Provari and Variable Wattage.

[steved5600]

Indeed. The precious Provari is going to be extinct soon with that market plan. It is as I predicted.

In the MEANTIME, you can wait in line for a Texas Select Vapor "Stallion" which is a VV/VW (!) device with a 22650 Lithium Manganese (HUGE) battery (and it comes with 2 and a charger). It's made in America, MSRP is $175 and it kicks ..... I believe it also has the DNA12 chip in it which is the same technology that the Darwin uses. That's why they sold out so fast (a Darwin is even harder to get, ugly, and goes for $250 before batteries and a charger). VW is the way of the future, VV is the way of the past. Why do maths or reference a table or chart when you can simply plug and play? No one wants to learn Ohm's Law. I only did it for funsies.

You can sign up on the waiting list here:
The Stallion - Advanced Personal Vaporizer - Mod - APV | Texas Select Vapor

and if you want to drool over what it was before the new modifications you can do so here:
The Stallion APV

The Zmax has issues of output inaccuracy, and durability. If you look inside one the circuitboard is what your batteries connect to. A simple vertical drop, squeezing too big of a size of batteries in there without the proper endcap and the thing starts acting weird on you. That's too fragile for my taste. There are fresh vids of this problem posted on my blog (link's in the signature - go there and click the Handbook link at the top). I'd say pass on the Zmax for now (which is in its second version already and it barely got released). Now it has an 8th menu screen for RMS; Root Mean Square (PWM - Pulse Width Modulation) adjustment which really apparently doesn't help the accuracy issue. Highly technical stuff I'm saying, but the end result is a substandard product that's (IMO) not ready for market, as is often the case (but not always), with China.

If you just want to get in the door for cheap, and you can get past the formfactor of a box mod, I'd recommend a Smoktech VV Gripper. At ~$60 a pop (sometimes $55 go with Vaporbeast and tell Tim Campbell that Shoga sent you. You'll probably get a free gift and all orders are free shipping) you really can't go wrong. They're durable and they do everything a Provari can for a fraction of the price. Sure they're a little inaccurate in the output, but it's not a big deal for that price range. Plus if you drop one it will bounce instead of scratch like a Provari or a Zmax would. Win.

Because doing the math will save me some money until the mind reading APV comes out. LOL
When you buy something like this your a beta tester. Just like with the fist gen of digital mobile phones. I will wait until they work the bugs out and there will be. Having worked in the tech field I know that a Mfg. will get it to a point where they will release it and let the customer find the flaws.

 

[chrisromano590]

with all the devieces coming out now i still cant get my sights off the mini provari in black. i cant stand all the shinny metal of the zmax the stalion is huge the darwin is awkward and the madvapes tubemod is a little funky looking in those colors. the provari is so clean and sharp looking in my opinion.

 

[qccraig]

I don't consider $160 to be all that high cost. It is only a high cost if something better is just around the corner.

There is a market for a high quality, reliable VW device. If provape doesn't address that market, someone else will. Believe it, they are coming.

It would be foolish of Provape to not develop a VW option. Research, development, and testing are part of their business, so they better be doing it.

Of course, if they buy in huge bulk to reduce their costs, they may be sitting on a year's worth of VV boards or something in which case it makes sense for them to try to use those up before introducing a new board.

I agree with your comments, $160 is not unreasonable considering all the other VV devices are around $100 plus. Not to mention, I think the safety features built into a Provari out shine many other mods.

I'd like to see ProVape build a nice VW bottom feeder that uses an 18650. If they have good management, I'm sure a good portion of their profits are going to R&D.

CraigW

 

[elmattias]

I agree with your comments, $160 is not unreasonable considering all the other VV devices are around $100 plus. Not to mention, I think the safety features built into a Provari out shine many other mods.

I'd like to see ProVape build a nice VW bottom feeder that uses an 18650. If they have good management, I'm sure a good portion of their profits are going to R&D.

CraigW

doubt we'd ever get a bottom feeder out of provape...vw I can see,I believe if it happens though it will probably be a hybrid like the zmax, except the execution would be nearly flawless...

however, the provari differences between v1 and v2 weren't all that drastic...a vw chipset is going to take awhile to develop and test...not to mention operating system tweaks they may throw onto it...many things can happen and we can sit here and play theorycraft all day...but until provape decides to play it's next card, we'll never know.

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[ShogaNinja]

Okay, thats what confusing me here.If youre a veteran vaper why the hell would you vape using a lot of different resistances to start with? You see MANY people on these forums who only use Boges at 2.0, 2.4 etc.The same thing goes for Smoktek.I use Smoktek single coil 1.7ohm prepunched cartos exclusively because thats what works for me.

From where Im sitting it sounds like you expect the rest of us to make the jump to variable wattage to make up for your own shortcomings.I could probably write a few more paragraphs abut how being wish-washy is not a very desirable trait in a man and about how companies shouldnt go out of their way to enable that kind of thinking but I'll keep it short and sweet. If thats the best argument you have for going to variable wattage them Im sticking with my "outdated" Provari.

Nah, if you've got one and know how to use it and vape happily that would be foolish. I'm sure you know by now what resistance = the best voltage = the best vape for you.

VWs are better, but who cares. Provari does need to get with the program or they're going to be lost with a quickness.

 

[ShogaNinja]

Because doing the math will save me some money until the mind reading APV comes out. LOL
When you buy something like this your a beta tester. Just like with the fist gen of digital mobile phones. I will wait until they work the bugs out and there will be. Having worked in the tech field I know that a Mfg. will get it to a point where they will release it and let the customer find the flaws.

Well, I can agree with that. As you may have noted the beta testing has already been done on all three of those products and 2 of the three have come out on top. I showed both sides of the spectrum. The cheaper alternative, or what may be an improvement on the Provari. Don't act like I didn't.

 

[zapped]

Nah, if you've got one and know how to use it and vape happily that would be foolish. I'm sure you know by now what resistance = the best voltage = the best vape for you.

VWs are better, but who cares. Provari does need to get with the program or they're going to be lost with a quickness.

I disagree and many of the comments in this thread have proven that if you bother to read through them all. Modders and tinkerers dont make up the majority of Provapes customer base and never will.

IMO the community would be better served if one or two of the RBA guys came out with their own VW mod. They certainly have the machining skills, technical know-how and loyal following to make it work.

 

[GalenCopes]

I disagree and many of the comments in this thread have proven that if you bother to read through them all. Modders and tinkerers dont make up the majority of Provapes customer base and never will.

IMO the community would be better served if one or two of the RBA guys came out with their own VW mod. They certainly have the machining skills, technical know-how and loyal following to make it work.

On the idea that modders and tinkerers not making up the majority of Provari users I completely disagree. If anyone is going to use rebuildables, they will also be the ones who also want a mod with more features. I know plenty of people who are perfectly happy with an EgO and cart. It is the person who is looking for more that is going to purchase both a rebuildable and an APV.

Galen

 

[Doogmar]

I would like to see the Provari have VV and VW. Not sure what the big deal is if it has it. The more options the better, and if Provape does it, they'll do it right. I have a Provari that's only 3 weeks old, but I would buy a Provari backup if they came out with a VV/VW model.

 

[Baditude]

I think Provape just might be perfectly content to continue to make what many consider to be the best variable voltage APV. They likely will purchase the rights for the DNA-120 from Evolv for their R & D, but I wouldn't expect them to release a variable wattage APV until it has been as perfected right out of the box like the Provari 2. And that could be a year or more from now, if they ever do so at all.

It's very possible that after all the initial enthusiasm for VW, it may come down to being pratical and useful for a limited number of customers when all is said and done. I'm only theorizing here and of course it is only my opinion. Allow me that. It might actually be quite useful for many customers, but for many others it's benefits may not appear all that intriguing or useful. As others have pointed out, you can get to the same sweet spot in a variety of different ways.

I'm not against progressive technology. In fact I welcome it. Just do it right from the start and not put out a device that has major flaws. It's ridiculous how the Far East manufacturers put out what amounts to be nothing more than beta test devices, and then every month put out v2, v3, etc. I will never buy stuff in that way, but that's just me I guess.

That's one of the things I admire about Provape. When they introduce a product it works as advertised right out of the box. True, Provape did respond to some of their customers' desires to upgrade the original Provari by increasing it's amp limit, but that is to their credit to even offer to upgrade an already sold item. Not every Provari v1 customer wanted or needed the upgrade. The point I want to make is I don't know of any other company in this business who is willing to do that for their already sold products. Someone said the Z-max v2 has corrected the output issues that v1 had. Tell me, has Smoktech offered to fix the output issues on its earlier models?

Whether Provape decides to add variable wattage or not, there will continue to be a market for such a high quality product that the Provari is. As long as a device continues to be well made in the manner as the Provari is, there will always be a market for it based on longstanding reputation, high quality build, and customer service. Just look at Altsmoke's Silver Bullet. It is essentually a bare-bones mechanical mod, not inexpensive at $85, but it has continued to sell well because of its excellent manufacturing, reputation for durability, and great customer service.

 

[elmattias]

I think Provape just might be perfectly content to continue to make what many consider to be the best variable voltage APV. They likely will purchase the rights for the DNA-120 from Evolv for their R & D, but I wouldn't expect them to release a variable wattage APV until it has been as perfected right out of the box like the Provari 2. And that could be a year or more from now, if they ever do so at all.

It's very possible that after all the initial enthusiasm for VW, it may come down to being pratical and useful for a limited number of customers when all is said and done. I'm only theorizing here and of course it is only my opinion. Allow me that. It might actually be quite useful for many customers, but for many others it's benefits may not appear all that intriguing or useful. As others have pointed out, you can get to the same sweet spot in a variety of different ways.

I'm not against progressive technology. In fact I welcome it. Just do it right from the start and not put out a device that has major flaws. It's ridiculous how the Far East manufacturers put out what amounts to be nothing more than beta test devices, and then every month put out v2, v3, etc. I will never buy stuff in that way, but that's just me I guess.

That's one of the things I admire about Provape. When they introduce a product it works as advertised right out of the box. True, Provape did respond to some of their customers' desires to upgrade the original Provari by increasing it's amp limit, but that is to their credit to even offer to upgrade an already sold item. Not every Provari v1 customer wanted or needed the upgrade. The point I want to make is I don't know of any other company in this business who is willing to do that for their already sold products. Someone said the Z-max v2 has corrected the output issues that v1 had. Tell me, has Smoktech offered to fix the output issues on its earlier models?

Whether Provape decides to add variable wattage or not, there will continue to be a market for such a high quality product that the Provari is. As long as a device continues to be well made in the manner as the Provari is, there will always be a market for it based on longstanding reputation, high quality build, and customer service. Just look at Altsmoke's Silver Bullet. It is essentually a bare-bones mechanical mod, not inexpensive at $85, but it has continued to sell well because of its excellent manufacturing, reputation for durability, and great customer service.

100% agree, while i welcome variable wattage, right now its just a big deal because the technology is the new kid on the block, wait for the new car smell to fade a bit and i'm sure that some folks will still prefer VV....i agree that VW is great technology, but in all honesty i think it's geared to perfectly suit the newer vapers rather than the more experienced that know their equipment and what they like to push on it....where a new vaper can find/set a sweet spot and forget about it for awhile and not have to worry about reading resistances and doing math.

 

[GalenCopes]

Why in the world would anyone want to do extra math? Do you just enjoy it? It reminds me of a Med Physics class where my professor gave us 1,000 math problems as homework. We could either use calculators or Excel to accomplish the task. Guess what method everyone chose!

Galen

 

[GalenCopes]

Damned double post!

I guess I could add, I really have been perfectly happy with my 3 button $50 lava tube also!

Galen

 

[elmattias]

Damned double post!

I guess I could add, I really have been perfectly happy with my 3 button $50 lava tube also!

Galen

since you are using the LT, you should know you are one of the ones using the extra math method of getting the 8 watts XD

its not the extra math though, seriously, i've stressed it thus far, its performance, its not so much a difference between 7 watts and 8 watts, its the difference between 7 watts and 7.2 watts, its about finding what works for you with a particular juice/device.....and the accuracy of those measurements, as well as the vape quality from first vape to last vape on that battery charge....

 

[GalenCopes]

At my age, I can't read the damned little screen. I just adjust up until I am happy or down if I taste a burned taste. I just don't want to do this every time I try a rebuilt atomizer on my unit, hence the WANT for VW. To be perfectly honest, the only reason I ordered a ZMax was my replacement cheap-assed lavatube replacement I bought has threads that won't fit my Vivi Novas. Hell, even the Vivi Nova that came with it won't fit it!

Galen

 

[junkman]

100% agree, while i welcome variable wattage, right now its just a big deal because the technology is the new kid on the block, wait for the new car smell to fade a bit and i'm sure that some folks will still prefer VV....i agree that VW is great technology, but in all honesty i think it's geared to perfectly suit the newer vapers rather than the more experienced that know their equipment and what they like to push on it....where a new vaper can find/set a sweet spot and forget about it for awhile and not have to worry about reading resistances and doing math.

Why on earth if you have a choice between the 2 would you prefer VV over VW all else the same? It makes no sense. What is the benefit of reading the resistances and doing the math if you don't have to?

It isn't just because it is the new tech, it is just a better approach.

That doesn't mean people will love the $40 VW 18650 mod I saw today - in fact the will probably be disappointed in it even at that low price, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle now that VW is upon us.

 

[Baditude]

Why on earth if you have a choice between the 2 would you prefer VV over VW all else the same? It makes no sense. What is the benefit of reading the resistances and doing the math if you don't have to?

This. I have found what works for me, and no math is involved at all. I use the same resistance cartomizer in every one of my dozen cartotanks. My only issue is each tank has its own flavor, which may or may not use the same wattage or voltage depending on its individual sweet spot. I either remember what voltage I like to vape that flavor or adjust up or down in increments until I find its sweet spot with the crazy one button menu system that you so adore.

 

[junkman]

This. I have found what works for me. I use the same resistance cartomizer in every one of my dozen cartotanks. My only issue is each tank has its own flavor, which may or may not use the same wattage or voltage depending on its individual sweet spot. I either remember what voltage I like to vape that flavor at and adjust up or down with the crazy one button menu system that you so adore.

OK, so Baditude, lets say you are looking to buy a new variable power device. In this scenario, you have narrowed down to 2 devices. One with VV only and one with VW and VV. Everything else is exactly the same, manufactured by the same people, same materials, same buttons same menu system except the menu includes a way to change the control to either VV or VW.

Are you telling me you would choose the VV device?

 

[elmattias]

Why on earth if you have a choice between the 2 would you prefer VV over VW all else the same? It makes no sense. What is the benefit of reading the resistances and doing the math if you don't have to?

It isn't just because it is the new tech, it is just a better approach.

That doesn't mean people will love the $40 VW 18650 mod I saw today - in fact the will probably be disappointed in it even at that low price, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle now that VW is upon us.

as stated, its not about the math, you all keep missing my point....it's like beating a dead horse in this debate with all you VW fanboys....i have to ask, have you even tried a VW device?

all that though is besides the point....i've stated it before, this is about performance, i can fine tune my wattage better with VV, and galen, you proved my point earlier about any vaper worth his salt can find the sweet spot blindfolded on an atomizer. thanks....this is about trying to find a number that works for you on the device you are using, sure, VW is nice, but is it absolutely necessary? no. so i ask...what is necessary?

knowing your device and knowing what you like to vape at with that device is certainly necessary, and in my previous analogy it came up like this:

provari set at 4.9 volts with a 3 ohm atomizer=8 watts

darwin set at 8 watts with the same 3 ohm atomizer = 4.9 volts

you are using two different numbers to get the same result....if you play around with a device long enough, you know the number for that device+atty combo and there is no math involved...the only time you turn the dial is when you switch your juice delivery a lot, or you are one of the many habitual vivi nova fanboys as well, and you rebuild into different resistances...and even then i can probably set the voltage on any one of my devices blindfolded without having to do math on a RBA and get the same result.

so once again i'll say it: forget the math, think performance. again i'll say another thing: this is a two horse race right now, its provari and darwin, i don't see any other mod out right now that can compete with the raw performance and efficiency, and i don't see any VW device coming out that is going to be much of a game changer, at least not until DNA20 is in modder hands.

 

[elmattias]

edit: the forum hates me and forced me to double post. apologies.