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The Ocelot

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This actually explains a LOT! Seriously, thank you. But as Telly said, I met some pretty cool vapers in the process and hopefully avoided making any mortal enemies. Not to mention it has actually been pretty cool to see just how passionate people can be about the Provari.

You have made no enemies here. We are well acquainted with the confusion of seekers who have yet to experience the gifts of our Blessed One.

Travel where you need to on your journey and should you find your way back to our path, we shall welcome you as a friend. Go forth in peace.

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You have made no enemies here. We are well acquainted with the confusion of seekers who have yet to experience the gifts of our Blessed One.

Travel where you need to on your journey and should you find your way back to our path, we shall welcome you as a friend. Go forth in peace.

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The ProVarinati awaits you

Thank you so much for this, I needed a good belly laugh! I look forward to joining you in basking in the illuminating light that is the Provari. :D
 

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I'm really not insisting on it, I was just pointing out that VW seemed like an obvious progression for the Provari and I did not want to buy a Provari if a VW version was going to be released any time soon. Since that time I've been dragged into arguments about VW being a viable feature and even had my knowledge of vaping in general called into question. I'm perfectly comfortable in my understanding of vaping, rebuilding coils, and most importantly Ohms Law so this does not offend me; it is just off-putting to get such a negative, defensive response from what I assumed was a relatively friendly community.
There is no negativity being implied towards you. If you are so well versed in Ohm's Law as you said, then being "limited" by "only" VV shouldn't be an issue. Variable wattage is just another way to get to the same place. Variable voltage is actually simpler to use than variable wattage. Simply know the resistance of your heating coil. If you know the equipment that you purchased, you should already know that. If not, the Provari has a very accurate ohm meter built in. Take the resistance, add the number two, and you have the voltage you need. 2 ohm + 2 = 4 volts. Doesn't really involve a lot of math that a first grader can't do.

To a Provari owner, variable wattage represents "bells & whistles", no different than a fancy OLED display window or a puff counter. Neither of those will affect the vape experience. I would much rather the Chinese manufacturers stop including an OLED display or puff counter and instead use a higher quality, better-regulating micro processor which would improve the vape. I'd also like for them to build their mods with better parts and materials which would make the mod more durable, and with more attention to detail. I'd also like for them to offer a longer warranty, and to offer to repair their mod at a reasonable cost post warranty. The Provari offers all of that included in the purchase price. NONE of the Chinese mods offer the above, and THAT'S what is important to me.

People chose the Provari because it promises to be a simple basic variable voltage PV which is dependable, consistant, reliable, well-built with incredible attention to detail and workmanship, repairablity, and unmatched customer service. It just does what it does, better than the competition.

If you do not value the above, then a Provari is not for you. If variable wattage is a game changer in your choice of a mod, a Provari is not for you. I personally believe Provape WILL NEVER make a VW mod. Their design philosophy appears to be the same as their customer's wants and needs, and that does not include variable wattage.

I agreed with the previous anology of a Provari to a screwdriver. A TOOL. You only need a regular screwdriver to twist in or out a screw, not a Swiss Army Knife with all the bells & whistle attachments. There are different grades of quality tools. You can use a Harbor Freight tool which might last you a year under heavy use, or you could purchase a Milwaukee or DeWalt tool which will last you years and years. Like many things in life, you get what you pay for.
 
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Have you heard of the military Humvees??? They break down almost immediately off the assembly line. I would NEVER compare a ProVari to a milspec Humvee. ;)
Hey now! That's my reference! The military gets them working and ship shape. It's not their fault lazy, overpaid, unionized workers can't put the thing together right to begin with. It's only truly a Humvee after it's been driven down a sand dune at top speed to break the governor (speed limiter).
Would it be more appropriate to compare a ProVari to one of these??


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Not necessarily true. Fort Lewis, about 2 years ago. Right before deployment. Brand new Humvee (8 miles on the odometer) driving across post. BAM!! breaks down in the middle of the road. 2 days later, another one from the same shipment throws a rod. Now civilian Humvees are made quite nicely, but I've noticed any gov't contract work is shoddy at best and costs 4 times the price. And you have to keep it running long enough to go down that dune to break the governor. :)
Hey now! That's my reference! The military gets them working and ship shape. It's not their fault lazy, overpaid, unionized workers can't put the thing together right to begin with. It's only truly a Humvee after it's been driven down a sand dune at top speed to break the governor (speed limiter).



No. It's a fashion accessory too.
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There is no negativity being implied towards you. If you are so well versed in Ohm's Law as you said, then being "limited" by "only" VV shouldn't be an issue. Variable wattage is just another way to get to the same place. Variable voltage is actually simpler to use than variable wattage. Simply know the resistance of your heating coil. If you know the equipment that you purchased, you should already know that. If not, the Provari has a very accurate ohm meter built in. Take the resistance, add the number two, and you have the voltage you need. 2 ohm + 2 = 4 volts. Doesn't really involve a lot of math that a first grader can't do.

To a Provari owner, variable wattage represents "bells & whistles", no different than a fancy OLED display window or a puff counter. Neither of those will affect the vape experience. I would much rather the Chinese manufactures stop including an OLED display or puff counter and instead use a higher quality, better-regulating micro processor which would improve the vape. I'd also like for them to build their mods with better parts and materials which would make the mod more durable, and with more attention to detail. I'd also like for them to offer a longer warranty, and to offer to repair their mod at a reasonable cost post warranty. The Provari offers all of that included in the purchase price.

People chose the Provari because it promises to be a simple basic variable voltage PV which is dependable, consistant, reliable, well-built with incredible attention to detail and workmanship, repairablity, and unmatched customer service. It just does what it does, better than the competition.

If you do not value the above, then a Provari is not for you. If variable wattage is a game changer in your choice of a mod, a Provari is not for you. I personally believe Provape WILL NEVER make a VW mod. Their design philosophy appears to be the same as their customer's wants and needs, and that does not include variable wattage.

Yes, I am well versed in Ohms Law. I have a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology. Your theory about taking the resistance number and adding 2 to find the right voltage has some holes in it. By your logic a 2 Ohm coil should be vaped at 4V and a 4 Ohm coil should be vaped at 6V. This results in 2A of current through the first coil and only 1.5A through the second coil. Furthermore, it results in the first coil being operated at 8 Watts and the second coil being operated at 9 Watts. Thus, your theory falls apart rather quickly. But I digress, I'm not here to discuss Ohms Law.

I've already stated why I believe VW to be a viable feature, and I won't be going back into it. All I will say now is that some people prefer to set the output of their device as opposed to the input (VW as opposed to VV) and people are entitled to preferences. Also, I agree with everything you said about the Provari being a great, reliable product (which is why I am purchasing one) and if you had read my previous posts you would know that lack of VW is NOT a deal breaker for me. This has been a lively debate and I've actually enjoyed myself and met some really cool people (which is why I came to ECF to begin with). That being said, I'm not going to debate the merits of VW for another minute.
 

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I've already stated why I believe VW to be a viable feature, and I won't be going back into it. All I will say now is that some people prefer to set the output of their device as opposed to the input (VW as opposed to VV) and people are entitled to preferences. Also, I agree with everything you said about the Provari being a great, reliable product (which is why I am purchasing one) and if you had read my previous posts you would know that lack of VW is NOT a deal breaker for me. This has been a lively debate and I've actually enjoyed myself and met some really cool people (which is why I came to ECF to begin with). That being said, I'm not going to debate the merits of VW for another minute.

I admit I didn't bother to read through this entire thread before responding to this post, heck it's already 14 pages long. I'm glad that thus far the discussion here has remained civil, unlike many Provari threads which eventually get closed by a moderator due to heated arguments, mostly about the merits of VW vs VV and Provape's decision to not offer VW as an option for the Provari.

I simply was offering why nearly all Provari owners end up buying one. The vast majority have no desire for variable wattage, which the lack of this option seemed to be your main issue with not buying a Provari.
 
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Classic... I've never seen that, funny stuff

I was wondering what the :censored: that original link was all about... Like, El Duh AW High Drain Batteries are the bomb-diggity and everyone should use them... And now we have technical confirmation from the engineers at ProVape to tell us why... But I :censored: know that already! And what the :censored: does that have to do with driving over it with a :censored: :censored: Panzer??
 

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I admit I didn't bother to read through this entire thread before responding to this post, heck it's already 14 pages long. I'm glad that thus far the discussion here has remained civil, unlike many Provari threads which eventually get closed by a moderator due to heated arguments, mostly about the merits of VW vs VV and Provape's decision to not offer VW as an option for the Provari.
"remained civil?"...You missed a few salty moments. Best to forget them and move on. :D
 

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Classic... I've never seen that, funny stuff

I was wondering what the :censored: that original link was all about... Like, El Duh AW High Drain Batteries are the bomb-diggity and everyone should use them... And now we have technical confirmation from the engineers at ProVape to tell us why... But I :censored: know that already! And what the :censored: does that have to do with driving over it with a :censored: :censored: Panzer??
Yes, initially I included the wrong link to the video, and had to edit once I realized my mistake. :oops: I had earlier responded to a PM request from a novice who wanted to know if his PanasonicNCR18650B 3400 mah batteries (not high drain) were ok to use in his regulated mod which uses PWM, and included the link to Provape's explanation on why high drain batteries are needed in a regulated mod.

He also wanted to know if those batteries (which have a 6.8 amp limit) were safe to use with his 0.5 sub ohm coil.
 
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Yes, I am well versed in Ohms Law. I have a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology. Your theory about taking the resistance number and adding 2 to find the right voltage has some holes in it. By your logic a 2 Ohm coil should be vaped at 4V and a 4 Ohm coil should be vaped at 6V. This results in 2A of current through the first coil and only 1.5A through the second coil. Furthermore, it results in the first coil being operated at 8 Watts and the second coil being operated at 9 Watts. Thus, your theory falls apart rather quickly. But I digress, I'm not here to discuss Ohms Law.

I must defend St. Baditude here, since I believe it was I who started the "+2" directive. The idea has no real scientific basis (I mean, duh, I don't even have thumbs), it was a simple tool to help new vapors find a starting point from which to adjust their devices.

Often there are posts by new members who aren't sure where to start when faced with coils of different resistances and this is something easy to remember. Adding "2" to the resistance, and then setting the volts at the resulting number, will produced ≈ 8 watts; from there the vaper can adjust up or down to taste. This is specifically for beginning devices like clearos and single-coil cartos. It seems much nicer to give them information they can understand, rather than giving them a run down of Ohm's Law or posting a chart.

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Yes, initially I included the wrong link to the video, and had to edit once I realized my mistake. I had earlier responded to a PM request from a novice who wanted to know if his 3400 mah batteries (not high drain) were ok to use in his regulated mod which uses PWM, and included the link to Provape's explaination on why high drain batteries are needed in a regulated mod.

I figured that's what happened... The video is much better :D
 

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I must defend St. Baditude here, since I believe it was I who started the "+2" directive. The idea has no real scientific basis (I mean, duh, I don't even have thumbs), it was a simple tool to help new vapors find a starting point from which to adjust their devices.

Often there are posts by new members who aren't sure where to start when faced with coils of different resistances and this is something easy to remember. Adding "2" to the resistance, and then setting the volts at the resulting number, will produced ≈ 8 watts; from there the vaper can adjust up or down to taste. This is specifically for beginning devices like clearos and single-coil cartos. It seems much nicer to give them information they can understand, rather than giving them a run down of Ohm's Law or posting a chart.

Mea Cupla.

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You had your dew claws clipped? Horrible! Oh wait, do kitties even have dew claws? Heck, I've never checked... LoL
 

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Yes, I am well versed in Ohms Law. I have a Bachelor of Science in Electronics Engineering Technology. Your theory about taking the resistance number and adding 2 to find the right voltage has some holes in it. By your logic a 2 Ohm coil should be vaped at 4V and a 4 Ohm coil should be vaped at 6V. This results in 2A of current through the first coil and only 1.5A through the second coil. Furthermore, it results in the first coil being operated at 8 Watts and the second coil being operated at 9 Watts. Thus, your theory falls apart rather quickly. But I digress, I'm not here to discuss Ohms Law.

I'm not here to discuss Ohms Law either, but what you explained above about dual coils is totally wrong.
 
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