An ounce of blending tobacco cost the same as a bottle of Hangsen concentrate. You can get 60ml from an ounce an a lot more variety to choose from a well stocked tobacconist.
Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction
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Just thought i would share-
I did a bit of reading about different pipe tobaccos online just to see what was out there. Ended up finding this site offering a free pouch of your choice (8 different kinds, changed weekly from what I gather) http://www.stglanepipe.com/FreeSamples.aspx
I went through the "order" process and submitted, but after a week of waiting I had lost hope. Last Saturday I got my free pouch of troost special cavendish and a coupon for a free pouch of captain black. Nice! I don't know the pouch size offhand but I have only used about 1/4 to field around 60ml of extract. It works nicely around 3-4% so This pouch should last..... Awhile.
They always have something good to choose from and you don't even pay shipping for the free sample. Otherwise the prices look good and I will definitely be ordering my next extraction product from them.
Just to clarify a few things here please:
When you say you get 30 ml of extract and mention 10% (or whatever), does this mean you're sort of using this as a 10% flavor in a PG and/or VG base? eg: 30ml makes 300 ml of base at 10% which you can either vape or use as an additive to another mixture?
You all seem to be using high dollar cigars here. I was only hoping to make my own Black and Mile from those $0.60 cigars. Would this work as well?
When you say you get 30 ml of extract and mention 10% (or whatever), does this mean you're sort of using this as a 10% flavor in a PG and/or VG base? eg: 30ml makes 300 ml of base at 10% which you can either vape or use as an additive to another mixture?
You all seem to be using high dollar cigars here. I was only hoping to make my own Black and Mile from those $0.60 cigars. Would this work as well?
It depends on the extract. Just like commercial concentrates some are used at different percentages than others. It all depends on your taste. I use a large percentage of "Blonde" as it's not as strong as Burley or Latakia. Experimenting is the only way you'll get it to your liking. Once you have an idea of how much to use for a singular flavor, then you have to figure out percentages for multi-flavored mixes. It takes a lot of work but it's worth it in the long run.
I use the extract as I would any other flavor concentrate, so yes- 30ml @ 10% would make 300ml of "finished" liquid.
And the price doesn't necessarily dictate quality. If you like the cigars, use them!
Also, from what I gather reading this stuff, the Nicotine content from the original extraction varies, so am I safe in assuming what I end up with is safe as a flavoring? If I usually use a 12-18 mg/ml nicotine juice to vape, am I going to over-nicotine myself if I add extract to a NIC base, or should I start without NIC base?
That's the thing, blackbeard. I want to try extracting camel snus and using it as a base, just no idea what the nic will be in my juices.
How do you guys/gals figure that out?
How do you guys/gals figure that out?
I actually think that extraction with pg or vg creates a negligible amount of nic in the flavoring itself. And at such a low percentage overall, I would venture to say it doesn't change the final ratio of your liquid. I'm sure using alcohol or some fancy process would give you nic in the flavor, but a long soak in PG...... Meh.
Of course that is just my thought on the matter.
Of course that is just my thought on the matter.
Minimal, thanks for the post, so just pretend my extract is 0 nic then and just like any other flavoring?
That's been my practice so far with 12mg base and I haven't vaped myself sick yet, even after several marathon bouts with the genesis which would have me on the floor with 18mg in about 20 minutes.
I'm interested to hear how your snus turns out!
Thanks for the link, just ordered up a free sample
What did you go for?
Same thing you did
As far as the snus, we'll see. I got home and put 3 pouches of General Original Snus in about 15mL of VG. Stuck in microwave, 3 rounds of 5 seconds. Then stirred a bit till the juice turned a golden brown. Did the cotton ball trick (what a difficult time that was with VG. Next time I'm using PG!)
I made a 10mL bottle of juice with it. Verdict is still out as its very fresh. Not really liking it so far, but the general original is a great snus.
Did I do the extraction right? I let the snus bags 'steep' about 10 minutes or so.... I think I'll add sweetener to my concoction in a few days if I'm still not liking it
Same thing you did
As far as the snus, we'll see. I got home and put 3 pouches of General Original Snus in about 15mL of VG. Stuck in microwave, 3 rounds of 5 seconds. Then stirred a bit till the juice turned a golden brown. Did the cotton ball trick (what a difficult time that was with VG. Next time I'm using PG!)
I made a 10mL bottle of juice with it. Verdict is still out as its very fresh. Not really liking it so far, but the general original is a great snus.
Did I do the extraction right? I let the snus bags 'steep' about 10 minutes or so.... I think I'll add sweetener to my concoction in a few days if I'm still not liking it
Nice! The troost makes a good extract and I have been using it in quite a few different things. Good rich flavor for a base or alone with a light sweetness. It also extracts quickly. PM me if you would like some of the extract I have on-hand just to monkey around with!
As for your test run, what % of flavor did you use? I suspect that VG doesn't pick up as much of the flavor without a long soak, so I would suggest some PG to use next time if you can tolerate it. I'm sure a PG based flavoring would also require less steep time in your final mix but then again- I have never tried. It took a bit if trial and error and I definitely made some bad extracts, but once you find a good tobacco, make a solid extract and mix a good bottle of vape with it- the victory is sweet.
Also, I'm not too farmiliar with SNUS and the types of tobacco or flavorings used, but I might suggest taking the tobacco out of the pouches if you give it another go- I could see how the bag itself might absorb some of the flavor and there is a chance that the bag itself imparts a flavor of its own..... Just a guess.
My advice- if it sounds like something you might like, try it. It can be a $100 dominican, $40 per ounce pipe tobacco or a $1.25 swisher from your local gas station.
Also, read about different tobaccos and their qualities. It will help you find something you will like for a flavoring while eliminating a lot of trial and error.
Finally and as always- have fun!!!
Same thing you did
As far as the snus, we'll see. I got home and put 3 pouches of General Original Snus in about 15mL of VG. Stuck in microwave, 3 rounds of 5 seconds. Then stirred a bit till the juice turned a golden brown. Did the cotton ball trick (what a difficult time that was with VG. Next time I'm using PG!)
I made a 10mL bottle of juice with it. Verdict is still out as its very fresh. Not really liking it so far, but the general original is a great snus.
Did I do the extraction right? I let the snus bags 'steep' about 10 minutes or so.... I think I'll add sweetener to my concoction in a few days if I'm still not liking it
Give it some steep time before you make a judgment. Don't expect extract-based juices to have much flavor when fresh...Tobacco juices take up to a month (some more) to fully develop....especially in VG. You can accelerate the process to a certain degree by running it through an ultrasonic cleaner (jewelry cleaner) for an hour or so, but even then, it won't be at optimum for a few weeks at least. There's no substitute for steep time.
Wow thanks a lot everyone. Next time will be via PG. And yea, I definitely plan on using cigar tobacco once I get my techniques down. I have a humidor, as I enjoy smoking cigars quite a bit, one will have to be sacrificed very soon!
I'm an avid cigar smoker also.... I just sacrificed a Fuente Fuente Opus X this morning to make a new extract....it was painful to do, but for the amount of extract you get out of one, and the amount of outstanding juice it will produce makes it worth it.
It was still difficult to slice it up though ..
I still haven't had the cojones to sacrifice any of the few Cubans I have stashed away....
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