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Discussion in 'Liquid Extraction From Tobacco' started by Str8vision, Oct 11, 2014.

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  1. Cynophobe

    Cynophobe Senior Member ECF Veteran

    It would be nice to have the patience to have any of my extractions/macerations reach 12 months. I was the same when I brewed diy beer. Old dogs and new tricks.....
     
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  2. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    This sounds interesting, from P&C:

    This week’s Tobacco of the Week is another fan favorite that came out of nowhere. CAO had four successful aromatic blends that became really popular and they hadn’t introduced anything new for a while. Then, about five years ago they came out with CAO Black, a Burley and black Cavendish blend with a crisp note of raspberry with a subtle note of cocoa and vanilla. It quickly became the #1-selling blend in the CAO lineup and never looked back. For the next week we’re shaving 15% off the price of this popular aromatic that’s already affordable. Grab some now and save!
     
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  3. PapawBrett

    PapawBrett Travelin' Man Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 16, 2012
    Monroe NC
    In my very limited experiences (cold maceration on PG only), anything tobacco with a fruity top note comes out horribly putrid. As in, make you want to hurl putrid.
    Would using a heated Organic Ethyl Alcohol give a better result ? I wouldn't know, but maybe someone more experienced like @Str8vision could help with that.
    Me personally, I stay away from fruity tobaccos as they just haven't worked out for me.
     
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  4. Str8vision

    Str8vision Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2013
    Sallisaw, Oklahoma USA
    I have limited experience extracting tobaccos flavored with fruit notes. The ones I do remember trying (Peach Cobbler, Cherry tobacco(s)) all failed to yield acceptable flavor. I had much better luck creating "hybrids" by flavoring NET using concentrated flavorings (like Lotus Blueberry and TFA Juicy Peach).

    I prefer extracting Vanilla and or Caramel flavored tobaccos (like Molto Dolce and Vanilla tobacco(s)). I've had good success extracting those using PG and using Ethanol but their flavor changes over time. Creating hybrids by flavoring NET with Vanilla, Caramel and various "other" flavorings works better. Hybrid NETs seem to be more stable over time.
     
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  5. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    Reporting on Nicotiana Rustica (Leaf Only) ~

    ...just don’t go there! This single varietal tobacco leaf extracted into a dank, bland, and somewhat reminiscent flavor of every “stock” TA on the market. I was hoping it would at least be a good mixer extract... nope. I never really liked TA’s to begin with, so this PG extraction will take an unglamorous trip down the sewer system. :mad:

    On a brighter note... I caught up with @usr/ about his extraction of Vincent Manil's La Brumeuse Semois. His still sits, unfiltered, in a dark cool cabinet; one day, he’ll get around to it when life allows.

    I have done a PG maceration, warmed at 125*F for 8 hours... looks dark and tasty so far. I have high hopes for the La Brumeuse, since I lean towards a hearty burley vape. Something tells me, I’ll be mixing it with equal portions of a Virginia, Cavendish, and/or Perique extract to smooth things out. But, I’m crossing my fingers for a straight 15% mix in my base. We shall see! ;)
     
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  6. beachbumcm

    beachbumcm Full Member

    May 11, 2015
    nost, thanks for the info. If I asked for a quintessential burley, would you recommend one? Not fire-cured...lightly toasted perhaps, but it must be pretty much free of fire curing for my tastes. Do any of you have any recommendations? Thanks!
     
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  7. beachbumcm

    beachbumcm Full Member

    May 11, 2015
    and a noob question...if one is doing a standard PG cold maceration, is there any benefit to starting it out with the warm bath for 8 hours like you describe? Why are you doing it, for instance? Thanks for any tips.
     
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  8. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    I don’t know about “quintessential”, since after 3+ years of producing my own NET, I’m still finding burley blends which are new and tasty to me!

    Your tastes may wildly differ from mine... but, finding that burley blend you like can be a challenge, but also enjoyable. However, to answer your question... so far, from the blends which I’ve extracted, the C&D Haunted Bookshop seems like one which would foot the bill. It is one of my fall back, all day NETs.

    Cornell & Diehl Haunted Bookshop 2oz | Buy Cornell & Diehl Pipe Tobacco at Smokingpipes

    Another blend which is burley heavy, but has a soothing Va/Per to boot, is D&R Picayune. I’ll never be without this one in my stash.

    Daughters & Ryan Picayune 40g | Buy Daughters & Ryan Pipe Tobacco at Smokingpipes

    Out of stock at SP, but you can pick it up by the ounce at P&S. I typically wait and buy it from SP when in stock... I like supporting the smaller, customer oriented vendors.

    Daughters & Ryan Picayune - Pipes and Cigars

    Over time, I've found that tobacco doesn’t have to be expensive to be tasty as a NET extraction.

    Eventually I want to try a couple of the specifically burley, C&D Burley #1,2,3,4 blends here:

    Cornell & Diehl Burley Flake Pipe Tobacco | Buy Cornell & Diehl Burley Flake Pipe Tobacco at Smokingpipes

    More later on the “heat bump” start & why...
     
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  9. Str8vision

    Str8vision Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2013
    Sallisaw, Oklahoma USA
    I've been enjoying a C&D Constellation hybrid RY-4. To premixed/aged Constellation NET base I add homemade Madagascar vanilla bean extract (VG base), along with Holy vanilla and FW salted caramel concentrated flavorings. Even shake-n-vape this combination yields the best RY-4 I've ever encountered. When allowed to age/steep for a month this hybrid is truly the crème de la crème. :)
     
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  10. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    I have a sample of that from a NET bud of mine which I have yet to mix. Does the Latakia take a back seat to the other leaf in the blend?

    I’ve also been toying around with the idea of making a hybrid or two with some of the less flavorful extraction which are in my stock; i.e. D&R Cockstrong or Ryback Regular.

    They’re ok, but need a little help.
     
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  11. Str8vision

    Str8vision Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2013
    Sallisaw, Oklahoma USA
    No, in my extractions of Constellation (hot ethanol) latakia is the dominant tobacco element...at first. While I like latakia I only enjoyed Constellation more after vaping enough of it to become de-sensitized to the taste of latakia. I no longer fully taste it, the flavor for me is that of a robust premium VaPer (Virginia, Perique) with a hint of Cavendish.
     
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  12. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    Simply put... IMO, it produces a bolder tasting outcome. I like bold. ;)
     
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  13. beachbumcm

    beachbumcm Full Member

    May 11, 2015
    how about a warm bath at the end, or the middle, of the sitting period? Like, say, at week 4, week 6, or whatever of a 8-12 week extraction?
     
  14. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    I think you're missing a key point of these forums. You go ahead and try all those times with a warm bath until you find what "you like." The key here is to have fun trying different tobaccos and styles of extractions to suit yourself, report it and help others enjoy vaping more.
     
  15. beachbumcm

    beachbumcm Full Member

    May 11, 2015
    I appreciate your viewpoint and I agree, but I was really just checking for any replies saying that it's a known thing to not do that, etc. But it looks like that's probably not the case here.
     
  16. Str8vision

    Str8vision Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2013
    Sallisaw, Oklahoma USA
    It is a thing. People have been mixing heat cycles in with their cold extraction techniques for many years. There seems to be three main variations;
    1. A single short cycle of heat (at the beginning of the extraction) followed by a long term cold soak;
    2. A long term cold soak with short heat cycles once a week every week;
    3. A full heat extraction followed by a moderate cold soak.
    There are various reasons people mix hot and cold extraction techniques but two stand out. It expedites the flavor extraction and for some tobaccos it helps produce specific flavor notes.

    Hot extraction is risky, it's easy to overcook tobacco (excess temperature and/or duration) but it produces fast results. Overcooked tobacco tastes (or quickly turns) murky and bland. Cold extraction is painfully slow but nearly impossible to mess up, it usually yields the best flavor. Some people theorize that mixing the two techniques is advantageous. Faster results with minimal risk.
     
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  17. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    @Str8vision vision laid it out much better than I did! ;)

    Every NEThead eventually finds what method works best for their vaping pleasure. It’s all about preference... no right or wrong; rather, what suits your tastebuds. :cool:
     
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  18. Str8vision

    Str8vision Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2013
    Sallisaw, Oklahoma USA
    :thumb: Exactly!
     
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  19. nostradadus

    nostradadus Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 6, 2014
    @beachbumcm ~ I’ve got a NET bud that uses an ultrasonic heat bump method, cool steep, and then centrifuges the maceration, prior to filtering. His latest extract, which I have sampled, is some stellar Aged Nicaraguan Ligero (Leaf Only).

    Would I go to that extent? No... that's his bag. But, I’ll be happy to buy the leaf, send it to him, and chip in on his process costs, just to reap the goodness of his method. :)
     
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  20. checkum

    checkum Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 8, 2014
    Missouri, USA
    Sale @ Pipes & Cigars, 33% off:


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