Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction

[NamVet68]

I just got those Amazon.com disk syringe filters. Do you draw up the extract through the filter into the syringe, or do you fill the syringe and push the extract out through the filter?

Hope that question made sense

Fill the syringe & push the pre-filtered liquid into your storage bottle (after filtering through a cotton ball or coffee filter to get the big junk out). They are re-usable for a few times if you back-flush them (reverse it & pump clean water through it). When it gets difficult to push your liquid through it - throw it away & use another one.

Have fun

 

[_jmeek]

Thanks Vet...

A good filter is the t-sac from Germany. It's a very thin unbleached tea bag, tall, with an open top with a flap to fold over the edge of a glass. It comes in sizes 1 - 4 with 2 being about perfect for a shot glass type extraction.

I use 3 filter passes which yields a clear fluid. The advantage of this filter is that it absorbs very little of the extract. Available on Amazon.

I'm gonna run my Kuba Maduro through the 1 micron disk and see if I get anything.

 

[puro]

As someone who has been filtering only with cotton in a syringe, why is filtering to the point of obtaining a clear liquid better? My extractions are very dark. Isn't the color associated with tobacco flavor? Are you saying that if I filter more, the flavor will become more concentrated--not less? I understand wanting a lot of filtering to stop the extract from gunking up the atomizer, but I didn't know it actually makes a better flavoring? Any clarification is appreciated.

 

[Innocuous]

So far, the filtering seems an issue of "de-gunking" before it ruins a wick or coil. I had the impression folks were not losing a lot of flavor.

 

[FACE MEAT]

As someone who has been filtering only with cotton in a syringe, why is filtering to the point of obtaining a clear liquid better? My extractions are very dark. Isn't the color associated with tobacco flavor? Are you saying that if I filter more, the flavor will become more concentrated--not less? I understand wanting a lot of filtering to stop the extract from gunking up the atomizer, but I didn't know it actually makes a better flavoring? Any clarification is appreciated.

If allowed to settle for a day or so, the vast majority of particulate matter will settle to the bottom of whatever vessel the extract is contained in. I find that sucking up the transparent (but still dark in color, depending upon what was extracted) liquid with a syringe and filtering saves a lot of time and effort in the long run. I don't filter to the point of clear and colorless. I'm not sure that's even possible.

 

[NamVet68]

As someone who has been filtering only with cotton in a syringe, why is filtering to the point of obtaining a clear liquid better? My extractions are very dark. Isn't the color associated with tobacco flavor? Are you saying that if I filter more, the flavor will become more concentrated--not less? I understand wanting a lot of filtering to stop the extract from gunking up the atomizer, but I didn't know it actually makes a better flavoring? Any clarification is appreciated.

Mainly to extend coil life....the flavor is not really affected by doing the additional filtering - at least not any that I've been able to detect, but my coils last 2-3X longer without having to dry-burn if I run my extracts through an additional .4 or .2 Micron filter.

Just my experience....

 

[Landonology]

Glad to see you had great results. Out of all the methods of extraction, the 4 second microwave shot glass method makes the best results i have tried. The traditional method before was a 2 week cold steep, which does work well but it takes 2 weeks and doesn't seem quite as flavorful as the shot glass. The alcohol method actually is a good way to extract the tobacco alkaloids, but can extract molecules that are alcohol soluble but not pg/vg soluble which results in mixing problems unless adding a decent percentage of alcohol to the end results juice recipe.



The best tips to help someone wanting to try this:

1. Crumple tobacco into shot glass and put scissors into the shot glass and it chops it up really well and fine. Add pg or vg, pg seemed to work a little better.

2.Microwave no longer than 4-5 seconds, it boils fast and you want tea steeping temperatures (just under boiling).

3. Take a syringe, pull out the plunger and place a chunk of cotton in the bottom near the needle end. Pour tobacco/pg mix directly into the syringe tuble. put the plunger in and filter all the tobacco through the cotton chunk. You can almost get all the pg and extract out with this method.

i'm not super far into this, i'm wanting to make some latakia flavors.. and i still have a nice jar. but no microwave... any problem with just making just slightly simmering pg, then taking it off to cool a minute and then adding the latakia?? any one try this or anything??
and like everyone else... i love this

 

[Landonology]

also has anyone done any general nicotine testing on the extracts> other words, is any nicotine carrying over, do you still add nic base, or just use as both?

 

[ratchet62]

i'm not super far into this, i'm wanting to make some latakia flavors.. and i still have a nice jar. but no microwave... any problem with just making just slightly simmering pg, then taking it off to cool a minute and then adding the latakia?? any one try this or anything??
and like everyone else... i love this

I don't care for the microwave method. Can create hotspots. I put my extraction in a glass container, place in a small pan of water on the stove, and hold at 140 deg. F for about 2 hours.

I've had really good results with this method using coffee and tobacco both.

Sent from somewhere on planet Earth.

 

[ccwaters]

Great Thread, thanks to the OP, and all the rest for the info, going to give this a try as soon as I get some appropriate tobac to do so!

 

[names]

... if I run my extracts through an additional .4 or .2 Micron filter.

Are you sure about these units? 12 microns is a red blood cell, and 2 microns is tobacco smoke particles. Anything smaller than 10 microns will make it through to your wick and then coil no matter what you do.

[A micron is one-millionth of a meter or one twenty-five thousandth of an inch.]

Great thread, by the way. very useful information in here.

 

[Chinook]

Are you sure about these units? 12 microns is a red blood cell, and 2 microns is tobacco smoke particles. Anything smaller than 10 microns will make it through to your wick and then coil no matter what you do.

[A micron is one-millionth of a meter or one twenty-five thousandth of an inch.]

Great thread, by the way. very useful information in here.

I'm confused...He wrote that he's using 0.4 - 0.2 micron filters so the particles won't be any bigger than 0.2-0.4 microns. Those filters should be able to filter 10 micron particles easily.

 

[names]

I'm confused... Those filters should be able to filter 10 micron particles easily.

You're right; my post didn't make sense. What I meant to ask, was why be concerned about such small particulate? Has anyone compared the ATTB (average time to burnt) between various filters? Since 0.2 microns is meant to filter single-cell bacteria and other really fine stuff, I can see the benefit, but where do diminishing returns kick in?

 

[Phone Guy]

Excellent thread. As an avid cigar aficionado, and new vaper, I would love to try this method. I have an extensive humidor and would be willing to sacrifice some of my napping treasures to make some REAL Cohiba, Montecristo #2, Bolivar belicoso finos, Vegas Robaina... eJuice ... all ISOM...

At the risk of sounding dumb and uniformed... from reading this entire thread apparently I can buy a flavorless 50/50 mix ready to add drops of extract to for flavor?

Where can I buy this?

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[names]

from reading this entire thread apparently I can buy a flavorless 50/50 mix ready to add drops of extract to for flavor?

Where can I buy this?

You can buy it online with nicotine or without. Amazon also sells "vegetable glycerin" and "propylene glycol."

If you want to walk into a store and buy, try Vixen in Pantego.

 

[Chinook]

Excellent thread. As an avid cigar aficionado, and new vaper, I would love to try this method. I have an extensive humidor and would be willing to sacrifice some of my napping treasures to make some REAL Cohiba, Montecristo #2, Bolivar belicoso finos, Vegas Robaina... eJuice ... all ISOM...

At the risk of sounding dumb and uniformed... from reading this entire thread apparently I can buy a flavorless 50/50 mix ready to add drops of extract to for flavor?

Where can I buy this?

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Boy these sound good My only attempt to buy real Cohiba ended up with getting a fake! I realized after comparing pictures of its band to online pictures!

 

[Chinook]

I'm also thinking about getting those syringe filters from Amazon.com. What size shall I get? 1, 0.4, or 0.2 microns?

Thanks!

 

[dmska]

So I took half of a "cle" brand cigar, chopped it up and covered with pg. Nuked for 1.5 minutes,dumped it into a coffee filter and have let it sit in a cup since Monday. Transferring everything that filtered though into another cup. Today I took 2.5mls vg added 15 gtts of extract and vaped. The extract is almost sitting on top of the vg, though. It isn't mixing very well. Tastes good, I mean nothing magnificent of course, but easily vapable. So am I on the right track?

 

[boomerdude]

That part about sitting on top doesn't sound right. If you extracted with pg then adding pg should mix right into the extract. Weird.

So I took half of a "cle" brand cigar, chopped it up and covered with pg. Nuked for 1.5 minutes,dumped it into a coffee filter and have let it sit in a cup since Monday. Transferring everything that filtered though into another cup. Today I took 2.5mls vg added 15 gtts of extract and vaped. The extract is almost sitting on top of the vg, though. It isn't mixing very well. Tastes good, I mean nothing magnificent of course, but easily vapable. So am I on the right track?

 

[billherbst]

I'm also thinking about getting those syringe filters from Amazon.com. What size shall I get? 1, 0.4, or 0.2 microns?

Chinook,

My response is anecdotal---my experience only---but the 2 micron syringe filters didn't work for me at all with coffee extract. Water went through them, but extract immediately clogged them and wouldn't flow through at all. Using them was such a total fail for me that I didn't even try them with tobacco extract. I don't know if 1 micron pore size would work or not.