Question for all those "only vape where I can smoke" people.

[Lessifer]

Question for some of the ones who want to vape in public places; Kids. Do you vape around children? Your own children? If not, how come? If its perfectly safe and all, right?

I personally do not vape around my kids, I go outside just like I did when I smoked analogs. When the children go to bed, then I vape in the house. And to those who say its harmless for kids, stay away from mine!

Yes, I vape around my child, in the same room, even in the same car. Everything that I have read, including the studies put out by those who are against vaping points to "second hand vapor" being chemically indistinguishable from ambient air, when vaping under normal operating conditions.

Do you have some compelling evidence that I haven't seen that would give me a reason not to?

What you choose to do is just that, your choice, but when you want to restrict the actions of others you need to have something to support your views.

 

[Tangaroav]

And with that, this thread has just turned into another train wreck.

Time to put this one on ignore..

Pls don't go, your presence is needed to keep this thread going....

 

[mattiem]

Question for some of the ones who want to vape in public places; Kids. Do you vape around children? Your own children? If not, how come? If its perfectly safe and all, right?

If I had kids in my home, yes, I would vape around them.

I grew up during the time when smoking was allowed and expected just about every where. Long before smokers were deemed to be the lowest form of life on this planet and deserved no consideration at all. Long before the powers that be discovered that they could fill their coffers from the sweat of the smokers brow if they demonized the smokes enough to get the public behind them.

I was raised during the time where parents could decide what was best for their kids and were expected to do it themselves but didn't base their decisions on fear mongering. My eldest brother is now just shy of 70 and the youngest is 56. 5 more in between those 2. We rode in cars while both parents smoked. Lived in a home where they smoked in the house--even in the same room we were in. If all the garbage put out there as fact was in fact true, you would think at least one of us would have had some of those second hand smoke horrors, happening to us.

Now the powers that be are trying to convince the public that vaping is gonna kill their kids and sadly, there are those that are so brainwashed, they believe it. And what is even more sad-----it is not just the general public that believes the lies----seems their are vapers that believe it too. Looks like the smear campaigns are working just as planned.

 

[Spidey2011]

Question for some of the ones who want to vape in public places; Kids. Do you vape around children? Your own children? If not, how come? If its perfectly safe and all, right?

I personally do not vape around my kids, I go outside just like I did when I smoked analogs. When the children go to bed, then I vape in the house. And to those who say its harmless for kids, stay away from mine!

Yep. Always blow my vapor in a different direction, but I do that around anyone. Not just kids......

 

[Tangaroav]

I certainly would not vape if children were present when indoor. As a matter of fact I refrain from vaping when I am indoor and in public.

To do otherwise is, imo, anti-social behavior. To claim that the vapor from electronic cigarettes are not harmful is at best a very ignorant statement .

 

[Lessifer]

I certainly would not vape if children were present when indoor. As a matter of fact I refrain from vaping when I am indoor and in public.

To do otherwise is, imo, anti-social behavior. To claim that the vapor from electronic cigarettes are not harmful is at best a very ignorant statement .

Please, enlighten me. What evidence have you seen that would cause you to believe that second hand vapor is more harmful than ambient air?

 

[Tangaroav]

Please, enlighten me. What evidence have you seen that would cause you to believe that second hand vapor is more harmful than ambient air?

Since you vape with children even while inside a car, what evidence do YOU have that it is NOT harmful. Keep in mind that many e-liquids contain diketones a known poison for the human respiratory system.

Your position seems to be a lot like what the cigarette industry's position was during the 50's concerning the health hazards of cigarettes.

 

[Lessifer]

Since you vape with children even while inside a car, what evidence do YOU have that it is NOT harmful. Keep in mind that many e-liquids contain diketones a known poison for the human respiratory system.

That's not how this works. If it were, what evidence do you have that air conditioning, air fresheners, cell phones, car exhaust, flouridated drinking water, energy drinks, staring at computer screens, caramel color, etc. are NOT harmful? Keep in mind that all of these environmental agents started becoming prevalent around the same time that various cancers seemed to explode among the population.

A zero harm requirement is impossible to meet. There are studies showing that the amount of compounds found in second hand vapor are so low they are at times only detectable, not measurable.

Your position seems to be a lot like what the cigarette industry's position was during the 50's concerning the heath hazards of cigarettes.

Yes, I imagine it is. If you want to make health claims about a product, positive or negative, you need to be able to back that up with science. Especially if your claims are being used as the basis for legislation. Otherwise I could say that the plastic used in water bottles causes cancer, we need to restrict the use of plastic water bottles, and by the way, I own a company that makes reusable metal canteens if you're interested.

 

[skoony]

Since you vape with children even while inside a car, what evidence do YOU have that it is NOT harmful. Keep in mind that many e-liquids contain diketones a known poison for the human respiratory system.

with less than 30 verifiable cases since the time it was discovered
and all but one being a non-industry worker, your statement has no merit.
mike

 

[Tangaroav]

with less than 30 verifiable cases since the time it was discovered
and all but one being a non-industry worker, your statement has no merit.
mike

Diketones are regulated harmful ingredients . What qualifications do YOU have to say this regulation has no merit ?

 

[skoony]

Diketones are regulated harmful ingredients . What qualifications do YOU have to say this regulation has no merit ?

maybe 30 cases ever reported in the US ever.show me the
concern for harm.30 out of 350 million plus people.
its a statistical aberration. nothing more.
mike

 

[DC2]

Question for some of the ones who want to vape in public places; Kids. Do you vape around children? Your own children? If not, how come? If its perfectly safe and all, right?

I don't have children, but if I did I would vape around them.
But I do vape around the children of others, with no apologies or concern.

If the parents have a problem with that I will be sure never to be near them again.
Be they friends, relatives, or the random nobody.

Luckily, everyone I know understands the truth.
Because I've learned them about it.


It's not so much that I HAVE to vape.
It's more that I don't hang out with purposely ignorant people.

I personally do not vape around my kids, I go outside just like I did when I smoked analogs. When the children go to bed, then I vape in the house. And to those who say its harmless for kids, stay away from mine!

Don't worry, you couldn't pay me to hang around with you or your children.

 

[DC2]

Since you vape with children even while inside a car, what evidence do YOU have that it is NOT harmful. Keep in mind that many e-liquids contain diketones a known poison for the human respiratory system.

I don't mean to be rude, but you don't seem to understand the following concept...
The dose makes the poison.

There is no way in hell that second-hand diketones from vaping will ever harm anyone.
Not now, not tomorrow, and not next Thursday.

 

[caramel]

Did anyone analyze Lessifer's SHV for diketones? Found any? Last time I heard he was vaping unflavoured, how did diketones get into this discussion?

 

[DC2]

Did anyone analyze Lessifer's SHV for diketones? Found any? Last time I heard he was vaping unflavoured, how did diketones get into this discussion?

"The Children" of course.

 

[caramel]

"The Children" of course.

Ah, OK.

 

[freeall]

After all this, yup, I still only vape where I lit a smoke.

Off to WalMart, I go. Damn, you mean I gotta wait till I get outside to vape? My life sucks.

 

[Asbestos4004]

After all this, yup, I still only vape where I lit a smoke.

Off to WalMart, I go. Damn, you mean I gotta wait till I get outside to vape? My life sucks.

at Walmart, you can only vape in the cereal ISLE

 

[caramel]

at Walmart, you can only vape in the cereal ISLE

I don't like cereals. What to do, what to do?

 

[Davect06607]

at Walmart, you can only vape in the cereal ISLE

Lol, Cloud 9 Cereal Killer of course!