Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction

[bogeyjim]

You sacrificed an Opus X? You sir are out of your mind Though some years of Opus just weren't that great, hopefully you sacrificed one of the bad years My havanas and HTF's will not be sacrificed, I don't have the heart

Maybe a Liga 9... that I could probably live with

 

[Steven Pye]

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[bogeyjim]

Just picked up a 5er of Anejo's.... Do i want to sacrifice one?? Hmmmm....

 

[NamVet68]

No no ....not SHARKS!!! AAAHHHhhhhh!!!! If it's a #77 -Don't do it!! (that's right - it's Father's Day - when the Añejos are released..I forgot)

...one thing you might want to do though...when you cut the tips off before you smoke them - save the caps & make an extract from those. About 80% of a cigar's flavor is in it's wrapper, so you will get the true essence of the cigar from that extract.... I save all my cut-offs in little plastic sealed containers just for the purpose of making a small batch of juice or two.

Me personally, I'd chop up one of my Habanos before I sacrificed a Shark, they are too hard to get!

 

[Ec!g]

Great stuff here guys.
I'm a very beginner diy'r so I have much to learn but reading through this thread I've seen some members inquire about nic levels in the extracts created.

I ran across this site and I wonder if This kit would do the job at adding some piece of mind. Not hard on the wallet either. I have done no extractions so I have nothing to test but if anyone is interested...

 

[Waho]

I used the hot extract method on some snus last week. I cut open 10 pouches of Goteborg's rape #2 and covered with about 11ml of PG. Three shots of 5 seconds in the microwave then stirred a bit and let it sit an hour.

I managed just under 10ml of extract as snus is pretty moist to begin with, and I gave the syringe hell! It was a dark reddish brown and smelled just like the snus, tobacco and berry. Mixed 10 drops in 3ml of 50/50 12mg base and let it sit until this morning. It tastes just like the snus, albeit a bit lighter in flavor and a bit bitter. I added a drop of EM and 2 more drops of extract and I'll try it again in another week.

I haven't dug up the courage to raid my humidor yet. If this turns out well I may have to extract one of my favorites, an Oliva Connecticut Reserve or Nub Connecticut.

How did the acid kuba kuba turn out? I have a couple of them in a separate humidor I've been meaning to empty out.

 

[bogeyjim]

No no ....not SHARKS!!! AAAHHHhhhhh!!!! If it's a #77 -Don't do it!! (that's right - it's Father's Day - when the Añejos are released..I forgot)

...one thing you might want to do though...when you cut the tips off before you smoke them - save the caps & make an extract from those. About 80% of a cigar's flavor is in it's wrapper, so you will get the true essence of the cigar from that extract.... I save all my cut-offs in little plastic sealed containers just for the purpose of making a small batch of juice or two.

Me personally, I'd chop up one of my Habanos before I sacrificed a Shark, they are too hard to get!

No sir, I will NEVER cut up a 77 I picked up a 5er of the 46's. The best of the batch in my opinion. Not a bad idea to save the caps, then its no waste! Man I can't wait to light up a sweet sweet Anejo again. Every Fathers day and Xmas, it's Anejo time!

Nice to see so many cigar smokers here

 

[VIPOD]

Going to give this a go on the weekend....not a pipe smoker, so I need an opinion here:

Which Captain Black Blend would you recommend for this process?






Looking for a vanilla/choco like ejuice extract eventually, and preferably as clear as possible. Obviously, I'm staying clear of the cherry one.

thanks!

 

[VIPOD]

BTW....this is what I read up on the different viarities....again, was never a pipe enthusiast.

"Cavendish is not a plant or tobacco varietal: it is the name for (most commonly) Virginia and Burley tobaccos which have been put through a specific curing process and storing/cutting method. After their respective curing process, (Burley: air-cured, Virginia: flue-cured), Cavendish tobaccos are steamed, usually with sugars or flavoring in the water, in order to infuse the tobacco with moisture and a subtle sweetness. After steaming, the tobacco is stored under pressure (pressed) for an additional curing/fermentation period. Pressing can last from a few days to several weeks and flavorings and/or casing can be added at any stage throughout the process. The color and flavor of the Cavendish will vary between natural and black, depending on what flavoring is added and how vigorous the pressing is."
-Courtesy of Tobacconist University

Does this affect the results of extraction? no clue.

thanks

 

[NamVet68]

Going to give this a go on the weekend....not a pipe smoker, so I need an opinion here:

Which Captain Black Blend would you recommend for this process?


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Looking for a vanilla/choco like ejuice extract eventually, and preferably as clear as possible. Obviously, I'm staying clear of the cherry one.

thanks!

Just my take; the "Regular" (white pouch) was the most flavorful when smoked in a pipe (I smoked that & the Gold & Royal often back when I was a regular pipe smoker), so would probably be the best for producing an extract, and it also has the fewest "additives". Even though your extract will have the same flavors as the original tobaccos, it won't have the same strength...by a long shot. My most successful cigar extracts have always come from stronger cigars....but I like stronger flavors anyway.

JMHO

 

[inkdog]

I agree, the white capt black was the best to smoke. It should make the best juice too.

I was a big fan of Boswell Tobacco. Over the weekend I extracted some of their burley with VG. I used the microwave method with awesome results! I'll definitely be making more!

 

[VIPOD]

Just my take; the "Regular" (white pouch) was the most flavorful when smoked in a pipe (I smoked that & the Gold & Royal often back when I was a regular pipe smoker), so would probably be the best for producing an extract, and it also has the fewest "additives". Even though your extract will have the same flavors as the original tobaccos, it won't have the same strength...by a long shot. My most successful cigar extracts have always come from stronger cigars....but I like stronger flavors anyway.

JMHO

You know, after reading the descriptions of all the Captain Blacks I thought the regular might be the best option.

Just a question, when you say the strength is not the same, what's your reference point here? Actually smoking the tobacco vs. the eliquid extract result?

thanks

 

[NamVet68]

You know, after reading the descriptions of all the Captain Blacks I thought the regular might be the best option.

Just a question, when you say the strength is not the same, what's your reference point here? Actually smoking the tobacco vs. the eliquid extract result?

thanks

Compared to smoking the tobacco in a pipe, the flavors will tend to be more "muted", but much "cleaner" tasting, and will tend to taste a bit sweeter.... however, after steeping for up to a month though, there's no shortage of flavor. Biggest thing to remember with the extracts is that you have to be patient. When you first taste it (I know you will right away ), you will probably be disappointed. The juice will probably be a little bitter, and have very little, or no flavor at all (other than the PG or VG)...but give it a little time, and every day you will notice the flavors increase, and the juice will darken as the compounds work their way into the juice.

Tobacco juices take the longest time to develop, but the results will exceed your expectations.... at least in my experience.

Have fun

 

[Blackbeard]

Ages ago, I smoked a pipe and loved a tobacco named "Blend Eleven". I don't think it's produced any more. I believe it was a Danish tobacco for some reason. At any rate, I might have some laying around in a can. It'll be years old, and perhaps very dried out.

Any ideas on what an extraction of this might give me as far as a comparison of old vs. fresh?

 

[NamVet68]

Ages ago, I smoked a pipe and loved a tobacco named "Blend Eleven". I don't think it's produced any more. I believe it was a Danish tobacco for some reason. At any rate, I might have some laying around in a can. It'll be years old, and perhaps very dried out.

Any ideas on what an extraction of this might give me as far as a comparison of old vs. fresh?
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That really depends on how it was stored. I've made extracts from cigars that were over ten years old, and they were outstanding....but they were kept properly humidified and stored in Spanish cedar humidors.

If it were me, as long as the tobacco is not moldy, I'd give it a shot. The only thing you will loose is a little PG/VG and a little time.

My only concern about doing this is coming up with a totally fantastic juice that you will never be able to replicate again!
Been there....done that....


EDIT: BTW...Blend 11 had a pretty big following (I seem to remember seeing it myself, but that was long ago). It's no longer being made, but I found out that someone is making a clone of it: http://www.pipetobacco.com/blend-eleven/our-blend-eleven.html

 

[Blackbeard]

EDIT: BTW...Blend 11 had a pretty big following (I seem to remember seeing it myself, but that was long ago). It's no longer being made, but I found out that someone is making a clone of it: Our Blend Eleven

Yes, I found that as site as well. If I still have it, it was stored in a closed can, so it'd be pretty dry and who knows about the mold.

thanks for the reply.

 

[boomerdude]

You want to be careful with extracting flavored pouch tobaccos. There are a lot of additives compared to blending tobaccos. The flavored, blended tobaccos like Borkum Riff, Cpt. Black, etc. are not really suitable for extraction aimed at making e-juice. Read the additives on the pouch or tin before extracting.

 

[PaulB]

I just discovered this thread and am kind of fascinated. For about a year, I've been vaping little else than a variation of a recipe JimmiD (not sure I spelled that screen name right...) posted-- a combination of FA Latakia, Perique, and Dark Vapure (with some other stuff). Now I'm wondering what I might find in the pipe tobacco world (with which I have little familiarity) that might be more or less equivalent. I think of the three flavors combined, it's the Latakia note is what particularly works for me.

 

[boomerdude]

Sounds like that's a Bengali Ghost recipe. Just switch out the Perique for Shade.

The best Latakia blend I ever had was a vanilla tobacco house mix called Ebony by A.J. Peretti in Boston.

 

[NamVet68]

Mmmmm Latakia & Periqe One of my favorite tobaccos back when I was an avid pipe smoke was Bengal Slices... hasn't been around for years. I think those were the only two ingredients. Probably the main reason I quit pipe smoking was I was no longer able to get that stuff - loved it.

I'll have to try getting some raw tobacco from a local tobacconist (he makes his own blends from scratch) and try making a Bengal Slices extract