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[haft2doit]

You may be right - there is no way to tell for sure that I'm aware of... But I don't see that the holes on the bottom are blocked by the wick - not even close. And, furthermore, just about everyone has been pouring the juice into the tube anyways... I haven't, but I tilt heavily. How do we explain the tilt working if there is no liquid inside?

This is just speculation from me so take it with a grain a salt but, I think it works by vaccum. If no air can get into the top of the tank then juice can't flow out the holes at the bottom. If you drilled a hole in the top of the tube it would immediatly dump all juice out the bottom. The pressure from the juice in the tank keeps air from pushing its way into the tank. And the vaccum at the top of the tank holds the juice in. I bet when this tank is near empty it will dump whats left. Think of a glass upside down in water the air pressure keeps the water out. Tip it a little and you can allow some water to flow in and some air escape. Pull it out of the water and the water will stay in the glass briefly until gravity overpowers the air pressure and breaks the seal. I think thats why tilting the scorpion will let juice into the tube and why it is having trouble otherwise.

 

[Sev00]

Click on the below pic, to make it bigger to read. Don't know why it came out so small.





Sev

 

[haft2doit]

Click on the below pic, to make it bigger to read. Don't know why it came out so small.


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Sev

Ya ok makes sense. I'm good at talking out of my but Perhaps a difference in regulation method can cause the difference in performance. I know there is a subjective difference between my provari at 3.3 and an ego at 3.3

 

[harleydiva]

Raidy........someone on a seniors thread posted something about him. Talked about him working on a device that changed output based on how hard you drew on it.

 

[haft2doit]

hahaha gotta love that guy. I wish he would go into production. I suppose he may have in germany.

 

[hmlessalky]

The vacuum method would make sense if there was a positive seal at the top of the tube/tank. As far as I can see that is not happening. The wicks should expand once wet enough to seal the gaps at the bottom. Maybe you are right, but it would be silly to just not eliminate the tube if it was going to fill up anyway, and I don't see innovators like GV just covering up some wicks to claim a new product. I will look it over more in a few, but when I filled it and pulled the cap, I don't recall the center tube being full. I just don't know! Arrrgh! All I know is it stinks!

 

[Sev00]

look at this CE? with partial tube.

10mL Tank Mod - HOW TO - YouTube

Sev

 

[CountSmackula]

yeah, me too. there is something out there with ceramic wicking, something really, really expensive, as I recall, but I don't remember what it is... It was waaaaaaaay out of my price range, whatever it was. LOL

I would love, love, love to see ceramic wicking of some sort worked out to where it's affordable and works well... It's gotta be the next great revolution in cartos. Clean, no threat of particulates flying off into your lungs, washable... Vaper's dream.

Picture a "flying sourcer" design: a large, thin ceramic plate with a spiral heating coil unerneath (just like a stove top).... Covered in a white body with LEDs on the edge, and "NCC1701" stamped on top. Eh? Eh? Tell me that's not cool.

I saw Phil Bussardo dismantle an AVA atty & it had a coil sandwiched between 2 ceramic plates for wicking.

 

[BonnyC]

Okay, I'm not alone, then. The scorpion that cracked so badly after one day started developing cracks along the bottom, too. So I'm probably not freakishly strong. They do seem pretty breakable, though.

I'll give them a 3 outta 10 just because they look really cool on my pink battery.

Looking forward to the next drop!

Sent from my A100 using Tapatalk 2

 

[hmlessalky]

Sev, I have built a few CE2 tank mods, but those still have to use the gasket to prevent fluid from flooding the coil and from going into your mouth. The Scorpion has no gasket or seal to speak of, and even if the top cap were to seal the tank from the tube, there is nothing to seal the coil from the inner tube. The center portion of the cap doesn't go down far enough to even think about sealing the ceramic. The center tube must be designed not to fill (like a bottom coil) or it is just a very poor execution on a silly design. Which it is, I don't know. I do know that is why these POS are in Alpha testing. I am looking forward to make them into the very design you speak of, using an old seal from a CE2 and an o-ring. I do love the screw off cap. Very nice and easy to fill.

On the other hand, I have actually missed the Rocket while it was waiting for battery charging. I left the batteries on for about 9 hours, and it never turned to green, but they measured 4.20 off the charger after resting. I have to say if there are any left come next order, I will order another one just to have or to give away. It's a virtually idiot-proof VV.

Sal

 

[harmonic]

look at this CE? with partial tube.

10mL Tank Mod - HOW TO - YouTube

Sev

i used to make tanks just like that and they work amazingly well. but there is a better way then what she does. use a luer lock syringe and drill out the luer lock connector from the inside with i think a 11/16 drill bit then the ce2 clearo will snap into this as if it were the original tube. use the clearo tube for the top part so when you insert it into the tank and over the ce2 seal you can see what is going on and adjust the seal and wicks accordingly. if not for the visions and now phoenix bc and vivi nova i would still be making and using syringe tanks as they were darn solid (if you had the right plunger seal to make the top - not all are created equal) performed very well and lasted almost forever even though they were cheap enough (under a buck) it didnt hurt to loose or throw one away.
ah here is a really old pic i found of a super great big one i made just for illustration purposes. it really is too big to use. the syringes come in like 4 or 5 usable sizes with xl or short ce2 which gave like 10 options for 1.5 to say 12 ml tanks

 

[MastiffMike]

Its not the amps its the watts. Never found a hair dryer sold by the amps it produces, they advertise the watts. Light bulbs are watts also. In incandescent bulbs, high watts = more light.

Ohm's law


V, I, and R, the parameters of Ohm's law.
Ohm's law states that the current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference across the two points. Introducing the constant of proportionality, the resistance, one arrives at the usual mathematical equation that describes this relationship:

I = V/R

where I is the current through the conductor in units of amperes, V is the potential difference measured across the conductor in units of volts, and R is the resistance of the conductor in units of ohms. More specifically, Ohm's law states that the R in this relation is constant, independent of the current.

Circuit analysis

In circuit analysis, three equivalent expressions of Ohm's law are used interchangeably:

I = V/R or V = IR o r R = V/I

Each equation is quoted by some sources as the defining relationship of Ohm's law, or all three are quoted, or derived from a proportional form, or even just the two that do not correspond to Ohm's original statement may sometimes be given.
The interchangeability of the equation may be represented by a triangle, where V (voltage) is placed on the top section, the I (current) is placed to the left section, and the R (resistance) is placed to the right. The line that divides the left and right sections indicate multiplication, and the divider between the top and bottom sections indicates division (hence the division bar).

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[Briar]

You have to have a tight seal for the vacuum theory to work though. This is not sealed at all. It's not a glass, it's tube open to air with holes in the bottom. The liquid should pour right in, unless the wicks stuff the entire volume of the tube, or fill the holes.

This is just speculation from me so take it with a grain a salt but, I think it works by vaccum. If no air can get into the top of the tank then juice can't flow out the holes at the bottom. If you drilled a hole in the top of the tube it would immediatly dump all juice out the bottom. The pressure from the juice in the tank keeps air from pushing its way into the tank. And the vaccum at the top of the tank holds the juice in. I bet when this tank is near empty it will dump whats left. Think of a glass upside down in water the air pressure keeps the water out. Tip it a little and you can allow some water to flow in and some air escape. Pull it out of the water and the water will stay in the glass briefly until gravity overpowers the air pressure and breaks the seal. I think thats why tilting the scorpion will let juice into the tube and why it is having trouble otherwise.

 

[Briar]

You can't really see the juice in there, if it's in there - too dark. I even tried a flashlight. Too much wick, not enough light.

Anyway, you may be right though. Because if I were right, if you turned this pup close to upside-down, the juice would just leak out. I tried it. It doesn't. So the only conclusion I can come to is that the wicks do, in fact, expand to fill the entire space - or close enough, at any rate, to stop whatever small amount of "loose juice" is in there from leaking.

This isn't a vacuum system, since it's open... Or, maybe, it's vacuum-ish as the wicks expand and seal the tube? I still think it's something like a wick-stuffed carto inside a tank. And this much wick will eat flavor from some juices, though, apparently, not all. Maybe menthol, say, has smaller particles and so doesn't get filtered out. I know apple and caramel definitely does.

I dunno. It's still meh, and I think it's the design that's the problem, not just a matter of tinkering. Lots of designs may look like a great idea, and then don't really work very well in the real world. That's what the alpha program is for - to test the designs in the real world, so Chris and Dan have a better basis upon which to decide whether or not they want to carry particular products - or so I understand.

But, here, again, comes my favorite caveat: I may be wrong.

The vacuum method would make sense if there was a positive seal at the top of the tube/tank. As far as I can see that is not happening. The wicks should expand once wet enough to seal the gaps at the bottom. Maybe you are right, but it would be silly to just not eliminate the tube if it was going to fill up anyway, and I don't see innovators like GV just covering up some wicks to claim a new product. I will look it over more in a few, but when I filled it and pulled the cap, I don't recall the center tube being full. I just don't know! Arrrgh! All I know is it stinks!

 

[hmlessalky]

Hey Briar, if you pull the center tube out (quite easy) you will find one loose fat wick (the one going over the coil) and 3 small wicks which are wrapped in the coil. Not stuffed tight, but that was what I was kind of thinking before I got one as well. I'm wondering if they would have used the fat wick instead of the 3 small ones if it would have worked better. After all, it is just a CE2 in a tube. But, i find that the CE2's start to lose wicking ability once they get low. I actually have been chopping the wicks on some of my Fluxo's short and using them like a mini-Stardust.

 

[haft2doit]

You have to have a tight seal for the vacuum theory to work though. This is not sealed at all. It's not a glass, it's tube open to air with holes in the bottom. The liquid should pour right in, unless the wicks stuff the entire volume of the tube, or fill the holes.

I havn't seen them yet mine are in the mail. It was just what I was thinking after seeing the pictures and hearing people talk about them. Seems like there are some problems but I'm looking forward to giving them a test.

 

[Briar]

Yeah, I think short wicks work better all the way around, as long as one doesn't mind tilting. I was thinking of trying it with the Fluxos as well.

I couldn't get the center tube off for some reason. Maybe mine is tighter than normal - but someone did the pics, so I saw what's in there... I know these wicks absorb an enormous amount of liquid. I watched them eat a third of the tank when I first filled it up.

Anyway, I still don't see the point of the design... Maybe I'm dense, but what is it? Is putting the wicks in a tube supposed to help the wicking somehow? If so, how? What is the mechanism by which it's supposed to work?

P.S. I think I know what happened with these, and the point of the design. I think these originally were meant to utilize the plate technology - no coil. But apparently the plate didn't work as well as they thought, so they released this thing with a standard coil instead. At least, that's my guess.

Doesn't really change anything. It's still meh. Maybe it would have worked great with the plate...

Hey Briar, if you pull the center tube out (quite easy) you will find one loose fat wick (the one going over the coil) and 3 small wicks which are wrapped in the coil. Not stuffed tight, but that was what I was kind of thinking before I got one as well. I'm wondering if they would have used the fat wick instead of the 3 small ones if it would have worked better. After all, it is just a CE2 in a tube. But, i find that the CE2's start to lose wicking ability once they get low. I actually have been chopping the wicks on some of my Fluxo's short and using them like a mini-Stardust.

 

[hmlessalky]

Yeah, they do absorb a ....-ton of fluid,p that is one reason I am sick of messing with them. Not only did I waste some of my fave juice, I have been using blah juices to try to get them to work!

You may be right on the reason they ended up as they are. But could the plate have really been much worse if that was the case?

I will mod them and make them work as something. I would have been happy if they were a CE2 in a tank with a screw off top. And that is what they probably will be.

Oh, and the short wick fluxos work quite well. Especially if you can get a good sealing cap. Great to use when lying down.

 

[kelleymcm]

hmmmm I feel like I must be in a different universe than you guys ...same as w/ce2's ...cuz they always WORK for me .
Dry hits are RARE & usually only happen when the carto is BONE DRY ....I can usually vape for 10-15 mins more on what is just in the wick . And as stated before this is 100% vg (actually probably 80%vg/10%flavoring/10%dist.water) & with OLD 650 EGO's or RIVA's ...which is what I used tonight, didn't wanna hurt my new VV ....

...so I am past 10 hours on this first tank, used it CONSTANTLY the whole time ...NOT ONE DRY HIT !!
I could taste the earl grey tea all night too, even after pouring it out & refilling outer tank w/unflavored ...
it is almost empty now & I am on my 2nd Batt.
The cracks have spidered down to about the middle of the tank,
the packing tape is keeping it from leaking & falling apart,the top (mouth piece,end cap & threaded ring)
HAS fallen OFF all night after the cracking ...it is "just sitting there" pretty much . No Vacuum happenin' here
BUT it is still working GREAT !!

I do NOT know what makes the difference in my usage & everyone else's
I think ce2 wicks just like lower voltage & thinned VG juice & long slow hits
I sometimes think PG just doesn't wick well in these wicks ....then again IDK cuz I don't use PG.

Did I mention that the red ViViNova tank is a pretty close match ...size & color wise,
just a little more cranberry'er color than the RED ROCKET .

 

[bjannr]

I used the Rocket with the Scorpion all night at work. Together they are great. I found if you take a draw without firing it helps wick the juice. I am used to doing this using cartos on bottom feeders. I had great flavor, and vapor with out any dry hits all night. I am tempted to order more Scorpions but am holding off until the next new items are released.