Question for all those "only vape where I can smoke" people.

[Asbestos4004]

An EX smoking Vaper is an addict.. Just like with a EX {Moderated} user or drinker is still an addict even if the no longer use.
Sorry if that offends, but sometimes the TRUTH hurts.

Trust me, I know exactly what an addict is. I also know what a community is. As long as a member of a community uses terms to simply sound offensive just for the sake of being a d-bag, what exactly does that do FOR the community?

 

[stevegmu]

I think people can grow out of addictions. I was an alcoholic, now can drink responsibly on holiday; I can even smoke a cigarette and have no desire to smoke another for 6 months, or longer.
What I do with my ladies at the cereal island at Tesco is something altogether different, though...

 

[Asbestos4004]

I think people can grow out of addictions. I was an alcoholic, now can drink responsibly on holiday; I can even smoke a cigarette and have no desire to smoke another for 6 months, or longer.
What I do with my ladies at the cereal island at Tesco is something altogether different, though...

Isle, Steve, ISLE!

 

[jpargana]

Um.. what you just said is "outdoors is fair game, unless someone arbitrarily decides it's not."

Nope. Outdoors is fair game. Period. If you live in one of those states that seems to want to regulate every waking minute of your life, or where you can BREATHE, my advice would be, "move." There are other places in this country where people have some sense.

Andria

Be careful, Andria. We should not disrespect the people who arbitrarily decided it's not OK to vape outside in the open, by blatantly vaping outside in the open. Against their self-righteous will.

At least, we should move to a dark alley so that our morally betters are not offended by the sight of us vaping.

 

[Jorge22]

I think people can grow out of addictions. I was an alcoholic, now can drink responsibly on holiday; I can even smoke a cigarette and have no desire to smoke another for 6 months, or longer.
What I do with my ladies at the cereal island at Tesco is something altogether different, though...

I don't know if it matters that much but, yes, people can and do grow out of addictions. Some addictions leave pretty bad marks, others not so much. Addictions aren't all equal even though you may call them addictions, which is a way of simplifying what is actually as complex as every human on the planet. And some people never grow out of their addictions. Still, do we really have to name every single thing and every part of that thing, write an essay and produce a few graphics? Is that like, erm, a kind of modern addiction?

 

[caramel]

An EX smoking Vaper is an addict.. Just like with a EX {Moderated} user or drinker is still an addict even if the no longer use.
Sorry if that offends, but sometimes the TRUTH hurts.

This sounds like the ANTZ theory that if you ever touched tobacco in any form or quantity, you got addicted and the "addict" title for life whether you continue to use it or not etc. Thus the only true way to combat addiction is to completely prevent anyone from ever coming in contact with tobacco products. Except NRTs which, by definition, are drugs not tobacco products and thus not addictive.

 

[AndriaD]

Be careful, Andria. We should not disrespect the people who arbitrarily decided it's not OK to vape outside in the open, by blatantly vaping outside in the open. Against their self-righteous will.

At least, we should move to a dark alley so that our morally betters are not offended by the sight of us vaping.

Morally better??? HAH!!! Compulsive control freaks aren't better than ANYTHING! They're right up there with Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, et al, and I REFUSE to respect anyone who thinks they have the right to direct my life. To them all I might show is my backside! They can kiss it or not... I'm NOT a control freak.

People too stupid to figure out the difference between vapor and cigarette smoke (here's a hint: the SMELL!) are also not better, and will also get the view of my backside... and my vapor! They can breathe it or not, I don't care. Won't make any difference to them if they do or not. Or if it does make a difference... that is THEIR CHOICE, to allow their tiny little brain to fabricate a psychosomatic cough.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

I don't know if it matters that much but, yes, people can and do grow out of addictions. Some addictions leave pretty bad marks, others not so much. Addictions aren't all equal even though you may call them addictions, which is a way of simplifying what is actually as complex as every human on the planet. And some people never grow out of their addictions. Still, do we really have to name every single thing and every part of that thing, write an essay and produce a few graphics? Is that like, erm, a kind of modern addiction?

I believe this also, about different addictions having far different profiles. I was once addicted to "white powders", but once I was over it, over the depression that follows it, I had moved on, and that addiction no longer troubled me whatsoever; people could sniff it right in front of me, and my only reaction would be... CALL THE COPS! because I don't want crazy people anywhere near me. (and that once nearly happened, when some fool was using my bathroom to partake of his poison!)

Alcohol is a horse of another color entirely, and because it's "socially acceptable," it's all around me -- even on TV. I can nowadays be around drinkers and it doesn't affect me one iota; I don't even get a "resentment" because I can't partake with them -- I don't even mind if my son keeps some beers in my fridge -- but that wasn't always the case, and I know very well that if I ever drank again, I very likely wouldn't make it back to life and sanity -- and I'd have to go get another white chip.

The difference between the 2 addictions is, I might actually feel a temptation, however mild, to drink a beer; the white powders present me no temptation whatsoever; I'd sniff black pepper before I'd ever sniff that crap again.

Andria

 

[caramel]

I'd sniff black pepper

Aaah that nic smell in unflavoured.....

 

[SissySpike]

Morally better??? HAH!!! Compulsive control freaks aren't better than ANYTHING! They're right up there with Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, et al, and I REFUSE to respect anyone who thinks they have the right to direct my life. To them all I might show is my backside! They can kiss it or not... I'm NOT a control freak.

People too stupid to figure out the difference between vapor and cigarette smoke (here's a hint: the SMELL!) are also not better, and will also get the view of my backside... and my vapor! They can breathe it or not, I don't care. Won't make any difference to them if they do or not. Or if it does make a difference... that is THEIR CHOICE, to allow their tiny little brain to fabricate a psychosomatic cough.

Andria

Look out Redhead on the war path!

 

[caramel]

Really? What about the serious studies showing that exhaled vapor isn't any worse than ambient air? Do those not count or do you just ignore anything that doesn't support your opinion ?

"Any counter-argument shall fall on deaf ears and ignored.
The Children argument shall be repeated until complete exhaustion of the adversary.
When adversary protests, public support for The Children argument shall be invoked."

Dr. Antz Laborcamp, "The Art of Tobacco Control"

 

[Asbestos4004]

"Any counter-argument shall fall on deaf ears and ignored.
The Children argument shall be repeated until complete exhaustion of the adversary.
When adversary protests, public support for The Children argument shall be invoked."

Dr. Antz Laborcamp, "The Art of Tobacco Control"

Nicely done, Doctor!

 

[SissySpike]

"Any counter-argument shall fall on deaf ears and ignored.
The Children argument shall be repeated until complete exhaustion of the adversary.
When adversary protests, public support for The Children argument shall be invoked."

Dr. Antz Laborcamp, "The Art of Tobacco Control"

I agree with Carmel mainly cause I think shes hot She can post no wrong

 

[caramel]

Now I wonder what would happen if @buzzzlove finds out that I'm the doctor's assistant, in undercover mission here, and the good Dr. finds out that I unveiled some secrets from our strategy book......

It would surely get very hot in here.....

 

[Asbestos4004]

Now I wonder what would happen if @buzzzlove finds out that I'm the doctor's assistant, in undercover mission here, and the good Dr. finds out that I unveiled some secrets from our strategy book......

It would surely get very hot in here.....

Changes nothing....hotness gets a pass.

 

[SissySpike]

Now I wonder what would happen if @buzzzlove finds out that I'm the doctor's assistant, in undercover mission here, and the good Dr. finds out that I unveiled some secrets from our strategy book......

It would surely get very hot in here.....

Thats ok I love a challenge Ill bring you over to the good side

Still liking your post!

everybody has little quirks

 

[Asbestos4004]

Thats ok I love a challenge Ill bring you over to the good side

Still liking your post!

everybody has little quirks

I have a huge quirk.

 

[SissySpike]

good one ! I cant link this song Areo Smith big ten inch record there is a little Robin on my shoulder with a white robe and a Halo wagging her finger no and a classwife with a bat saying go ahead see what happens!

 

[Lessifer]

I'll say it again, since it seems to keep getting lost, and maybe with enough repetition it will sink in.

Asking your fellow vapers to be courteous to others in public is not the same as saying no vaping where you can't smoke.

"Clean Air" laws go far beyond restricting smoking to where it would be courteous, they are invasive and further reaching than most understand. Depending on where you live it could be illegal to vape outdoors at a public park, beach, parking lot, in your car, in your apartment, in the condominium that you OWN, the vape shop, and anywhere else where the PERCEPTION that you might be smoking has the possibility to offend someone.

 

[SissySpike]

I'll say it again, since it seems to keep getting lost, and maybe with enough repetition it will sink in.

Asking your fellow vapers to be courteous to others in public is not the same as saying no vaping where you can't smoke.

"Clean Air" laws go far beyond restricting smoking to where it would be courteous, they are invasive and further reaching than most understand. Depending on where you live it could be illegal to vape outdoors at a public park, beach, parking lot, in your car, in your apartment, in the condominium that you OWN, the vape shop, and anywhere else where the PERCEPTION that you might be smoking has the possibility to offend someone.

We need to lobby to have regulations on being offended so easily!