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[DPLongo22]

I am speaking of republicanism as in constitutional republic, democratic republic and so on.
Nothing to do with the republican party.

I blame both political parties for the craziness of yesterday, today and tomorrow.


p.s. I said "Republicanism as in the United States" because the system doesn't exactly fit the dictionary definition of a republic.

Gotcha. And yes, both parties are to blame (except in their own minds). We gave up the republic some time ago. Which is why we're now seeing renewed interested in pursuance of Article V.

Hope remains, exactly as the brilliant people who wrote it all up had provided for.

"A republic, if they can keep it. "

 

[Woofer]

Gotcha. And yes, both parties are to blame (except in their own minds). We gave up the republic some time ago. Which is why we're now seeing renewed interested in pursuance of Article V.

Hope remains, exactly as the brilliant people who wrote it all up had provided for.

"A republic, if they can keep it. "

Yeah I find that kind of chilling. Those old time folks were pretty smart for peeps who had no Facebook and didn't even tweet.

 

[DPLongo22]

Yeah I find that kind of chilling. Those old time folks were pretty smart for peeps who had no Facebook and didn't even tweet.

Then how did they get on so many of today's memes?

 

[Woofer]

Then how did they get on so many of today's memes?

Because.

 

[DPLongo22]

Because.

They truly WERE amazing. The foresight it took, to place themselves in memes so we could use then 240 years later...

It boggles one's mind. [emoji23]

 

[ENAUD]

Yeah I find that kind of chilling. Those old time folks were pretty smart for peeps who had no Facebook and didn't even tweet.

They had time to think and meditate upon the results of their actions...

 

[WillyZee]

that's why we now have selfies ... future memes

 

[raitizz]

Worth the read.

As a lifelong English European, this is the biggest defeat of my political life | Timothy Garton Ash

R

 

[DPLongo22]

Worth the read.

As a lifelong English European, this is the biggest defeat of my political life | Timothy Garton Ash

R

It was. Thanks, R.

And just for the record, my "colonies" remark was just a poor attempt at humor, at a time when humor was probably inappropriate. Apologies...

I'll be back after I finish my mounds of research, so I'm able to reply to Ping intelligently.

That's a (bad) joke too, just by the way.

 

[WhiteHighlights]

Worth the read.

As a lifelong English European, this is the biggest defeat of my political life | Timothy Garton Ash

R

R, thanks for the good read.

I wasn't paying close attention to the referendum campaign, one because I couldn't do anything about it and two because the media portrayed it as if the Remain would win.

Now I want to understand the campaigns pro/con (rhetoric) because of the parallels with the US election in terms of perception of the issues and divisions. It's a scary time.

Vapers.Org.uk had this link on the leave side: http://www.fergusmason.com/i-voting-leave-eu/

A brief look both pro/con positions (need more coffee), there is more substance to base a decision on either way than the emotional immigrant argument that appeals to many.

 

[coldgin96]

Worth the read.

As a lifelong English European, this is the biggest defeat of my political life | Timothy Garton Ash

R

I talked to a gentleman in Ireland last night via Xbox Live who thought the UK leaving the EU was a very bad idea. His take on it was things we don't hear about over here. I still say it's their country, they had a vote and that's the way it is, tough. I certainly don't want other countries telling America how to handle our sovereignty, nor should America be telling others how to handle theirs.

I'd love it if America left the United Nations...

 

[VNeil]

I talked to a gentleman in Ireland last night via Xbox Live who thought the UK leaving the EU was a very bad idea. His take on it was things we don't hear about over here. I still say it's their country, they had a vote and that's the way it is, tough. I certainly don't want other countries telling America how to handle our sovereignty, nor should America be telling others how to handle theirs.

I'd love it if America left the United Nations...

Before I read your reply I was thinking about the distaste I have for the US federal govt. The disgrace of the War On vaping is just the tip of the iceberg. But the idea of ceding sovereignty to the UN is certainly not going to solve any problems here....

 

[LoriP1702]

I spoke with a friend from Wales yesterday.
I actually spoke with him (via FB) before the vote had been counted, he was confident that "Remain" would prevail.
When I spoke with him yesterday morning, he was extremely worried.

 

[LoriP1702]

@coldgin96 - did you see this?? This particular article doesn't show the billboard, but that pic is floating around...

Vapers are mad as hell, Detroit Mental Health Authority just found out - vaping.com

...sharing, just in case, well...ya know, in case you don't have enough to things to be PO's about.

ETA: Link to pic - detroit wayne mental health

 

[DPLongo22]

How about a brew, vape, and a cuban?

Here are my issues with Johnson and I was able to find his site after an exhausting google search.

Immigration: Make it easier not harder to enter our country?

Job Creation: Zero tax for business but tax the workers? Hello

Foreign Policy: The same as Trump has been saying plus Trump doesn't want to take in any refugees from Syria.

Criminal Justice reform: I agree potheads shouldn't be sent to prison. He only mentioned the leafy plant.

Education: Here is what he says. More broadly, Gov. Johnson believes there is no role for the Federal Government in education. He would eliminate the federal Department of Education, and return control to the state and local levels. He opposes Common Core and any other attempts to impose national standards and requirements on local schools, believing the key to restoring education excellence in the U.S. lies in the innovation, freedom and flexibility that federal interference inherently discourages.

Right out of the Trump playbook. Trump has been saying that from day one.

Abortion: He is totally wishy washy on the subject.

Tax code: Yup it is screwed up, but Mr Johnson isn't very clear on who pays taxes and who doesn't. Well a business won't pay any tax.

DP I did read and turned off Fox News too. What he left out was the 2nd Amendment entirely off his web site. Since it's a major topic I'm concerned about why his Presidential web site is avoiding the subject.

OK. Sorry it took so long but I couldn't find my library card.

Let me start by stating that I am registered unaffiliated (and will be for life). Also, as a parent who believed that Dr. Brazelton began the downfall of this country (or at least helped), the value of a good spanking should not be underrated.

BOTH parties have proven that they're unable to handle the responsibilities before them. Politics has been tremendously nasty from Day One, but what we have now is ridiculous. A sobering SMACK might pull both parties out of their American Idol mentalities, and MAYBE they'd start doing their jobs, instead of trying to win the vote of public opinion. Cases in point, presenting bills with the actual intention, not of passing them, but of making the other guys vote against them. Children, please...

Now - to your points (to the best of my ability).

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Immigration: Make it easier not harder to enter our country?
My understanding is that it would be easier to obtain a WORK visa (good for one day), but NOT easier in general. This could actually work, if played correctly. I have no personal answers to the immigration issue, but I don't believe that a wall is either realistic or productive.

Job Creation: Zero tax for business but tax the workers? Hello
Hello what? Are you familiar with how states have been bolstering their economies for decades, using that exact same principle? It's when they pull out that the trouble begins, ironically enough. I'd LOVE to discuss this one in great detail with you (or anyone), having grown up in what became known as The Gold Coast...

Foreign Policy: The same as Trump has been saying plus Trump doesn't want to take in any refugees from Syria.
All candidates have issues in this area. Expectations that anything would be clear, and practical, by the time of the election would be delusional.

Criminal Justice reform: I agree potheads shouldn't be sent to prison. He only mentioned the leafy plant.
Another broad issue that will require ANY candidate time in office, to see what can actually be accomplished. The ultimate message is that if it's not hurting someone directly, it would probably be legal.

Not that he, or anyone, could actually accomplish such a thing.

Education: Here is what he says. More broadly, Gov. Johnson believes there is no role for the Federal Government in education. He would eliminate the federal Department of Education, and return control to the state and local levels. He opposes Common Core and any other attempts to impose national standards and requirements on local schools, believing the key to restoring education excellence in the U.S. lies in the innovation, freedom and flexibility that federal interference inherently discourages.

Right out of the Trump playbook. Trump has been saying that from day one.
Wait - please tell me that you're not giving opposition to Common Core credit to Trump. He far from originated the idea. Most people with any common sense saw CC as a power grab by a union. And an idiotic one at that.

Abortion: He is totally wishy washy on the subject.
In WHAT way? I believe his stance is, "Always come down on the side of choice."

Tax code: Yup it is screwed up, but Mr Johnson isn't very clear on who pays taxes and who doesn't. Well a business won't pay any tax.
Again, I disagree. He is for a single consumption tax, somewhere in the 20-28% range. Irrelevant since it will NEVER happen. The lobbyists have too much power, and you can throw this idea out with the trash.

That being said, it IS a good idea. I've been a one-tax guy since Steve Forbes (actually, before that even).

I say everybody pays 15-20% (ZERO deductions). I'll give them up to EOB Monday, but starting Tuesday, I want it all. Fairly simple approach.

DP I did read and turned off Fox News too. What he left out was the 2nd Amendment entirely off his web site. Since it's a major topic I'm concerned about why his Presidential web site is avoiding the subject.
Again, Ping, he's been very clear. He supports the 2nd Amendment. I don't know what the website says, but anyone who follows the party knows that this is NOT questionable. It's one of the primary parts of the platform.

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And please notice that I have not picked apart, and pointed out discrepancies (or idiotic statements), by your candidate of choice. That would take a few weeks, but again, is irrelevant. You believe the Republicans aren't part of the problem, and I do not. It's that simple.

In my opinion, they all need that spanking. And voting L this year would do exactly that. The interesting thing is that, for the first time, the most qualified ticket is the 3rd party. Two two-term, successful governors, both Republican (at the time) who did fine in mainly Democratic states. Bi-partisan? As you said, "Hello?".

Let Freedom Ring.

Johnson/Weld, 2016

Don't worry, Ping. The powers that be are already clearly squashing all efforts (as they always do). And the sheep that has become of The People will continue to follow, blindly to our peril...

Our last chance will be Article V (if we don't see civil war first). Fingers crossed, with hope hanging by a thread.

 

[coldgin96]

@coldgin96 - did you see this?? This particular article doesn't show the billboard, but that pic is floating around...

Vapers are mad as hell, Detroit Mental Health Authority just found out - vaping.com

...sharing, just in case, well...ya know, in case you don't have enough to things to be PO's about.

ETA: Link to pic - detroit wayne mental health

Yeah, I called them the same day everyone over at the deeming regs thread did.

 

[VNeil]

@coldgin96 - did you see this?? This particular article doesn't show the billboard, but that pic is floating around...

Vapers are mad as hell, Detroit Mental Health Authority just found out - vaping.com

...sharing, just in case, well...ya know, in case you don't have enough to things to be PO's about.

ETA: Link to pic - detroit wayne mental health

From the link...
Some might take the view that a mental health organisation should not be attacked like this. To be honest, I feel pretty queasy about it.

I don't feel queasy at all about a citizen uprising against that organization disseminating what they know to be outright lies that will result in Keeping America Smoking, resulting in a tremendous hit to public health. What good is mental health when you are fighting a losing battle against lung cancer or emphysema ?????

 

[LoriP1702]

Yeah, I called them the same day everyone over at the deeming regs thread did.

Ok, wasn't sure.
I think I've read just way too much that last month and a half. I think my brain has cried "Uncle" and just stopped processing things.

 

[LoriP1702]

From the link...
Some might take the view that a mental health organisation should not be attacked like this. To be honest, I feel pretty queasy about it.

I don't feel queasy at all about a citizen uprising against that organization disseminating what they know to be outright lies that will result in Keeping America Smoking, resulting in a tremendous hit to public health. What good is mental health when you are fighting a losing battle against lung cancer or emphysema ?????

Oh, I definitely had the same reaction as you.
That was just a link I could quickly grab.

I'm sure they do a lot of good in the area, and I'm sure it's sorely needed, but they picked the wrong thing to attack, clearly without any research, or unbiased research on their part. Sad. But it (again) shows the times we're living through. Facts don't matter, scientific, or otherwise, only public perception.

 

[LoriP1702]

...auto finish just absolutely pisses me off!! Grrrr, I have to go back and edit so many flipping posts...

...anyway...carry on.
I'm off to go eat breakfast and pretend I have a life outside of ECF.

...at least for a half hour or so.