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I just hope to god that ProVape releases a 100-200W device in the next few months.
Just to stay relevant. Safety be damned.
Whether they will or won't we again don't know. But one thing I'd be willing to bet the farm on is they still would ONLY if it is with Provape Safety in full force.
This is all going to be very interesting whatever happens ... I can't believe how many lives this is going to affect.
There are a few vapers we meet with outside of the building where I work ... not one has even heard about deeming regs.
When I told them they were just announced ... they were like, really? ... never heard of this before
The one guy is already back on cigarettes ... the Harvard thing scared him back to smoking
There are a few vapers we meet with outside of the building where I work ... not one has even heard about deeming regs.
When I told them they were just announced ... they were like, really? ... never heard of this before
The one guy is already back on cigarettes ... the Harvard thing scared him back to smoking
Meh. You know what I mean.
If ProVape wants their pre-deeming legacy to be the manufacturer of a few 15W mods and a couple of 40-50W ones, I feel sorry for them. Not a sustainable business plan IMO.
As a person with a very strong (in my mind) business and marketing background, I would personally market anything I could prior to the Aug date. Within reason, of course.
The certification process as it stands would be cost prohibitive to eLeaf and Kanger let alone ProVape. I am reading thru the entire FDA doc and it is a complete gong show.
Seriously, if anyone in America thinks Trump being president is nutty, have them read the FDA doc. Talk about superficial contradictory drivel. Crazy.
Vapers in America are all about to get seriously bent over.... And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 2 years from now will look a lot different than today IMO.
Here's a sobering thought. Since I quit smoking, the state of Florida has lost $3660 in exise and state taxes from me not buying smokes. That's from me alone. Now if 25% of the smokers in the state stopped smoking, that would be somewhat of a big loss. In 2015, the state of Florida had about 19,600,000 residents. I tried to figure out how many are of adult or smoking age, and the best I can figure is not less than 60% of the total population. So, let's say 12,000,000 minimum. They say 4 - 5 of 10 adult people smoke cigarettes. So, there are potentially 4,800,000 smokers in the state.
On an annual basis, just from one adult smoker, who smoked 1 pack of cigarettes a day the state loses $2/day per person who quits smoking. Let's say that 25% of the current smoking population in Florida stops buying smokes. That's 1,200,000 times $2/day = $2,400,000 lost revenue from exise and state taxes every single day. Per week, that = $16,800,000/week, which translates to $863,600,000 lost revenue per year.
And we wonder why our government and the states don't want us to quit smoking.
On an annual basis, just from one adult smoker, who smoked 1 pack of cigarettes a day the state loses $2/day per person who quits smoking. Let's say that 25% of the current smoking population in Florida stops buying smokes. That's 1,200,000 times $2/day = $2,400,000 lost revenue from exise and state taxes every single day. Per week, that = $16,800,000/week, which translates to $863,600,000 lost revenue per year.
And we wonder why our government and the states don't want us to quit smoking.
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Meh. You know what I mean.
If ProVape wants their pre-deeming legacy to be the manufacturer of a few 15W mods and a couple of 40-50W ones, I feel sorry for them. Not a sustainable business plan IMO.
As a person with a very strong (in my mind) business and marketing background, I would personally market anything I could prior to the Aug date. Within reason, of course.
The certification process as it stands would be cost prohibitive to eLeaf and Kanger let alone ProVape. I am reading thru the entire FDA doc and it is a complete gong show.
Seriously, if anyone in America thinks Trump being president is nutty, have them read the FDA doc. Talk about superficial contradictory drivel. Crazy.
Vapers in America are all about to get seriously bent over.... And I mean that in the nicest possible way. 2 years from now will look a lot different than today IMO.
I don't really agree with you Brent. I don't believe Provape's legacy has anything to do with the wattage in a Provari. Nope. Nadda. Provape's legacy is and always will be in the safety, accuracy and longevity of their mods. High watts, a great mod does not make. At least to the vast majority of us.
I DID NOT come here to read fancy math tricks!
But you are right. If nobody in America smoked and the life expectancy was increased to 85-90. The govt would be broke in a matter or years.
We are all reading too much into all of this but $10 says that Blu, Vuse, Njoy et al are already well down the certification process track.
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Oh I totally agree with you.
Unfortunately 15W will very almost certainly be irrelevant in 2-3 years. If the deeming regs are as I read them, we will see 300W+ mods released by August just to stay relevant.
I am more than good with what I have, but a new vaper won't be buying a $200 20W P3 in 2017 when one can buy a 500W Reuleaux or Kanger for $40.
I guess your idea of "relevant" and my idea of "relevant" are not the same. If high watts made any difference to me, or to most of us, we wouldn't be the Provarinati.
The common thread over the last few pages has been the irrationality, greed and crony capitalism associated with this FDA decree.
Just to bare my breast: a few years ago I was a fairly typical liberal kind of guy, who thought that the government was a beneficent force in our society.
Without getting into very long stories, I did come to understand my error in judgment on this matter.
But, I think we need to understand that we, that vaping are not specifically the targets. It is simply that our government has grown too large, has become too intrusive, and too wedded to its relationships with other large organizations (e.g. big corporations), and forgotten that it is a servant to the people, not the master.
It's no different than what happened after the 2008 financial crisis. None of those folks were punished, we certainly were. You don't easily turn against your bed mate. We're getting punished again.
Yes, I signed the petition, and always did what CASAA suggested, and will keep on.
But, frankly what's needed is a total rethink of the purpose, nature and behavior of our governments.
It goes way beyond us and vaping.
Just to bare my breast: a few years ago I was a fairly typical liberal kind of guy, who thought that the government was a beneficent force in our society.
Without getting into very long stories, I did come to understand my error in judgment on this matter.
But, I think we need to understand that we, that vaping are not specifically the targets. It is simply that our government has grown too large, has become too intrusive, and too wedded to its relationships with other large organizations (e.g. big corporations), and forgotten that it is a servant to the people, not the master.
It's no different than what happened after the 2008 financial crisis. None of those folks were punished, we certainly were. You don't easily turn against your bed mate. We're getting punished again.
Yes, I signed the petition, and always did what CASAA suggested, and will keep on.
But, frankly what's needed is a total rethink of the purpose, nature and behavior of our governments.
It goes way beyond us and vaping.
We can agree to disagree, but our idea of relevant is a tiny corner of the overall vaping market.
My point was that I believe ProVape should do everything they can to remain relevant moving forward, and do it quick.
Yes, we can agree to disagree, because Provape is relevant and putting out a high watt device won't make them more relevant. At least in my opinion.
I think a realistic number is about 20% of the population smokes, down from like 55% back in the 60's - 70's, don't quote me on that, it is just a somewhat fuzzy recollection from reading stuff.
What makes ProVape forever relevant to me personally IS their 15 watt clunky click me a million times menu V2-V2.5 slant top ProVari. These things just keep on ticking, and ticking, and ticking...there is a reason I own over twenty V2 ProVari mods, the reason being, I know that with them I will be able to keep on vaping for as long as my lungs are sucking air and my heart is beating. I cloud up my house every single day at about 8 watts, it's all in making the most of what gear you have available. I for one am quite thankful of ProVape and the mods they have produced to help me keep off the smokes.
I will remain irrelevant vaping my 15W on one of my many ProVarii.
Also, 15W on my 75W mods....
I am very thankful for my 20 Provari's AND I'm confident I can vape for many, many years and not have to worry about the deeming regs. It's the people who have not prepared, who haven't even come to know vaping...so many lives will be lost because of this. It breaks my heart. My son, my best friend, my cousins all still slaves to cigarettes, and now may never have the chance to break free of them with vaping like I have. I have Provari's to share, but atties is another story. Last night I bought eight more KFLs to put in the top of the closet hoping that they will do my loved ones and friends some good in the future along with a trusty 2.5
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