So the battery thing, I picked up a few of the flat top blue ones from MTBaker, those are safe in mechs yes? 18350 Flat Top Battery - Mt Baker Vapor - Electronic Cigarettes
Precise ELA Telescoping Mod by Super-T!
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I doubt it: doesn't say IMR ... AW IMR are red only... and you have be careful... there are fakes out there. Buy from reputable dealer; not saying MB isn't, but thats a different battery that what is suggested and I woudn't use it with LR resistances.
If you want a less expensive batt thats almost as good imo (some say as good or better) there is the eFest IMR.
I think David Super T recommends AW IMR...
Don't skimp on batteries friend, if money is the issue... safety and performance go hand in hand with a superior device.
And IMR AW are nipple top only i believe...
If you want a less expensive batt thats almost as good imo (some say as good or better) there is the eFest IMR.
I think David Super T recommends AW IMR...
Don't skimp on batteries friend, if money is the issue... safety and performance go hand in hand with a superior device.
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Boo. I bought 4 of them. I am planning on getting a zmax telescope. I guess I could use them in that.
hmmm, yeah may have tried my luck at cloud 9 before I got on a 4-6 mos list. Well water under the bridge now.
Yeah, you could do that... is the tele regulated? they might be ok for that, but i'd check out with the vendor as to what you are using them for. Find out what these batts are about.... you might want to ask for credit for something else in the store you could use.
If you add up what you spent on cigarettes.... etc... get good gear. just saying.
First world problems. Effrontery and entitlement attitudes like this are why I'm glad I'm not in retail. Just keep being patient.
David already did apologize -- not individually via email to each customer, but certainly here on the forum. He stated that when the project was first planned he didn't foresee the need to inspect and tweak so many components. But it's a pre-order, which you well know. There aren't very many pre-orders from any vendor where unanticipated delays don't occur. That's not just a Super-T thing.
And now there's going to be yet another delay because as soon as he sees your comment he's going to stop production long enough to respond to it. Thanks, retail customer.
This was addressed a couple of times earlier as well. The P+ and Simplicity are obviously not as complex as the ELA. Other people *are* performing the finishing and tweaking on those as needed, so they are absolutely not eating into David's attention on the ELA's.
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Early on in the shipping, Id agree. But based on if last 4 updates, hes made each of his estimates, with-in an order or 2.
06-14-2013, 03:08 PM: I got shipped thru order 14842 and have printed up and am working on through 15003
06-21-2013, 08:29 AM: Through 15009 has shipped. Working on through 15080
06-27-2013, 11:02 AM: will be printing out and working on through order 15126
07-08-2013, 08:07 AM: should have thru 15126 shipped by tomorrow Will be working on thru 15183 <---holiday in prior week
^^here in the states, we call this "armchair quarterbacking." it's INSANELY easy to sit back and critique someone else on who they should run their business and how they should go about making decisions and how YOU would do it if YOU were in charge and yadda yadda. Everyone makes the right choices and wins the game from their living rooms while watching others actually do it.
let me ask you:
have you built the community a RBA, quality mech mod, or any kind of juice feed system?
Have you cnc machined tight tolerance small parts?
Do you own and run a small business?
I have experience in only one of those 3 areas, myself. CNC tight tolerance small parts. And in my minimal experience, it is TIME CONSUMING. Not the CNCing of parts, because once you have working design, the CNC will knock the parts out pretty steady. Until you have to retool of course. What takes time is the quality control, deburring, threading, polishing/finishing, and assembling.
In my field of design engineering, when someone comes in to critique how we designed something and/or solved an issue, we have a common saying, where were you when my screen was blank? meaning, it EASY to make suggestions on design changes AFTER you see the design but not so simple when I have only a problem and a blank screen to start the design in the first place.
Why do you guys insist on saving a few pennies when it comes to your batteries.....??? Those look questionable.......
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Thanks for the insight on batteries, I guess I'll wrap a 2+ ohm coil 
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You obviously havent followed the thread to closely.... David has stated numerous times that he is the only person who does final assembly of all P+s/ELA's, puts a couple of hours into each unit... As far as Cloud9 goes they are listed on the SuperT website under distributors..Super T ~ Distributors Cloud9 sold out fast...Yadda yadda yadda bla bla bla
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I can completely understand your comments. As such, you can afford yourself a very simple and fast solution to your situation . . . Cancel your order and purchase a Chinese made mech. I read that they are readily available, built extremely well, and carry a life time warranty.
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<Dons a Flame ......ant Suit> Yadda yadda ya's aside, like it or not, COM76 has a couple of valid points, but my only real quibble is the multiple claims of having the first batch completely shipped by the end of a given week:
6/14
6/12
6/09
I don't mind waiting for a quality product, and I completely empathize with production delays and the need to maintain production on other items (I grew up working in machine shops and am a manager at a large fabrication facility now), but I just appreciate realistic estimates and being kept in the loop when hiccups (which are bound to happen) occur. Missing deadlines, self-imposed or otherwise, is commonplace, acceptable to a degree, and even somewhat expected for a labor intensive device such as this, but I find transparency and information goes a long way to mitigating people's concerns over delays.
I might as well keep that fireproof suit on for a while, as I'm sure to be a flame-magnet for these comments.
6/14
6/12
6/09
I don't mind waiting for a quality product, and I completely empathize with production delays and the need to maintain production on other items (I grew up working in machine shops and am a manager at a large fabrication facility now), but I just appreciate realistic estimates and being kept in the loop when hiccups (which are bound to happen) occur. Missing deadlines, self-imposed or otherwise, is commonplace, acceptable to a degree, and even somewhat expected for a labor intensive device such as this, but I find transparency and information goes a long way to mitigating people's concerns over delays.
I might as well keep that fireproof suit on for a while, as I'm sure to be a flame-magnet for these comments.
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Couldn´t agree more with you, we should at least get some kind of freebe, waiting twice as long is not aceptable under any circumstance, if you are not getting the job done on a timely manner, its as simple as hire people to help you
<Dons a Flame ......ant Suit> Yadda yadda ya's aside, like it or not, he has a couple of valid points, but my only real quibble is the multiple claims of having the first batch completely shipped by the end of a given week:
6/14
6/12
6/09
I don't mind waiting for a quality product, and I completely empathize with production delays and the need to maintain production on other items (I grew up working in machine shops and am a manager at a large fabrication facility now), but I just appreciate realistic estimates and being kept in the loop when hiccups (which are bound to happen) occur. Missing deadlines, self-imposed or otherwise, is commonplace, acceptable to a degree, and even somewhat expected for a labor intensive device such as this, but I find transparency and information goes a long way to mitigating people's concerns over delays.
I might as well keep that fireproof suit on for a while, as I'm sure to be a flame-magnet for these comments.
no flaming there. that is completely accurate and i've noted the same. Super-T has met the projected orders shipped per week...but i have been continuously surprised with the slightly aggressive claims to complete batch 1, when the time lines of the weekly orders support the batch 1 not to be completed in at least 2 more weeks.
I have tried many mods. Many mods. I finally got my first super T product earlier this year. I was amazed at the quality, I had always heard good things, but never had tried one. Once I got my first precise plus, I soon realized I wanted more, and more and more. I started snarling my nose up at other mods that I thought were great.
Super T didn't get to that standard by throwing crap together. They got to that standard by taking their time. Caring about the product. Caring about what goes out the door. I am thrilled that I am one of the lucky ones that has enough inside information to know these were available for pre-order no matter how long I had to wait. The mod is worth the wait, yes and I waited for 4 months.
David has repeatedly said that he was the only one doing quality control on these mods in their final stages. He has even shown pictures of peoples top caps who were worried about atties fitting ( I don't know who was worried about that, but shame on them ). To say you don't want to see that kind of customer service? If you don't want this kind of customer service, then I suggest you start contacting some filipinos, or chinese. They will surely give you your product in a timely manner, and screw you later when you have problems.
Projected timeline is just that, projected, hopeful, optimistic. Is there a problem with optimistic people? Blah!
I don't know you Com, but is this your first super T mod? If so, then just sit back and relax, once you get this mod, you will fully understand why it took so long to get to you. It will be absolutely stunning, then you will be ready to stand in line and do it again. Ha Ha
Super T didn't get to that standard by throwing crap together. They got to that standard by taking their time. Caring about the product. Caring about what goes out the door. I am thrilled that I am one of the lucky ones that has enough inside information to know these were available for pre-order no matter how long I had to wait. The mod is worth the wait, yes and I waited for 4 months.
David has repeatedly said that he was the only one doing quality control on these mods in their final stages. He has even shown pictures of peoples top caps who were worried about atties fitting ( I don't know who was worried about that, but shame on them
). To say you don't want to see that kind of customer service? If you don't want this kind of customer service, then I suggest you start contacting some filipinos, or chinese. They will surely give you your product in a timely manner, and screw you later when you have problems. Projected timeline is just that, projected, hopeful, optimistic. Is there a problem with optimistic people? Blah!
I don't know you Com, but is this your first super T mod? If so, then just sit back and relax, once you get this mod, you will fully understand why it took so long to get to you. It will be absolutely stunning, then you will be ready to stand in line and do it again. Ha Ha
<Dons a Flame ......ant Suit> Yadda yadda ya's aside, like it or not, he has a couple of valid points, but my only real quibble is the multiple claims of having the first batch completely shipped by the end of a given week:
6/14
6/12
6/09
I don't mind waiting for a quality product, and I completely empathize with production delays and the need to maintain production on other items (I grew up working in machine shops and am a manager at a large fabrication facility now), but I just appreciate realistic estimates and being kept in the loop when hiccups (which are bound to happen) occur. Missing deadlines, self-imposed or otherwise, is commonplace, acceptable to a degree, and even somewhat expected for a labor intensive device such as this, but I find transparency and information goes a long way to mitigating people's concerns over delays.
I might as well keep that fireproof suit on for a while, as I'm sure to be a flame-magnet for these comments.
You'll get no flames from me. That was a well-researched and well-reasoned comment. Most importantly, it contained no whining or impertinence. You were respectful and courteous while expressing a valid concern.
Being at the tail end of batch one myself I suffer along with everyone else. But I don't want to add to David's stress. In fact, I want to do what I can to make his job less stressful.
For one thing, the price of the ELA is similar to many other mods: the JM22, PAPS, and many others with multiple interchanging tubes; and a bigger bargain than some, such as the GGTS. It's a better mod than all of them -- easier 510 center pin adjustment, quicker battery change, lower voltage drop, less required routine maintenance, and the list goes on. While Super-T does not encourage or demand their customers to feel privileged for the opportunity to be customers, I still feel privileged. I consider the wait, the teasing and missed estimates to be my coupon code for a hell of a bargain. Also, the price of the ELA was set before David could accurately gauge how many hours went into making them. As he discovered that more work was needed, he didn't increase the price. I don't believe he's being suitably compensated for his time or experience on these.
So, in spite of the missed self-imposed deadlines, I'm grateful that there's any communication at all. He's doing the best he can with what he knows, and his estimates are improving.
^^ This disrespectful blather is what's worthy of flaming.
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I just hope he doesn't get pressured into slapping them together just to get them out the door. I've waited my time out, and it's almost time for my notice. I want, and expect, a proper super t mod. Two more weeks, or two more months, it doesn't matter, as long as the quality justifies the amount of time taken, then I consider it a fair arrangement.
No, I trust he will not. Regardless of the comments, his products still speak for themselves, at the end of the day.
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