Provari V3?

[VapoJoe86]

You postulate here that when switching out your 2 ohm coil at 8 watts (your sweet spot) for a 1.5 ohm coil, your VW will auto adjust the voltage to match the 8 watts, thus hitting that same sweet spot.
Sounds good.

Except I postulate that the sweet spot on a 2 ohm coil is different on a 1.5 ohm coil. And that you would have to adjust the wattage somewhat to regain that sweet spot st a slightly difference wattage.

I further postulate that some vapers cannot tell their sweet spot from a hole in the ground, and that their vaping experience is neither improved Nor lessened by the inclusion or absence of VW.

I personally don't expect VW to either simplify or improve my VV vaping experience.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement about a 1.5 ohm coil and a 2 ohm coil having different wattage "sweet spots" based solely on the fact that they are of varying resistance. Power is what your coil is delivering. Voltage is output from the battery, creating current flow through your resistor, and the end result is power. Therefore if two coils are delivering the same power, they in fact are delivering the same experience.

I won't however disagree with your statement about many vapers not knowing their sweet spot because I honestly don't know if it's true or not. However, VW is just as easy to adjust as VV. That being said, VW is especially useful for people who do know their sweet spot.

 

[Baditude]

I purchase all of my cartomizers at the same resistance. Same brand, same ohm rating. No big deal that the resistance may be off by +/- 0.2 ohm. That small of a variation doesn't phase me.

I switch flavors at least 3 - 4 times a day, and I change the voltage according to the flavor. Heck, I may change the voltage just because its later in the day or I'm having a beer on the weekend.

No way are all of my flavors going to be at their best at a particular wattage or voltage. I "tweek" my settings too much. Maybe I'm the rare vapor, but VW would serve no practical purpose for me.

I understand that others are different from myself. They may use multiple types of coils at different resistances. Maybe they have an all day vape and use the same wattage for that flavor. Perhaps for these people variable wattage serves a purpose.

 

[stevegmu]

Let's talk a little bit about all of your coils being about the same resistance. Even coils purchased directly from a reputable company like Kanger say on the box that they have a tolerance of +/- 0.2 ohms. Therefore, if somebody were to purchase two 2 ohm coils, in reality one of them might be 1.9 ohms and the other 2.1 ohms. If these coils are operated at the same voltage they would produce a different experience from one another. This is a fact. If you wanted these two coils to produce the same experience, adjustments would be needed to compensate. However, if they were operated at the same wattage they would produce the exact same experience with no adjustments. That was the point of my example, and that is why VW is a useful feature. If you can prove to me that VW is a useless feature/gimmick, I will stop replying to your posts. I can respect the fact that you don't like VW. I cannot however respect the idea that VW is useless or gimmicky in any way.

You really have to wonder how so many satisfied ProVari owners are able to get by with VV...

Perhaps because we are capable of pressing a button and adjusting power to taste; others aren't. I don't check resistance when changing toppers; I check the flavor after a vape and adjust accordingly.

 

[VapoJoe86]

I purchase all of my cartomizers at the same resistance. Same brand, same ohm rating. No big deal that the resistance may be off by +/- 0.2 ohm. That small of a variation doesn't phase me.

I switch flavors at least 3 - 4 times a day, and I change the voltage according to the flavor. Heck, I may change the voltage just because its later in the day or I'm having a beer on the weekend.

No way are all of my flavors are going to be at their best at a particular wattage or voltage. I "tweek" my settings too much. Maybe I'm the rare vapor, but VW would serve no practical purpose for me.

I understand that others are different from myself. They may use multiple types of coils at different resistances. Maybe they have an all day vape and use the same wattage for that flavor. Perhaps for these people variable wattage serves a purpose.

I can respect the fact that you have no explicit need for VW, just as you can respect the fact that some people do. I actually think me and you could get along Baditude!

 

[VapoJoe86]

You really have to wonder how so many satisfied ProVari owners are able to get by with VV...

Perhaps because we are capable of pressing a button and adjusting power to taste; others aren't.

This discussion has nothing to do with ability to adjust to taste. It has everything to do with the need to adjust to taste. I have an all-day vape and build my own coils of varying resistances, and I'd rather not have to need to adjust to taste (though I assure you I am fully capable).

 

[Moodyfisherman]

Hey there. I highly doubt you will see a vw Provari in the near future. A couple of months ago Provape all but made this statement in a vaping magazine...can't remember what it's called. As someone else said when a new version comes out they normally offer an upgrade for about $25 bucks. I won't beat you up for wanting vw because that's your personal choice & we're all entitled to whatever we choose. However I will say that I've had VW before and everything took a back seat once I purchased my first Provari. Since that time I've also gathered a collection of mechanicals as well. Although they are in my daily rotation my Provari's still see more action than anything else. I'll just say that I build my own coils as well on RBA's, RDA's, & now my Russian 91%. I own 2 Provari's (soon to be 3). One is a V2 & the other is V2.5. I'm completely happy with mines...which I'm sure is obvious since I'm buying a 3rd.

Good luck with your decision.

If you can tell me one needs a third Provari I might just have to buy my first?

 

[stevegmu]

This discussion has nothing to do with ability to adjust to taste. It has everything to do with the need to adjust to taste. I have an all-day vape and build my own coils of varying resistances, and I'd rather not have to need to adjust to taste (though I assure you I am fully capable).

Does your VW mod account for temperature changes and adjust power accordingly? How about the viscosity of the juice? How about different flavors and PG/VG ratios? How about barometric pressure and how it affects wicking?

 

[sunnata]

maybe I am odd but I enjoy tweaking the voltage and finding out different aspects of each juice.

I purchased an mvp2 a couple weeks ago and I have not liked the VW feature, I still feel the need to tweak. That and the fact that the reading of the built-in meter can (and does) show variations at the slightest sign of leaks (a single drop of juice @ battery contacts is all it takes to change the resistance)

to me it sounds great as a theory but in practice, so far, I have found it pretty useless. btw I also believe (based on my little experience and not on any math) in different sweet spots for different ohms. even when everything else is exactly the same. /shrug

 

[Baditude]

I can respect the fact that you have no explicit need for VW, just as you can respect the fact that some people do. I actually think me and you could get along Baditude!

I have many friends here on ECF, and sometimes we often agree to disagree about certain things. There are no hard fast rules as to what preferences that we may have when it comes to vaping. Sometimes we all get a little too hard-headed about things that we believe strongly in.

Just don't cross me with negative comments about the Provari and we'll get along just fine.

 

[BernieVideo]

All in all, if Provapes came out with a version 3 firmware upgrade I would probably do the upgrade to my 2.5s just to have the newest version. If that included VW then so be it. If it didn't include VW I would still do the upgrade.


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[Paul.K]

I take two mods to work. One is a Provari and the other is my Semovar (VW). I ran the Semovar in VW mode this week. Yup they both vape great. They both needed adjustments throughout the day as the temperature fluctuations in the shop was pretty huge. Both required the same amount of button pushes to make those adjustments. IMO there was no clear advantage one way or another. So why does Provari need VW? I really wish you get one soon.....

 

[VapoJoe86]

Does your VW mod account for temperature changes and adjust power accordingly? How about the viscosity of the juice? How about different flavors and PG/VG ratios? How about barometric pressure and how it affects wicking?

As I said before, I have an all-day vape. Furthermore, I vape almost exclusively within the confines of my own home which I keep at a constant 72 degrees. Therefore, viscosity of the juice, temperature, and PG/VG ratios are all a constant. As far as barometric pressure is concerned, I don't believe it fluctuates greatly within my own home either. Though I would love to see any scientific data you may have on varying barometric pressure and how it affects wicking in e-cigarettes (seriously, I would). When I do venture out of my home with my PV and I find that it isn't performing well, I adjust the wattage accordingly. You still haven't proven to me that VW is as useless and gimmicky as you say.

 

[Baditude]

maybe I am odd but I enjoy tweaking the voltage and finding out different aspects of each juice. ...I also believe (based on my little experience and not on any math) in different sweet spots for different ohms. even when everything else is exactly the same. /shrug

I can agree with these statements. When I use them, I have found different clearomizers of the same resistance to provide a difference in flavor at the same voltage. Top or bottom coils may have the same resistance, yet because of the way they vaporize their juice differently they require a different voltage (wattage). There is always going to be some tweeking going on; always going to be pressing a button.

 

[stevegmu]

As I said before, I have an all-day vape. Furthermore, I vape almost exclusively within the confines of my own home which I keep at a constant 72 degrees. Therefore, viscosity of the juice, temperature, and PG/VG ratios are all a constant. As far as barometric pressure is concerned, I don't believe it fluctuates greatly within my own home either. Though I would love to see any scientific data you may have on varying barometric pressure and how it affects wicking in e-cigarettes (seriously, I would). When I do venture out of my home with my PV and I find that it isn't performing well, I adjust the wattage accordingly. You still haven't proven to me that VW is as useless and gimmicky as you say.

Why would you have to adjust wattage? I thought VW was set-it-and-forget-it?

The pressure in tanks changes, due to temperature changes and fluid level changes- thus atmospheric pressure affects wicking- the atmosphere in the tank, that is. A quick search on fluid levels in glassomizers and performance will tell you the same, but that would involve pressing buttons...

 

[VapoJoe86]

Why would you have to adjust wattage? I thought VW was set-it-and-forget-it?

The pressure in tanks changes, due to temperature changes and fluid level changes- thus atmospheric pressure affects wicking- the atmosphere in the tank, that is. A quick search on fluid levels in glassomizers and performance will tell you the same, but that would involve pressing buttons...

Within my own home, VW does give me a set-it-and-forget-it experience. That was my point. I can switch out a 1.8 ohm coil for a 2.2 ohm coil and never have to adjust anything to get the same experience from both coils. Furthermore, in my case atmospheric pressure in the tank only seems to have a negative impact when the tank is allowed to reach less than a 1/4 juice level (at least in my Kanger Protank II mini this is true). When that happens I top my juice off and the problem is solved.

 

[VapoJoe86]

I take two mods to work. One is a Provari and the other is my Semovar (VW). I ran the Semovar in VW mode this week. Yup they both vape great. They both needed adjustments throughout the day as the temperature fluctuations in the shop was pretty huge. Both required the same amount of button pushes to make those adjustments. IMO there was no clear advantage one way or another. So why does Provari need VW? I really wish you get one soon.....

Hey Paul, sorry for not addressing your question directly. My interest in VW stems from the fact that given the same delivery device, same e-liquid, same temperature scenario (i.e. any time I'm vaping at home) I can swap out a 1.8 ohm coil for a 2.2 ohm coil and get the exact same experience with no adjustments being made. I'm not saying that the Provari needs it, in fact my only argument here is that VW has a place in the world of e-cigs.

 

[stevegmu]

Within my own home, VW does give me a set-it-and-forget-it experience. That was my point. I can switch out a 1.8 ohm coil for a 2.2 ohm coil and never have to adjust anything to get the same experience from both coils. Furthermore, in my case atmospheric pressure in the tank only seems to have a negative impact when the tank is allowed to reach less than a 1/4 juice level (at least in my Kanger Protank II mini this is true). When that happens I top my juice off and the problem is solved.

That sounds like a lot more work than pressing a button. I vape tanks dry.

 

[Ladiekali]

I never said VV was too dificult. I said it's less convenient than VW, which it is. I would personally rather control the OUTPUT of my device than the INPUT.

This post has me curious to your intentions of this thread.
The provari does not have vw, nor does it need it.

The menu system once you use it, is very nice, i worried i wouldnt like it but i love it.
I was a vw user before, but have had no problems adjusting to the vv only, dont forget that the provari checks ohms as well.

I have not yet come across any one who bought a provari and regretted it. Not one.
Provari has something unexplainable... It just hits better. Its deep. Its smooth. It must have to do with the quality and the power. I dont know, but i think you dont really want one so why start this thread?
Im out

 

[Telly R]

I don't believe the thread was about a product's brand; but its capabilities and possibilities. The obvious VV and VW differences are not a jab on a product brand. I love my Provari; however, love my vw and dna20 devices just as much (quality devices, of course). Kinda hard to compare a Provari to a mediocre (Chinese mass produced) vw device. ;-).

 

[PLANofMAN]

I respectfully disagree with your thoughts on VW being a "gimmick to anyone but a new vaper" and rather than go into the theory behind it (Ohm's Law and whatnot), I'll just give you a real-world example of how it can be useful.

Example:
Let's say that you are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts and you find this to be a pleasant experience. Your 2 ohm device kicks the bucket, so you switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). If you wanted to replicate the pleasant experience you were just having with the 2 ohm single coil device at 4 volts (before it kicked the bucket), you would have to consult Ohm's Law. I've saved everybody the trouble and did the math: you would have to adjust your PV to ~3.46 volts to get the same experience on your 1.5 ohm device as you were getting from the 2 ohm device at 4 volts. Now, you could just "vape to taste" until you get what you believe to be about the same experience (instead of doing the math), but adjustments must be made nonetheless. Now let's look at the same scenario for a VW user.

Now you are using a VW device. You are vaping a 2 ohm single coil device at 8 watts (the exact equivalent of the single coil 2 ohm at 4 volts). Once again, you then switch to a 1.5 ohm single coil device (same tank, same juice, different resistance coil). Only this time, your device is already set at 8 watts and so it automatically adjusts your voltage output to ~3.46 volts to provide you with the exact same experience you were getting from the 2 ohm device. No math needed. No adjustments needed.

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I hope this sheds some light on the usefulness of VW for those who believe it to be useless or gimmicky. It is useful, and it can be adjusted to taste just like VV. To imply that it is only useful for new vapers is extremely shortsighted; if anything I would say that more advanced vapers have the most to gain from VW as a feature. Now, you can sit there and tell me that none of the VW devices you own perform as well as the Provari. This is fine, in fact it is expected due to the fact that the Provari power delivery system produces a more "DC-like" waveform (read: higher quality) than a cheaper PV. However, it literally takes nothing away from VW as a useful feature. If Provape implemented VW, I am positive that they would do it to an excellent standard and it would give people a chance to see just how great of a feature it is.

VW as it is now in almost all devices that use it, is pretty gimmicky. It adjusts itself in .5 watt increments, not the incredibly accurate voltage increments you seem to believe it is actually putting out (and as far as I know, the nivel chip is the only chip that adjusts itself in .1 watt increments). The .5 watts does not allow as accurate a vape as the incremental adjustment of .1 volts.

Until .1 wattage adjustment is standard on VW vaping devices, it will always be a poor substitute for the discerning VV vaper. Sure, VW adjusts the voltage for you, but not as accurately as adjusting voltage by hand in .1 volt increments. Most VW mods adjust from 3 watts to 15 watts in .5 watt increments (24 steps) The V2/2.5 ProVari's adjust from 2.9 volts to 6.0 volts in .1 volt increments (32 steps). Same power range. One has 24 settings the other has 32 settings. Which will allow for the most accurate adjustment? It should be self evident.