Thanks Bill.
If I get to experiment with these filters with tobacco extracts, I'll let you know.
Pipe tobacco and Cigar extraction
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Thanks Bill.
If I get to experiment with these filters with tobacco extracts, I'll let you know.
Ok...I started my cigar juice project tonight. I cut about 2 inches of a LaGloria Cubana Serie R #7 Natural. One of my favorites.
Chopped it up on a cutting board, put the pieces in a small sauce bowl covered with PG, microwaved it for 20 seconds which was probably too long, stirred it, pushed it, squashed it against the edges, until it all cooled down... then repeated for 10 seconds this time...mixed and mixed...then did it one last time.
After it was cool, I used the syringe with a cotton ball to filter the sludge with got a lot of it. Then my son got a garlic press, used a cotton ball there as a filter, loaded the once strained sludge into the garlic press and pushed out even more pg juice! Then at the end we garlic pressed the cotton ball filters and got all that pg juice! In all I ended up with about 40 ml of cigar extract juice all pg.
Mixed up a small 3 ml sample batch, 50/50 pg/vg (no nicotine)
Shook it all up, got out the dripper and tried it. It does taste like the source cigar. No nicotine so no spice on the tongue. In fact it was actually a little sweet?
I tried the straight extract which is all pg and it taste great.
I'm sure steeping will help both the extract and any mixes. However because I used so much pg in the heat extraction I'm wondering if it concentrated enough for mixing recipes? I guess that remains to be seen.
Well I'm on my way! I need some bottles and then go from there.
Any comments? Sounds like I need anything up?
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Chopped it up on a cutting board, put the pieces in a small sauce bowl covered with PG, microwaved it for 20 seconds which was probably too long, stirred it, pushed it, squashed it against the edges, until it all cooled down... then repeated for 10 seconds this time...mixed and mixed...then did it one last time.
After it was cool, I used the syringe with a cotton ball to filter the sludge with got a lot of it. Then my son got a garlic press, used a cotton ball there as a filter, loaded the once strained sludge into the garlic press and pushed out even more pg juice! Then at the end we garlic pressed the cotton ball filters and got all that pg juice! In all I ended up with about 40 ml of cigar extract juice all pg.
Mixed up a small 3 ml sample batch, 50/50 pg/vg (no nicotine)
Shook it all up, got out the dripper and tried it. It does taste like the source cigar. No nicotine so no spice on the tongue. In fact it was actually a little sweet?
I tried the straight extract which is all pg and it taste great.
I'm sure steeping will help both the extract and any mixes. However because I used so much pg in the heat extraction I'm wondering if it concentrated enough for mixing recipes? I guess that remains to be seen.
Well I'm on my way! I need some bottles and then go from there.
Any comments? Sounds like I need anything up?
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How did your juices turn out after steeping? I'm doing a similar extract using cigarette tobacco.
Thanks.
I'm using no nicotine, since I never bought any (yet). The result is a juice that smells exactly like a cigar... to me personally its sweet.. or has a sweet finish. Its good, but its NOT like smoking a cigar (to me), except the aroma is similar.
All in all I consider the project a success, I just want authentic cigar.... and I think the only way for ME to get it is... lighting a cigar.
All in all I consider the project a success, I just want authentic cigar.... and I think the only way for ME to get it is... lighting a cigar.
As a long time cigar smoker, I agree that vaping is not the same at all. But by making my own NETs with cigars, it's good enough. Vaping made it easy for me to stop smoking cigars almost entirely for 3 years. Now I only have one in a social situation or a special occasion. My wife is very thankful for the vaping, so it's worth it from that perspective 
Now that I'm hot-wrapping my SS wicks with 28 ga kanthal at about 0.9 ohms, I get the same satisfying cloud which is very nice.
Now that I'm hot-wrapping my SS wicks with 28 ga kanthal at about 0.9 ohms, I get the same satisfying cloud which is very nice.
I'm in the same boat. While my cigar extracts are very nice, and certainly have the flavor profiles of the original cigar, they just don't have the intensity and depth of flavor that I love about the originals. Even using a high concentration of extract to VG/PG, the flavors are muted. An average cigar produces a LOT of extract using the current methods, so if we can find a way to distill the extract down to kick the flavor up to the level that we crave, we'd have the answer.
I know its possible...some of the commercial tobaccos extracts we have available are like sticky honey/tar in consistency, and have to be diluted heavily before use or they are overpowering. If that could be done to our cigar extracts at home without a huge investment in equipment, it may be the answer.
Time to do a little brainstorming.....
Yes, my reply is dated, but I just got my first batch of NET's done. Yup, I tried Backwoods, too. I recall smoking them around senior in high school years, which is over 3 decades ago.
I used 2 cigars, cut up as finely as I could, then did a crock-pot extract with a 24-hour cook of straight PG. After a couple stirs while cooking, I took the juice out of the crock hot and used the cotton ball/syringe filter, 3 passes. Once the juice cooled in a glass jar, I mixed it at about 16% with straight VG. Without steeping, this juice is already smooth and sweet. It reminds me of a NET I bought this summer.
I am currently cooking the same quantity of tobacco (2 cigars), but this time in a 50/50 blend of PG/VG. Because the two juices will have been completed within just a day or two of each other, I can check steeping changes as well.
Good luck to you on your cooking.
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I've tried heating in a pan in the past, but the microwave method produces great results as long as you don't "overcook" it and is far easier to do.
Start with about five seconds, and no more than about 10-15 seconds at the most. You don't want it to boil...just heat it to the point where it starts steaming a bit. If you get it too hot, it throws the flavor off and the resulting extract tastes "woody" or "grassy" (at least from my experience).
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I'm wondering if overcooking brings out more "vegetation" qualities along with tobacco specific qualities. There were some debates in the VG in a pan with high heat thread regarding this. I tried that method but basically tobacco just got fried in hot VG! It didn't smell that good after three seconds after it hit the pan. Some users say though it became great the day after.
Do you microwave only once 5-10 seconds until steaming, or multiple times with some rest time in between? Also, do you just use PG or a combination of VG+PG? Do you also filter immediately or after resting the mixture overnight?
I've done couple of extracts using American Spirits Organic cigarette tobacco. The first one was VG in microwave: 2 cigarettes in 15 mL of PG in a shot glass. But I might have overdone it since at 700 Watts power, I nuked it a total of 40s with rest time in between. I also did a slow cooker extract which lasted three days. The results seem to be pretty similar. But I need to steep the slow cooked one more since it's been only three days. I need to vape them side by side once the latest one steeps for at least two weeks.
Thanks.
I usually just do my extractions with PG and run mine through two 5 second cycles about five minutes apart, and let them steep overnight before I filter them. That seems to bring out the optimum flavor of the cigar. When I did one five-second cycle & extract right away, though the difference was subtle, the extract didn't seem to have as much "body".
Works for me....
Works for me....
Thanks for sharing. It sounds good. I like the the overnight steeping part, giving it some time to infuse more at room temperature without overdoing it.
By the way, are you doing this in a shot glass, about 2/3 full with tobacco and PG? I'm trying to get a sense of quantity vs microwave time...
Cheers
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Thanks for sharing. It sounds good. I like the the overnight steeping part, giving it some time to infuse more at room temperature without overdoing it.
By the way, are you doing this in a shot glass, about 2/3 full with tobacco and PG? I'm trying to get a sense of quantity vs microwave time...
Cheers
No problem... I use a shot-glass and finely chop about two inches of a cigar into it, then just cover it with PG. It normally results in around 10-15 ml of filtered extract (you'll never be able to recover all the PG, but don't worry about it). I then dilute the extract at roughly 10% with VG, and a few ml of distilled water (to thin it out a bit for better wicking). A 10% dilution will make at least 120+ ml of final juice, so its pretty efficient.
I then let it steep for a minimum of two weeks - I sometimes run it through an ultrasonic bath for an hour or so, which cuts the waiting time, but all tobacco extracts require time to develop. I add other flavors before I put them away for a few weeks to a month before they really start to shine.... with extracts, the longer you let them sit, the better they get.
Just the method I use...the hardest part is waiting to enjoy the fruits of your labors.
Enjoy
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Yeah, I know about waiting for my juices to steep
I completely agree about the efficiency. From 3 cigarettes, I got 30 mL of extract. I've been trying 25% dilution, even with that high level I'll get 120mL of juice.
I have one now that steeped for about 20 days and it's vaping pretty good -- VG in shot glass in microwave! Initially, it was smelling like microwave butter popcorn but now the tobacco is coming out pretty good. This is the one I wrote about, American Spirits Organic, I possibly overcooked it. Nevertheless, It's vaping fine now, But I think I can improve it and get more nuances out of it.... Hmm, OK, time to vape that now
Cheers
I completely agree about the efficiency. From 3 cigarettes, I got 30 mL of extract. I've been trying 25% dilution, even with that high level I'll get 120mL of juice.
I have one now that steeped for about 20 days and it's vaping pretty good -- VG in shot glass in microwave! Initially, it was smelling like microwave butter popcorn but now the tobacco is coming out pretty good. This is the one I wrote about, American Spirits Organic, I possibly overcooked it. Nevertheless, It's vaping fine now, But I think I can improve it and get more nuances out of it.... Hmm, OK, time to vape that now
Cheers
Question....I did my cigar extract from a La Gloria Cubana Serie R cigar. Those of you who are cigar aficionados should know that cigar.
When I finally mixed the extract with pg/vg to make juice to vape, all I added was the extract. So base + extract...that's it.
Do you cigar guys mix other things in also? If so: what?
Thanks...
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When I finally mixed the extract with pg/vg to make juice to vape, all I added was the extract. So base + extract...that's it.
Do you cigar guys mix other things in also? If so: what?
Thanks...
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LGC Serie R are GREAT cigars...I especially like the Maduros, even though I don't care for Maduros in general. If you have an hour or more to spare, they are outstanding (takes forever to smoke one, but you'll enjoy every minute
).I usually just dilute my extract about 10% with VG and vape away. Depending on the cigar, I might add a few drops of Vanilla flavoring (TPA), or if it turns out a little harsh, TPA also has something called "Smooth" - it really doesn't have any flavor per-se, but will knock the rough edges off most extracts and tend to balance things out. just a drop or two per 10 ml is all you need.
If you have a sweet tooth, you can add a drop or two of sweetener or Cotton Candy, but most cigar extracts generally taste a bit sweeter than the cigar itself.
I use my extracts as a base for all kinds of juices....any recipe that calls for a "tobacco" flavor, the cigar extracts fill the bill better than most commercially available tobacco flavors IMHO. Just pick flavors that you enjoy & add a drop or two...the possibilities are endless...
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Thanks for that.
I never dove into the diy juice the way I thought I would (so far anyway). So I didn't know if I was doing it wrong or not doing something I was supposed to.
As I said in an earlier post, I feel the extract was a success, but it's not a cigar alternative. It is a cigar inspired vape. And your so right about the sweet part....the resulting juice is sweet, that is not present in the cigar itself. (I thought it was just me)
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I never dove into the diy juice the way I thought I would (so far anyway). So I didn't know if I was doing it wrong or not doing something I was supposed to.
As I said in an earlier post, I feel the extract was a success, but it's not a cigar alternative. It is a cigar inspired vape. And your so right about the sweet part....the resulting juice is sweet, that is not present in the cigar itself. (I thought it was just me)
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I so can't wait to try this! I have a Rocky Patel American Markets I'll sacrifice some of to see how turns out.
Out curiosity does it make your house smell like a cigar or is it like a normal vape where the smell just disipates?
Out curiosity does it make your house smell like a cigar or is it like a normal vape where the smell just disipates?
Very little/or no odor at all. Most of the odor from cigars come from the burning of the leaf itself...have fun with it....
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