discussion today. The FDA would have continued to seize product imports and driven the industry out of business here.

But we don't trust the FDA to "regulate" e-cigarettes as tobacco products with the best interests of the health of smokers in mind. They have given no indication that they even care about helping adult smokers. We should just quit or die.

I've kind of snipped your long post. However, something here makes me wonder what they could regulate. They can only regulate E-Cigarettes because of nic content. The issue on that is, only the juices and prefilled cartridges actually contain nic. Would this not mean that they can only make *deaming regulation* on those items. Not the actually electronic devices? I mean if I by an Ego-T from China, I am not buying a product derived from Tobacco. That would also mean they could not regulate the Tanks like the Nova and other items.

Based on this, the worst that might happen is that the E-juice venders might have to adhere to certain quality control practices and standards. Be sure their containers are child proof, have content labeling. Some things that I think would be good to have standardized across the board.

 

[Vocalek]

Between the time that the case was filed and the judge rendered his opinion, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was signed into law. In his opinion document, Judge Richard J. Leon, of the district court advised the FDA that e-cigarettes could only be regulated as a drug if the vendor made health claims. Otherwise, if the FDA wanted to regulate the products it might do so using the Tobacco Act, which defines a "tobacco products" as a product made of or derived from tobacco.If the FDA had won that court case, we would not be having this discussion today. The FDA would have continued to seize product imports and driven the industry out of business here.

But we don't trust the FDA to "regulate" e-cigarettes as tobacco products with the best interests of the health of smokers in mind. They have given no indication that they even care about helping adult smokers. We should just quit or die.
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I've kind of snipped your long post. However, something here makes me wonder what they could regulate. They can only regulate E-Cigarettes because of nic content. The issue on that is, only the juices and prefilled cartridges actually contain nic. Would this not mean that they can only make *deaming regulation* on those items. Not the actually electronic devices? I mean if I by an Ego-T from China, I am not buying a product derived from Tobacco. That would also mean they could not regulate the Tanks like the Nova and other items.

Based on this, the worst that might happen is that the E-juice venders might have to adhere to certain quality control practices and standards. Be sure their containers are child proof, have content labeling. Some things that I think would be good to have standardized across the board.

Many people don't realize is that to some extent, e-cigarettes are already being regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition (CFSAN). The DOT is regulating the safe transport of the lithium ion batteries used in e-cigarettes. CFSAN regulates the safety of the liquids used in e-cigarette. The law requires all companies that produce products for human consumption to register their facility and operations with the U.S. Food & Drug Administration pursuant to Section 305 of the Bioterrorism Act of 2002, P.L. 107-188. Further, all information pertaining to a company's address and nature of business must be current with FDA at all times.

But to my knowledge, there is only one (large) facility with an FDA-registered lab.

Frankly, I think vapers (and smokers that might be convinced to switch) would be better off if they leave it at that.

But if CTP insists on being the arm of FDA that regulates, even if they only regulate e-liquid, we still have problems. Some of the ideas the ANTZ have been tossing around include (and their reasoning):

• Limit nicotine content (to limit addictiveness of e-cigarettes)
• Allow only sealed, tamper-proof cartridges to be sold (to reduce chance of poisoning)
• Eliminate all flavors except for tobacco & menthol (to prevent kids getting hooked on all the yummy flavors and then moving up to smoking real non-flavored cigarettes)

However in the scientific literature I have also read complaints by scientists that there are too many different models, and in order for them to do any accurate measurements (such as how much nicotine we are getting per puff), they need to have e-cigarettes limited to a single model. That would, of course, imply "regulating" (controlling) the hardware--all of the hardware.

 

[house mouse]

Could the vendors put this up on their sites? It would catch a lot more people that don't frequent the forums that way.

 

[daddytwigs]

Only 22124 to go
Number 5

 

[MzGlow]

Needs a lot more signatures

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/us...igarettes-accessories-and-associated/RQLBYRsd




[h=1]Prevent the FDA from regulating or banning the sale and use of electronic cigarettes, accessories and associated liquids[/h]The FDA has repeatedly stated its intent to propose a “deeming” regulation to apply Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to e-cigarettes. But Sections 905 and 910 would ban all e-cigarettes, and other provisions of Chapter IX would also decimate the e-cigarette industry, protect cigarette markets and otherwise threaten public health. The FDA should NOT propose or approve any regulation that would deny cigarette smokers legal or affordable access to less hazardous smokefree alternatives. ~ Bill Godshall
E-cigarettes and associated accessories and liquids are less hazardous than cigarettes and can reduce the risks of smoking. With the use of these devices millions have successfully reduced the use of cigarettes. Don't let the FDA deny us access to these alternatives to smoking.

After half an hour it finally let me sign and share!!

 

[apbtdog1]

.....signed!

 

[TennDave]

Oh, I signed it but did you see the response from the White House??
Gee Wiz....