Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction
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I have been extracting from blending pipe tobaccos and premium cigars with pretty good success. Blending tobaccos don't have any additives or flavoring and one ounce goes a long way. Taking the extract from Perique tobacco and then mixing in flavor concentrates that sort of go with that tobacco can produce some mighty fine vapes. Who knew Perique and Red Licorice could taste so good. You can get any type of tobacco at less than $5.00 an ounce. A good cigar however is a different matter as some cost over $50 for a single cigar.
That all depends on what you concider a good cigar. There are some top notch cigars from the dominican republic about 10 times cheaper that have been the best I have had. Sounds like you know what you like, which is a great reccomendation for picking something you definitely love. You are right though about getting leaf tobacco cheaper, also no taxes on bulk leaf. Which you can also get cigar wraps and filler the same price as leaf. I'm curious about the red licorice vape now.
The red licorice is an acquired taste. I started extracting because I couldn't find any Green River Cavendish. When I ordered that I got several more and tossed in a few cigars. The hard part for me was the addition of complimentary flavors that wouldn't overwhelm the tb flavor.
Do you add any flavoring to your extracts?
Do you add any flavoring to your extracts?
Oh yeah, one of the best I have made was a heaven cigar (dominican republic) with some carmel, brown sugar, and a little vanilla. I have yet to try some bulk leaf which I really want to try.
I'll second the addition of other flavor concentrates to tobacco extracts/absolutes. I use a honey flavor and a few other tropical fruits to compose my honey tobacco and island tobacco respectively. When I mix the tobacco absolutes at 1-2%, I'll try to keep the additional flavorings at no more tha 1% as well (if that info helps).
Another one i had an idea to try this evening is a chocolate cherry mix with my flue-cured absolute extract. Hmmmmm you guys all have me thinking
Another one i had an idea to try this evening is a chocolate cherry mix with my flue-cured absolute extract. Hmmmmm you guys all have me thinking
MVJ (My Vap Juice) has a line of extracts that are pretty good. I've tried their Rogue, Country Squire and Wicked Wench. They are pretty good on their own but take additional flavoring very well. At 25% you can get 60 mls of juice from their smallest bottle.
I'm an avid cigar smoker and I've been lurking this thread for a little while. I gave the 5-second PG extraction method a shot with a Chateau Fuente Sungrown out of one of my boxes (I go through a box of those a month - one of my favorite cigars).
I did a 10% mix in 100% VG and ran it in the ultrasonic cleaner for a couple of cycles @ 30 minutes each and it was SUPERB! Can't wait to let it steep a week or two, but I'm amazed at how much it tastes like the real cigar....maybe even a bit sweeter. I use RBAs with ceramic wicks & ribbon Kanthal coils, and they don't seem to be gunking them up any more than any other juice. The extraction is a very clear light-medium brown, and runs pretty clean.
Time to start going through my humidors and finding some sacrificial cigars (I have a few Cubans stashed away) ...this could bring my DIYs to an entirely new level!
BTW, here's a hint; if you have a decent cigar shop nearby, ask them if they have any damaged or broken cigars you can buy/have ...they can be damaged by handling or in shipping, or the wrappers start splitting. Almost every shop has a few in the back. Since they usually can't sell them that way, they normally just throw them away, or the staff smoke the ones that are somewhat salvageable. You can get some very high-priced/good cigars for next to nothing, or even free! I picked up a couple of lightly damaged God of Fire (outstanding cigars, but usually about $100+ a piece) for $20 last week at Corona Cigar in Orlando .... the extraction knocked my socks off!
I LOVE this method!!! Thanks for getting the info out.
Have fun....
I did a 10% mix in 100% VG and ran it in the ultrasonic cleaner for a couple of cycles @ 30 minutes each and it was SUPERB! Can't wait to let it steep a week or two, but I'm amazed at how much it tastes like the real cigar....maybe even a bit sweeter. I use RBAs with ceramic wicks & ribbon Kanthal coils, and they don't seem to be gunking them up any more than any other juice. The extraction is a very clear light-medium brown, and runs pretty clean.
Time to start going through my humidors and finding some sacrificial cigars (I have a few Cubans stashed away
) ...this could bring my DIYs to an entirely new level! BTW, here's a hint; if you have a decent cigar shop nearby, ask them if they have any damaged or broken cigars you can buy/have ...they can be damaged by handling or in shipping, or the wrappers start splitting. Almost every shop has a few in the back. Since they usually can't sell them that way, they normally just throw them away, or the staff smoke the ones that are somewhat salvageable. You can get some very high-priced/good cigars for next to nothing, or even free! I picked up a couple of lightly damaged God of Fire (outstanding cigars, but usually about $100+ a piece) for $20 last week at Corona Cigar in Orlando .... the extraction knocked my socks off!
I LOVE this method!!! Thanks for getting the info out.
Have fun....
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I did an Acid Blonde and a Rocky Patel Sun Grown along with E. Carolina Ribbon, Perique and Green River Black Cavendish using the 5 second microwave extraction method. After steeping I'm looking forward to trying them both alone and mixed with other concentrates. I went 25% flavoring in 50/50 12 mg. base. I don't expect the resulting juice from the Acid Blond to taste as good as W2V's Blonde but I hope it's a decent vape.
I'm an avid cigar smoker and I've been lurking this thread for a little while. I gave the 5-second PG extraction method a shot with a Chateau Fuente Sungrown out of one of my boxes (I go through a box of those a month - one of my favorite cigars).
I did a 10% mix in 100% VG and ran it in the ultrasonic cleaner for a couple of cycles @ 30 minutes each and it was SUPERB! Can't wait to let it steep a week or two, but I'm amazed at how much it tastes like the real cigar....maybe even a bit sweeter. I use RBAs with ceramic wicks & ribbon Kanthal coils, and they don't seem to be gunking them up any more than any other juice. The extraction is a very clear light-medium brown, and runs pretty clean.
Time to start going through my humidors and finding some sacrificial cigars (I have a few Cubans stashed away
BTW, here's a hint; if you have a decent cigar shop nearby, ask them if they have any damaged or broken cigars you can buy/have ...they can be damaged by handling or in shipping, or the wrappers start splitting. Almost every shop has a few in the back. Since they usually can't sell them that way, they normally just throw them away, or the staff smoke the ones that are somewhat salvageable. You can get some very high-priced/good cigars for next to nothing, or even free! I picked up a couple of lightly damaged God of Fire (outstanding cigars, but usually about $100+ a piece) for $20 last week at Corona Cigar in Orlando .... the extraction knocked my socks off!
I LOVE this method!!! Thanks for getting the info out.
Have fun....
I've been making DIY pipe tobacco blends for the past couple of years. I have a cr@p-ton of pipe tobacco in my closet. Now I can vape and still make use of my investment in tobacco!
I made an extraction of a blend of Red VA, Carolina, Stoved Va, and Orientals using the microwave/shotglass method with VG. It is amazing! Tastes just like the tobacco and it's way better than smoking it. All if the flavor; none of the guilt...wait....nevermind.
Best tobacco-flavored vape I've ever had. Thanks everyone!
Oh, while it was steeping in warm VG it smelled like Wheaties!
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I made an extraction of a blend of Red VA, Carolina, Stoved Va, and Orientals using the microwave/shotglass method with VG. It is amazing! Tastes just like the tobacco and it's way better than smoking it. All if the flavor; none of the guilt...wait....nevermind.
Best tobacco-flavored vape I've ever had. Thanks everyone!
Oh, while it was steeping in warm VG it smelled like Wheaties!
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I have been thinking of including some Stoved VA in my next order. Does it work with the microwave method? It looks like it must turn midnite black once it's extracted.
Glad to see you had great results. Out of all the methods of extraction, the 4 second microwave shot glass method makes the best results i have tried. The traditional method before was a 2 week cold steep, which does work well but it takes 2 weeks and doesn't seem quite as flavorful as the shot glass. The alcohol method actually is a good way to extract the tobacco alkaloids, but can extract molecules that are alcohol soluble but not pg/vg soluble which results in mixing problems unless adding a decent percentage of alcohol to the end results juice recipe.
The best tips to help someone wanting to try this:
1. Crumple tobacco into shot glass and put scissors into the shot glass and it chops it up really well and fine. Add pg or vg, pg seemed to work a little better.
2.Microwave no longer than 4-5 seconds, it boils fast and you want tea steeping temperatures (just under boiling).
3. Take a syringe, pull out the plunger and place a chunk of cotton in the bottom near the needle end. Pour tobacco/pg mix directly into the syringe tuble. put the plunger in and filter all the tobacco through the cotton chunk. You can almost get all the pg and extract out with this method.
The liquid with the stoved VA is very dark. Between the red VA and the stoved it is a deep, rich red-brown. It is much like the color of dark caramel.
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I agree 100%.
2. Tea steeping temperature is exactly right. Boiling will change the character, much like with tea.
3. FYI I have been using a marinade injector syringe. It works great.
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I made this blend over a year ago from McClelland's Blending Tobaccos, so it has aged a bit and the flavors have married. The liquid tastes like the blend. Now I'm going to make extractions of the various component tobaccos I have. My goal being to see if the flavors blend the same way when blended as extractions as they do as tobaccos.
I have quite a good amount of blending tobaccos (pounds I would guess). Several Virginias, McC Blending Orientals (I love them), several Burleys, Perique, Latakia, you name it. So far, vaping them is better than smoking them. It tastes a lot like "the first puff" the whole time!
I also made an extraction from the last of a tin of Balkan Sasieni last night. I'll report back on it after a steep.
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First of all, thanks to the members who posted in this thread and offered so much valuable info. I have made a couple of extracts using this method, only with a little tweak. In a sort of mix between the hot and cold extraction methods, I soak the tobacco in PG and nuke in the micro for a few seconds, stir, cap (baby food jars) and put in the cupboard overnight. Repeat once daily for about a week and I have gotten fantastic results. More flavor IMO than a single heat cycle and half of the time of a 2 week cold extraction.
For filtering, I use a mesh screen for the bulk of the liquid. For the remaining soaked tobacco I bought a cheap garlic press and cut a piece of mesh to fit into the bottom. I use a spoon to scoop the tobacco into the press and lightly squeeze out the remaining liquid. Finally, I use a syringe with a cotton ball in the bottom, fill from the top and plunge into a bottle. I am actually able to reclaim around 26ml from 30ml of PG using this method.
I am also able to cut the flavor percentage in half in comparison to a single heat cycle extraction. Awesome ideas in here and I thank everyone for the advice that made me realize that extraction can be done very easily and with fantastic results!
For filtering, I use a mesh screen for the bulk of the liquid. For the remaining soaked tobacco I bought a cheap garlic press and cut a piece of mesh to fit into the bottom. I use a spoon to scoop the tobacco into the press and lightly squeeze out the remaining liquid. Finally, I use a syringe with a cotton ball in the bottom, fill from the top and plunge into a bottle. I am actually able to reclaim around 26ml from 30ml of PG using this method.
I am also able to cut the flavor percentage in half in comparison to a single heat cycle extraction. Awesome ideas in here and I thank everyone for the advice that made me realize that extraction can be done very easily and with fantastic results!
I'm on board with this. Thanks everyone, thanks xMackx. Used 60% PG, 40% tobacco, yielded 35ml of beautiful golden brown liquid and added 3ml of dark spiced rum to finish it off. I've used this extract in a mix almost identical to the OP for pipe.
The biggest difference was the microwave time. I used about three times 5 sec just to feel that it was very warm but not hot. Syringe with cotton and coffee filter (pic). Certainly the quickest route I've ever taken from an extract to a mixed juice.
Dam tobacco is expensive though I'd almost forgotten that LOL.
and added 3ml of dark spiced rum to finish it off. I've used this extract in a mix almost identical to the OP for pipe.The biggest difference was the microwave time. I used about three times 5 sec just to feel that it was very warm but not hot. Syringe with cotton and coffee filter (pic). Certainly the quickest route I've ever taken from an extract to a mixed juice.
Dam tobacco is expensive though
I'd almost forgotten that LOL.
I just paid $18 for 2 Cigars to extract. An Drew Estate Acid Kuba-Kuba Premium and a Nat Sherman Dominican #2. Worth every penny.
...especially when you consider how much extract you can get out of each cigar. On average, I'm getting about 30+ml of pure extract out of an average Robusto cigar.... at a 10% dilution (or less), that's a LOT of great-tasting juice! I also find that I'm not adding any additional nic juice to my blends - the extractions have quite a bit of nic in them already (and I'm now a low-nic vaper anyway, I try to stay around 6mg if possible). Nicotine is usually the most expensive part of any DIY juice, so you are ahead of the game all the way around.....
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