Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction
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I've extracted Jazz Black & Mild a few months ago with the cold method using 100% VG. I let it steep for 1 month, filtered it about 7 times and the juice has been sitting for 6 months now. It's real thick as I haven't added purified water to it yet...
My concern is the safety of vaping this. I tested some and it seems pretty awesome, though it causes a lot of build up on the coils very quickly.
Any thoughts on using Black and Milds?
My concern is the safety of vaping this. I tested some and it seems pretty awesome, though it causes a lot of build up on the coils very quickly.
Any thoughts on using Black and Milds?
How much nicotine do you think is being extracted via the PG or VG or water methods? I have been wanting to try this for a very very long time, but I was always confused as to what level of nicotine to add to the flavoring to achieve over 16 but under 20mg per milliliter. I would love to do this on a large scale and give the prepared/flavored juice away to friends & loved ones, but I just don't feel safe in extracting flavor essences from tobacco considering your also extracting other things, including nicotine.
I've experimented with herbal extractions for as far back in my memory as I can clearly remember. Since before highschool, I had been extracting alkaloids from plant matter for different uses. But to extract flavors from tobacco leaf... That is risky. Even for someone experienced in lab extraction. I'm not sure of the solubility of nicotine into water, but i do know it readily extracts into alcohols. I know that propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine are both complex alcohols in and of themselves. So I'd be worried I'd extract nasties, or too much nicotine, and make someone sick.
I've experimented with herbal extractions for as far back in my memory as I can clearly remember. Since before highschool, I had been extracting alkaloids from plant matter for different uses. But to extract flavors from tobacco leaf... That is risky. Even for someone experienced in lab extraction. I'm not sure of the solubility of nicotine into water, but i do know it readily extracts into alcohols. I know that propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine are both complex alcohols in and of themselves. So I'd be worried I'd extract nasties, or too much nicotine, and make someone sick.
I wouldn't presume to offer reassurances of approval or harmlessness to either of you. What I can say in a common sense manner is this: If you are concerned or anxious about the possible harmfulness of extracting flavor from natural tobacco at home, then don't do it. No one here on ECF has sufficient or accurate knowledge to offer a trustworthy definitive judgment one way or the other.
You can test your extracts for nicotine with a testing kit. Any extract I use in making a juice for family or friends I test first. Only once did I get more than 0.2% and that was from a processed Cpt. Black, and that was only 0.7%. As for any other harmful ingredients I think pesticide residue would be a concern. Growers and Vendors say they wash their leaves several times and tests come back with very little to no residue. It's a matter of trust unless your lab is set up to test for residues. That would be very expensive. So I guess you pay your money and you take a chance.
I'd be curious to know how they "wash" the tobacco w/o running off the flavors or nic.
Depends on the final product. Leaves are usually put on hangers and spray washed before processing. The " flavor " is inherent in the leaves themselves so no loss with a water spray. There are many different processes done to the leaves after this. They can be sun-dried, flue or fire cured. Some are soaked in a flavor broth and then compressed into cakes. All these methods change the flavor of the leaves even before different leaves are mixed for a pipe blend or cigar.
That doesn't sound very effective in segregating the assorted insecticides. Otoh, it's about the same as rinsing produce before dinner.
Got a question ...
If I was to use 2 larger sized (Toro) cigars and extract, about how many ml's of store bought pre-mixed unflavored 50 PG / 50 VG - 24ml Nicotine E-liquid do you think it would properly flavor?
170 ml of unflavored E-liquid ?
If I was to use 2 larger sized (Toro) cigars and extract, about how many ml's of store bought pre-mixed unflavored 50 PG / 50 VG - 24ml Nicotine E-liquid do you think it would properly flavor?
170 ml of unflavored E-liquid ?
Numerous variables there. Size of the cigars. Percentage of extract in the DIY mix.
Generally speaking, 15 grams of tobacco will yield 50-80mls of extract from a standard maceration. Mixed at 20%, that would make 250-400mls of DIY juice. Two large-size cigars might make ten times that much extract, so you're talking about enough extract to flavor 2-4 LITERS of NET juice.
Not sure about it but I think they use some benign solvents mixed in with the water spray.
Hello to all. It is great to see so many interested in NET.
Here is some personal input.
I used to smoke pipe and RYO/MYO cigarettes using quality brands of tobacco. Therefore, I still have a few pounds of tobacco properly stored. So far I've extracted in 50/50-PG/VG, using the slow-cooker method, the following tobaccos:
Peter Stokkebye - Amsterdam (#83), Turkish (#84), English Luxury (#17) and Cherry (#3)
Mac Baren - Honey & Chocolate, Golden Extra and Symphony
I also extracted my own pipe blend of Peter Stokkebye Danish #81 (90%) and CCC Serendipity (10%) "married" for 2 years.
So far I used the Amsterdam and Turkish for e-juice. The rest are steeping.
Here are the two mixes:
Turkish - 2.5mls 18mg nicotine 50/50-PG/VG, 0.3ml Turkish NET, 8 drops of TFA Sweetener, 5 drops of TFA Jamaican Rum and 3 drops of FA desert Ship Blend. Very nice mildly sweet vape with a slight pipe cake undertone. Gaining complexity as steeping.
Amsterdam - 2.5mls 18mg nicotine 50/50-PG/VG, 0.3 Amsterdam NET, 8 drops of TFA Sweetener, 5 drops of TFA Brown Sugar and 1 drop of MTS Vape Wizard. A true pipe mix, somewhere in between W2V's London and Paris.
BTW, a very good online source for all things tobacco is lilbrown.com
Here is some personal input.
I used to smoke pipe and RYO/MYO cigarettes using quality brands of tobacco. Therefore, I still have a few pounds of tobacco properly stored. So far I've extracted in 50/50-PG/VG, using the slow-cooker method, the following tobaccos:
Peter Stokkebye - Amsterdam (#83), Turkish (#84), English Luxury (#17) and Cherry (#3)
Mac Baren - Honey & Chocolate, Golden Extra and Symphony
I also extracted my own pipe blend of Peter Stokkebye Danish #81 (90%) and CCC Serendipity (10%) "married" for 2 years.
So far I used the Amsterdam and Turkish for e-juice. The rest are steeping.
Here are the two mixes:
Turkish - 2.5mls 18mg nicotine 50/50-PG/VG, 0.3ml Turkish NET, 8 drops of TFA Sweetener, 5 drops of TFA Jamaican Rum and 3 drops of FA desert Ship Blend. Very nice mildly sweet vape with a slight pipe cake undertone. Gaining complexity as steeping.
Amsterdam - 2.5mls 18mg nicotine 50/50-PG/VG, 0.3 Amsterdam NET, 8 drops of TFA Sweetener, 5 drops of TFA Brown Sugar and 1 drop of MTS Vape Wizard. A true pipe mix, somewhere in between W2V's London and Paris.
BTW, a very good online source for all things tobacco is lilbrown.com
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BTW, here is a very good online source for all things tobacco: Lil' Brown Smoke Shack - Cigars - Rolling & Pipe Tobacco
Be sure to check to make sure that Lil' Brown ships tobacco to your particular location. They don't ship tobacco to 27 of the 50 states in the U.S.
No big deal. If someone tries to order some tobacco and lists a shipping destination that is verboten, I'm sure the site will flag it with a message like, "Sorry, we can't ship to XYZ."
A post in the Natural Tobaccos thread today linked to another RYO site that doesn't ship anywhere outside the state boundaries of Pennsylvania. That may be more and more the story as time goes on. Tobacco lost the war and is steadily being eradicated. Too bad we don't go after GMO foods or fracking for natural gas with similar zeal.
The unfortunate truth, Bill. It is becoming more and more about Big Money and special interest.
But I digress...
But I digress...
Love this place! It is in my backyard lol. I had no idea how good I had it when I started smoking cigars years ago. The humidor room smells so stinkin good!
I can't wait to try this extraction out on a couple of my favorite cigars. I prefer Connecticut wrappers mostly but one of my all time favorites is a Gurkha Grand Reserve. The other two I'm going to try are Cusano Double Connecticut 18 and Carlos Torano Casa Torano.
I've only puffed on it twice. Tasted good, but as your common sense seems parallel with mine, I stopped because of my concern. I was only curious if anyone had done this. I was hoping to find someone that would say, "yeah I do it all the time and I'm not dead yet."
At the same time, my scientific thought process suggested there not be much of a difference in vaping it versus smoking it as far as the chemical interactions with my body. Some chemicals undergo a change when under the chemical reaction of fire, which is where my concern came from... and I thought, "what if a chemical is more harmful raw via vaped versus burned via smoked...
I picture it like how deadly Phosgene gas is produced when certain popular refrigerants are burnt... I pondered about what if a similar effect in reverse order took place. A chemical used in the flavoring of the tobacco would be more harmful unburned than burned. Like how you can't eat some raw foods until it's cooked...
Either way, I discovered a smoke shop 35 miles away from my house that has oh I don't know... 30,000 bottles of juice... maybe more. Never seen anything like it. They have Johns Creek, Red Oak, EGO, and a ton of other brands... most flavors the brands offer and at least 3 different nic levels of each. They ran out of room for the bottles and have four 3x3 boxes over flowing with various juices. This alone stopped my interest in DIY juices.
My go to vendor for most things leafy has been PipesAndCigars.com - Pipe Tobacco, New Pipes, Estate Pipes, Cigars - PipesandCigars.com. They seem to only have restrictions shipping certain products to Maryland and Washing State. Otherwise great selection and reasonable prices.
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