Question for all those "only vape where I can smoke" people.

[Paradicio]

I think we are confusing respect with courtesy. I respect my father because I know him, he is a good man. I am courteous to those around me by not blowing huge clouds in public places.

OK. So, do I have the right to demand that someone who is using a strong scented parfum in a crowded bus, to leave?
It's not "hurting" me (well, It could. "We do not know, so it should be banned until proven otherwise"), but it surelly is "disturbing me".
I "have the right" to NOT breath his/her scent of choice.

In this scenario I would absolutely ask the person to move, if their perfume was bothering me that much. You don't have to be mean in the way you ask, a little kindness goes a long way.

What about your landlond? Many of them are already banning vaping in their property. Putting aside the question of HOW such a thing can be enforced, let me ask: is the landlord living with you? Is he going to "breathe in your vapor"?
If not, then what "right" has the landlord to dictate how you live your life, when what you're doing is legal, and is NOT going to ruin his property? Sure, it is "his property", but, as long as you pay you rent, it is YOUR "home, sweet home" to live in. YOU are the one who has the right to make yourself at home. YOU are the one paying the rent.
See how dangerous this "only vape where smoking is allowed" mentality can become?

In this case you are entering into a legal agreement to live on their property under their terms. If you don't like the terms, don't sign the agreement and don't live there. This has nothing to do with respect, or even courtesy in this case, it's just common sense.

 

[Spidey2011]

So you think they have some sort of responsibility go to the trouble of learning about vaping, even tho' they have no interest in dong so.

Nope. They really dont. But if they fail to understand what they're complaining and making false assumptions about, I'm not going to give a hoot what they have to say. I'm not spewing giant clouds of vapor in their face, so as long as I'm not being inconsiderate, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

 

[englishmick]

OK. So, do I have the right to demand that someone who is using a strong scented parfum in a crowded bus, to leave?

Well, you're right. And for some people it's more than an annoyance. One of the effects of Agent Orange poisoning, and some other similar conditions, is hypersensitivity to perfume. A guy I knew would sometimes get dizzy and lightheaded if he was stuck in an elevator with someone wearing strong perfume.

There's another side to the coin though. There is no powerful, politically connected, pressure group calling for perfume to be banned. I have a feeling that if this did come onto the radar some perfume fans might be calling for their fellow perfume users to be discreet and not overdo it in public so as to avoid bringing unwelcome attention down. Sometimes it's about winning, not about being right.

 

[Spidey2011]

We do NOT have a RIGHT to be respected. Respect is something you EARN for yourself, or GIVE to OTHERS. Respect that is DEMANDED is called ARROGANCE.



Yes, your are 100% correct. That is how respect works.

Well I don't like politicians making so much money (which is actually more harmful than vapor. Lol), people that smell like they haven't bathed in two weeks, people with their pants around their knees, etc. Can I demand they respect me and stop doing what they're doing? Nope. It's a two way street.

Don't act like an idiot and I'll at least give you some respect (since non-stoopids are getting rarer and rarer). But what I'm doing harms no one. To claim otherwise without legitimate evidence is ridiculous, and you will not be respected by me if you do so. In fact, you'll probably get a mouthful containing words you would consider disrespectful. Lol. If you're gonna complain about something I'm doing that involves/affects NO ONE else, you had better have some darn good reasoning and evidence to back you up.

 

[Spidey2011]

It has remained a mystery how many feel that the non vaping general public need to take time out of their day to educate themselves about vaping.
I hate rap music. At the volume I usually hear it, its got to be as annoying as vapor. So far, I've not been compelled to research tupac and snoop dog so I can have a better understanding of where these sub woofer offenders are coming from. I just wish they would turn it down as I make my way to a quieter place. What a concept.....relocating myself without causing a scene.

That's what I've been saying all along. If it bothers someone, they can move away from it. I have just as much right to be somewhere as they do. I don't yell and demand that stinky people leave an area. I just don't get too close to them. It's that simple.

 

[93gc40]

Nope. They really dont. But if they fail to understand what they're complaining and making false assumptions about, I'm not going to give a hoot what they have to say. I'm not spewing giant clouds of vapor in their face, so as long as I'm not being inconsiderate, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing.

One, will receives more respect by being considerate, rather than by avoiding being inconsiderate or rude.

 

[Spidey2011]

Well, you're right. And for some people it's more than an annoyance. One of the effects of Agent Orange poisoning, and some other similar conditions, is hypersensitivity to perfume. A guy I knew would sometimes get dizzy and lightheaded if he was stuck in an elevator with someone wearing strong perfume.

There's another side to the coin though. There is no powerful, politically connected, pressure group calling for perfume to be banned. I have a feeling that if this did come onto the radar some perfume fans might be calling for their fellow perfume users to be discreet and not overdo it in public so as to avoid bringing unwelcome attention down. Sometimes it's about winning, not about being right.

I'm allergic to perfume. And bug spray. Do I demand people to not use it around me? Nope. I see a can of bug spray come out and I leave. Smell some strong perfume and I leave. That simple.

 

[Spidey2011]

One, will receives more respect by being considerate, rather than by avoiding being inconsiderate or rude.

Ok. Well why can't others be considerate to me and my vaping?

In reality they are. I've never had anything but positive comments. Never been asked to leave.

Ok wait, I did have one guy that got upset when I pulled it out in a gas station, but that's because he has one for another substance and thought I was doing that in his store. Lol

 

[chopdoc]

For the first 5 to 7 pages this was a good spirited discussion. Now we have arm chair toxicologist and cloud chasers blowing plumes in babies faces......jeez.

One thing to consider is that the vape industry made an estimated 3 billion last year. If every person who vaped spent $1000 last year, that would mean there is at least 6 million people who vape. How many in the USA, I dont know but I seen where B&M vape shops went from 10K in 2013 to over 16K in 2014 in the USA.
Bottom line is it doesnt matter how much people argue here because at least %95 of people who vape will never see this thread nor care. I hope everyone here would agree that its a good idea to be a courteous vapor and if not there is always the cereal aisle in Walmart. ( I gotta go to walmart today and I am gonna vape in the cereal aisle and blow clouds in everyone honor here in this thread )

 

[93gc40]

Ok. Well why can't others be considerate to me and my vaping?

In reality they are. I've never had anything but positive comments. Never been asked to leave.

Ok wait, I did have one guy that got upset when I pulled it out in a gas station, but that's because he has one for another substance and thought I was doing that in his store. Lol

Life sucks and is UNFAIR.

The fact that I have over 30 guns and carry a .9mm, hurts no one also. Yet there are many that would take them or have them banned. Those weapons, by themselves, have NEVER harmed anyone or anything.. Yet, I have KILLED with some of them. The fact that I am not in prison or dead, proves the value of giving respect to the disrespectful.
Plus at a $1 a shell I can't afford to shoot everyone who is rude to me.

 

[caramel]

( I gotta go to walmart today and I am gonna vape in the cereal aisle and blow clouds in everyone honor here in this thread )

Pics please. 'Cause it will the first time in the history of ECF that claims about Walmart cloud chasers would be substantiated. You'll have a first.

 

[skoony]

You are right about the powerful voices against vaping.

Good luck if you think you can convince the non smoking and non vaping majority that you have a right to force them and their children to breath your cloud of vapors, even in enclosed spaces like cars, houses etc...

Your addiction is YOUR problem, deal with it in a manner that does not affects us all is what the general public is saying with all the regulations being enforced everywhere.

i do not have to convince any one of any thing. vaping in public will show the majority
that 99.99% of us vapers are courteous and considerate of others.there seems to
be some that are frightened for that to happen.
as for your use of the word addiction please learn what addiction
is and is not. i am offended for my fellow vapers and myself by
you implying by use of that word we are all societal deviants.
regards
mike

 

[jpargana]

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In this scenario I would absolutely ask the person to move, if their perfume was bothering me that much. You don't have to be mean in the way you ask, a little kindness goes a long way.
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ROTFLMAO. Really? I would pay good money to see the outcome of that. Implying that a lady is overusing her cologne can be as deadly as implying she's a little overweight

I never said I would ask in a mean way. In fact, I would not ask at all. Because most people there would believe the lady was entitled to use her expensive parfum of choice. Asked politety or not, the average Joe would think that if *I* am the one being bothered, then *I* am the one who should miss the bus. Not the poor lady who has done nothing wrong.

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In this case you are entering into a legal agreement to live on their property under their terms. If you don't like the terms, don't sign the agreement and don't live there. This has nothing to do with respect, or even courtesy in this case, it's just common sense.

You completely missed my point. The trouble is the self-righteusness entitlement that led people to believe that messing with other people's private lives (within the law) is even acceptable on a legal agreement. Just like with the policy of not hiring nicotine users (be it cigarettes, e-cigs or even NRT). Unlike alchool or drug abuse, nicotine use will NOT affect working performance.

But of course, the self-righteous are the ONLY ones who deserve respect. And that "respect" is shown by morally inferior people by letting themselves be trampled. OK, I get it now.

 

[skoony]

So you think they have some sort of responsibility go to the trouble of learning about vaping, even tho' they have no interest in dong so.

yes i believe they call it diversity.
mike

 

[chopdoc]

Pics please. 'Cause it will the first time in the history of ECF that claims about Walmart cloud chasers would be substantiated. You'll have a first.

I tootle puff but I do produce some clouds!

 

[Spidey2011]

Life sucks and is UNFAIR.

The fact that I have over 30 guns and carry a .9mm, hurts no one also. Yet there are many that would take them or have them banned. Those weapons, by themselves, have NEVER harmed anyone or anything.. Yet, I have KILLED with some of them. The fact that I am not in prison or dead, proves the value of giving respect to the disrespectful.
Plus at a $1 a shell I can't afford to shoot everyone who is rude to me.

I'm just as passionate about my guns. I'm also an open carry advocate. This isn't just one thing that I feel this way about. I believe that people own themselves and as long as they aren't harming anyone else, they have every right to do as they please. Read harm as real, physical or monetary damages or threats. Not perceived or imagined damages.

 

[caramel]

I'm just as passionate about my guns. I'm also an open carry advocate. This isn't just one thing that I feel this way about. I believe that people own themselves and as long as they aren't harming anyone else, they have every right to do as they please. Read harm as real, physical or monetary damages or threats. Not perceived or imagined damages.

But now we have a new form of damage. "Potential" damage. Your gun could "potentially" discharge and harm me. So with this new "potential" doctrine I can sue and win. Although the win should be "potential" too.

 

[Spidey2011]

But now we have a new form of damage. "Potential" damage. Your gun could "potentially" discharge and harm me. So with this new "potential" doctrine I can sue and win. Although the win should be "potential" too.

Incorrect. That falls under the "perceived or imagined damages." My gun sitting safely in its holster will not discharge without an external influence, aka my hand. But again, that's not a debate I care to enter into here.

 

[caramel]

Incorrect. That falls under the "perceived or imagined damages." My gun sitting safely in its holster will not discharge without an external influence, aka my hand. But again, that's not a debate I care to enter into here.

Exactly. The word "imaginary" is even better. So I suggest that for "imaginary" damages, an "imaginary" compensation shall be awarded.

In the case of vaping, if someone is imaginarily hurt, as a compensation for this, he will be allowed to imagine that no one is vaping around him.

 

[Spidey2011]

Exactly. The word "imaginary" is even better. So I suggest that for "imaginary" damages, an "imaginary" compensation shall be awarded.