I'm getting a Provari next month, and I never said the Provari needed VW. To be honest I can't wait to get my Provari. This however takes nothing away from the fact that VW is a useful feature that certainly has a place in the world of e-cigs. I would personally argue that VW is more useful than VV, as I have for nearly this entire thread. If you'd like to know my reasons for this stance, I invite you to review my 10 or so most recent posts to this thread.
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I'm getting a Provari next month, and I never said the Provari needed VW. To be honest I can't wait to get my Provari. This however takes nothing away from the fact that VW is a useful feature that certainly has a place in the world of e-cigs. I would personally argue that VW is more useful than VV, as I have for nearly this entire thread. If you'd like to know my reasons for this stance, I invite you to review my 10 or so most recent posts to this thread.
Let it be known that when I'm defending VW, I'm not referring to the lower quality PVs that only allow for 0.5 watt increments. I'm referring to higher quality PVs such as the eVic which do indeed allow for .1 wattage increments. In fact, by adjusting wattage in 0.1 increments you have much finer control of your voltage output than you do with a variable voltage only device. Consider the following example:
Vaping a 2.1 ohm coil at 7 watts is the equivalent of vaping that same coil at ~3.83 volts. If you increase the wattage to 7.1 watts, you are now vaping at ~3.86 volts. If you increase the wattage to 7.2 watts, you are now vaping at ~3.89 volts. The point here is that with variable wattage you can adjust your voltage by much finer increments (roughly 3 hundredths of a volt at a time as opposed to 1 tenth of a volt at a time). There's really no arguing with that.
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This is my opinion only... Keep in mind i used vw before using a provari....
The provari is so damn awesome vw is pointless. The only thing i can really say is when you get yours, you will say out loud, i get it now!
What ever ohms you use, you will want to adjust regardless. Set it and forget would work for a lesser mod.
The provari brings things out of your juice tank system that i cant explain.
You will only get it, by using it and the. It will all make sense, i apologize for not being able to explain it better. Mainly because i dont understand how my provari is so freaking magical.
If i vape one flavor juice out of one tank, i adjust my volts up and down all day, it changes the taste drastically. Its like it has many sweet spots. Thats what im trying to say, with a provari you dont need vw. Its pointless, by using vw you would not experience the magic of the mod.
If you think the Evic is a high quality mod...it's not.
So by your own argument, you are only defending two mods. The Evic, and the Semovar. Those are the only mods in production that adjust wattage in .1 increments. The Evic is a piece of crap. The chip set is fine, but the build quality and design are not well regarded. Add in it's tendency to brick itself from updates, and it's just not worth getting.
The Semovar has had it's growing pains, but most ProVari owners are willing to concede that it is as durable and well built as a ProVari. The Nivel chipset is a marvel as well.
Edit: Forgot about DNA 20 mods. The screen on the DNA 20 is susceptible to e-juice damage, but other than that, they are also pretty good, provided you stick with the high-end mod builders.
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I think the magic you are referring to has everything to do with the output of the Provari which is more "DC-like" than lesser mods. Variable wattage actually allows you to control the voltage in much finer increments and I think if Provape implemented it, it would simply be a more magical device. Nonetheless, I'm certainly looking forward to trying the mythical Provari (finally)!
Let's leave brands, chip sets, build quality, AND design all out of the picture for a moment and talk voltage control. Variable wattage as a feature (with 0.1 increments) allows for finer voltage control than a variable voltage only device. This is a fact, and will always be a fact until we have VV only mods that allow for voltage control in the hundredth range as opposed to the tenth range. What I'm saying here is that if the Provari did implement VW, you would have even finer control of your voltage. What's not to love about that?
i think provape will worry about changing something the minute they have stock sit for more then 2 days lol
as it is people buy one, then order a couple more then a mini then.............. until that dies off I see no reason for them to invest more time or development into a proven cash cow. I know I wouldnt.
Cmon they throw a a 5 or 10% sale and the stockroom is empty.
after 3 years on the same chipset return on investment has to be well taken care of by now while units keep flying off the shelf with 20 dollar end caps and 15 dollar LED options so why would they worry about developing a new one? lol
Im not putting down provari or defending VW but i have to say my semovar and futura provide the rock solid experience of my provari while giving me the other features many(including myself) Have been asking for
as it is people buy one, then order a couple more then a mini then.............. until that dies off I see no reason for them to invest more time or development into a proven cash cow. I know I wouldnt.
Cmon they throw a a 5 or 10% sale and the stockroom is empty.
after 3 years on the same chipset return on investment has to be well taken care of by now while units keep flying off the shelf with 20 dollar end caps and 15 dollar LED options so why would they worry about developing a new one? lol
Im not putting down provari or defending VW but i have to say my semovar and futura provide the rock solid experience of my provari while giving me the other features many(including myself) Have been asking for
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I think the magic you are referring to has everything to do with the output of the Provari which is more "DC-like" than lesser mods. Variable wattage actually allows you to control the voltage in much finer increments and I think if Provape implemented it, it would simply be a more magical device. Nonetheless, I'm certainly looking forward to trying the mythical Provari (finally)!
Next, you'll tell her Santa isn't real. Go ahead, destroy her dreams.
Everyone knows that ProVari's are magical because a tiny fairy is trapped inside each one.
...and if you'd just said that to begin with, I wouldn't have had to make a bag of popcorn and type one-handed.Let's leave brands, chip sets, build quality, AND design all out of the picture for a moment and talk voltage control. Variable wattage as a feature (with 0.1 increments) allows for finer voltage control than a variable voltage only device. This is a fact, and will always be a fact until we have VV only mods that allow for voltage control in the hundredth range as opposed to the tenth range. What I'm saying here is that if the Provari did implement VW, you would have even finer control of your voltage. What's not to love about that?
Yea right!!
Next you wil try to tell me spiderman came from a comic book or something!
You arent really respectfully disagreeing with me by calling me shortsighted. Essentially, we are talking about the difference between a couple of presses of a button / twists of a tube.
If i swap a 2.0ohm coil for a 1.5ohm coil then i know to turn my voltage down from 4.0 to 3.5 (to achieve the same wattage if that is what i require) - it seems you know this too, so i am not sure why you are holding back on getting a provari, which you want, on the basis that it doesnt have a feature which you have eloquently demonstrated above that you do not need.
Anyhow, this could (and probably will) go on forever! I'm sure if you started this thread elsewhere on the forum you would get a very different response - perhaps it's because people who have bought a provari generally feel they dont need VW or perhaps it is because we are a belligerent stubborn old bunch - who's to say
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You arent really respectfully disagreeing with me by calling me shortsighted. Essentially, we are talking about the difference between a couple of presses of a button / twists of a tube.
If i swap a 2.0ohm coil for a 1.5ohm coil then i know to turn my voltage down from 4.0 to 3.5 - it seems you know this too, so i am not sure why you are holding back on getting a provari, which you want, on the basis that it doesnt have a feature which you have eloquently demonstrated above that you do not need.
Anyhow, this could (and probably will) go on forever! I'm sure if you started this thread elsewhere on the forum you would get a very different response - perhaps it's because people who have bought a provari generally feel they dont need VW or perhaps it is because we are a belligerent stubborn old bunch - who's to say
If it's any consolation, I didn't mean to call you shortsighted. I was trying to say that the viewpoint of VW as gimmicky or only suited to new vapers was shortsighted (looking back, I admit I could've chosen better words). The fact of the matter is that even if you throw out the whole concept of "set-it-and-forget-it" or the ability to switch different resistance coils without adjusting anything, VW allows for finer voltage adjustments than variable voltage only devices. That being said, I think you're completely right that this could go on forever and a new thread should be started on the topic elsewhere on the forum! I really have enjoyed this whole debate though and you guys (Provari owners!) forced me to re-examine VW under a microscope to justify it as a feature which actually lead to me teaching myself some things and gaining a new perspective!
Edit: The reason I'm holding back is because my vapor budget is spoken for with Christmas coming up
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If it's any consolation, I didn't mean to call you shortsighted. I was trying to say that the viewpoint of VW as gimmicky or only suited to new vapers was shortsighted (looking back, I admit I could've chosen better words). The fact of the matter is that even if you throw out the whole concept of "set-it-and-forget-it" or the ability to switch different resistance coils without adjusting anything, VW allows for finer voltage adjustments than variable voltage only devices. That being said, I think you're completely right that this could go on forever and a new thread should be started on the topic elsewhere on the forum! I really have enjoyed this whole debate though and you guys (Provari owners!) forced me to re-examine VW under a microscope to justify it as a feature which actually lead to me teaching myself some things and gaining a new perspective!
Edit: The reason I'm holding back is because my vapor budget is spoken for with Christmas coming up
Dont worry, i'm not really offended, i just a like a bit of lively banter
It's nearly that time of year so Merry Christmas and treat yourself to a provari
I agree with the VapoJoe, I would rather have a VW Provari than a VV. I have a few mods that has VW and it is more convenient that VV, especially when you experiment with different coil builds. That being said.......
I still prefer the Provari hands down. It's really easy to adjust to taste and If you are pretty good at building coils, the OHM resistance will always be similar and you wont have to adjust the volts. I wouldn't hesitate purchasing a Provari soon ......... I've never felt a higher quality feeling variable mod with the reliability to back it up. The way they feel in hand is very similar to a very high end mechanical mod if you have ever handled one. Excluding the Chinese stuff, a few of my vaping buddies have DNA20 powered devices from American companies (not homemade). They are all box shaped mods and are really sweet for vaping but if you handle them, they lack the rock hard, hefty, quality feel of the Provari's. The current tube shaped DNA20 mods are very long compared to the Provari which to me makes them impractical to carry around.
I sold a year old Provari with an 18650 extension for 150 bucks on ebay and I only paid $175 or so for it new. . It had dings on the battery end caps from drops and had some visible wear. $25 loss after a year of hard use is amazing to me. Right now I'm rocking a Provari mini with a twins battery cap and a Loki ring
I still prefer the Provari hands down. It's really easy to adjust to taste and If you are pretty good at building coils, the OHM resistance will always be similar and you wont have to adjust the volts. I wouldn't hesitate purchasing a Provari soon ......... I've never felt a higher quality feeling variable mod with the reliability to back it up. The way they feel in hand is very similar to a very high end mechanical mod if you have ever handled one. Excluding the Chinese stuff, a few of my vaping buddies have DNA20 powered devices from American companies (not homemade). They are all box shaped mods and are really sweet for vaping but if you handle them, they lack the rock hard, hefty, quality feel of the Provari's. The current tube shaped DNA20 mods are very long compared to the Provari which to me makes them impractical to carry around.
I sold a year old Provari with an 18650 extension for 150 bucks on ebay and I only paid $175 or so for it new. . It had dings on the battery end caps from drops and had some visible wear. $25 loss after a year of hard use is amazing to me. Right now I'm rocking a Provari mini with a twins battery cap and a Loki ring
Once a feature found only on luxury cars, even Ford now offers self parking models that can parallel park themselves. Unsurprisingly, Ferrari and Lamborghini manufacturers automatically assume that people who buy their cars already know how to park, and don't offer this feature.perhaps it is because we are a belligerent stubborn old bunch - who's to say
(I wonder how much of this mentality ^ there is at ProVape).
Once a feature found only on luxury cars, even Ford now offers self parking models that can parallel park themselves. Unsurprisingly, Ferrari and Lamborghini manufacturers automatically assume that people who buy their cars already know how to park, and don't offer this feature.
(I wonder how much of this mentality ^ there is at ProVape).
But what if instead of an automatic parking feature, it was finer steering control or finer throttle control? There would be something to be said for that, no? Wait I don't want to go down this path of automobile to PV comparisons again!!!!
Once a feature found only on luxury cars, even Ford now offers self parking models that can parallel park themselves. Unsurprisingly, Ferrari and Lamborghini manufacturers automatically assume that people who buy their cars already know how to park, and don't offer this feature.
(I wonder how much of this mentality ^ there is at ProVape).
I know right, who needs auto parallel parking when you have this kinda wonderful vision out of the back...
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