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  1. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Ok I have about a half bottle of the 1% HA IC left mixed July 19th. A test of the cream brought a mild sweetness but otherwise unremarkable flavor. I tried my Strawberry Rhubarb Cheesecake mixed with 1% cream and it is tasty but I'm undecided at this time if I prefer it with or without. Then I tried my Chocolate Raspberry Cheesecake with 1% cream and the cream really tastes good in this one. That's all I did because the others really need to get at least a couple weeks on them.
     
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  2. dmska

    dmska Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 9, 2011
    What % did you vape this as a stand alone? I think I used butter pecan pie and butterscotch cream pie at 5or 6 %. I'm also trying to find the right % to use wf honey roasted peanut.
     
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  3. JCinFLA

    JCinFLA Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 21, 2015
    Bill's Magic Vapor (ex-commercial eliquid maker, well-known and loved ECF member, a wealth of info. on DIY, etc.) was someone I learned a lot from in my early days of DIY. I tried many of his recipes, read his blog (there's a wealth of info. in it by the way), followed him on the TFA thread, etc. He's not been active for awhile now on ECF, but I still regularly use some of his techniques, hints & suggestions, etc. and I refer back to a file I have saved with a bunch of his "stuff".

    One of his methods used to easily make various eliquid recipes was to make what he called "bases". (I've always thought he probably used these as a commercial mixer.) Specific flavorings are mixed to make each specific "base" type. That 1 base could then be turned into any number of different eliquids of that "type"...by simply adding a different single primary flavoring to the base. I'm thinking those "bases" were probably a type of "stone", as people are calling them nowadays.

    Here are a few of them below and his recommendations for using each one. All flavorings are TFA unless otherwise noted. He is/was a high total flavoring % guy. But it's easy to cut that down. At first, I made them as written, but I've found that cutting each by 1/2 is still flavorful enough, for me.

    For several years, I made 120mL or larger bottles of several of his bases. I'd then just pull off some of the "base" and add a single Primary flavoring to make my individual recipes. Worked like a charm for me.

    Custard - Make a custard eliquid by adding any single flavoring to this mix. You just need to work out the % for that flavoring. It's usually going to be between about 7-13%. Starting at no more than 7% for stronger flavorings would be best.

    Cotton Candy 7%
    Vanilla Custard 6%
    Bavarian Cream 6%

    Creams - This cream recipe is great with fruits and just about anything else. Add a single primary flavor ingredient to this, in the 10-15% range. I would start at 10% and increase until you find the sweet spot.

    Sweet Cream - 5%
    Vanilla Swirl - 5%
    Hazelnut - 2-3%
    Honey - 3%
    Sweetener - 2-3%

    Vanilla Milkshake Base - Add about 5% of any fruit flavoring to make that flavor milkshake.

    VBIC - 10%
    Marshmallow - 5%
    French Vanilla Deluxe - 4%
    Sweetener - 3%
    Dulce de Leche - 2%
    Koolada - 1%

    He also has bases for cobbler, danish, and pies.
     
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  4. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    "Tart" is going to be kind of tough with those two; both are for the most part "sweet." I would look to LA Tart & Sour, or similar, to get that. Small amounts of grapefruit or rhubarb may also be useful.

    Depth is a bit easier. Meringue, or marshmallow, will both add depth without changing flavor profile much. Caramel is a popular combination, with pear and/or apple, and also adds richness. Coconut is another that can add complexity, and some depth. A touch of cinnamon is good for giving a suggestion of "cooked" fruit, and can add a bit of complexity, but doesn't add much depth on its own. Bakery (Pie Crust, Graham Cracker, Danish) can all add depth, and take the fruit in more of a pastry direction.
     
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  5. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    That's funny we were both thinking of Bill. :D
     
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  6. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Day after tomorrow I'll be trying my Stixx A+. It will be i week old. @ceeceeisme Tried her A+ at one week and really liked it in her recipe. I'll be trying mine solo.
     
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  7. PJReid

    PJReid Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Our taste buds are certainly unique to us. I don't find the FE Lemon to be much sweeter, if any, than FA Lemon Sicily. Have you tried INW Lemon Mix? It will fade, but does have a zing to it. My solution to lemon fading is to make only a couple of weeks worth at a time. That will be interesting when I go back East for my birth of my middle daughter's baby. I will have to take several weeks of juice with me because all of my mixing supplies are here, in Washington State.
     
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  8. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I got a lot of ideas from Bill but could never vape his high flavor recipes. Even back then it was way too much flavor for me.
     
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  9. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I do have INW Lemon Mix but will have to do a sft. I'm pretty certain I found it sweet.
     
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  10. IDJoel

    IDJoel Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 20, 2015
    Boise, ID
    I'm like JC, in that I began by mixing journey, following Bill and his methods. For me, it worked well enough with the old Stardusts, and Vivi Novas, but it became a matter of cost. Mixing at 33% flavoring got expensive, and I was reading about others mixing at 5-10% (using other mfgs.), and I started branching out. :)
     
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  11. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    LOL. I followed Bill to check out his recipes but I could never use his methods.
     
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  12. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You also have to remember who his audience was/is. Mixing commercially meant peoples taste buds were problem still dulled from smoking cigarettes, so he geared his system towards that so that they could be tasted by them. I think he fully expected us to dilute them down once our's healed.

    :)
     
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  13. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I like my new version of Irish Whiskey much better. Dropping the Whiskey to 2 % and it's not overwhelming the other flavors now. The Whiskey itself is a better flavor at 2%.
     
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  14. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I know this sounds dumb, but I just didn't have the patience(at that time) to fiddle that much with his methods. Of course, I was still working 60+hrs a week and traveling, so while I understood the concept, I just never had the time.

    :)
     
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  15. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I mixed my Bittersweet Chocolate Cheesecake with the 1% cream also. Haven't tried that one yet but I'm betting the cream will benefit it a lot. It's less than 2 weeks old but I'll try it soon.
     
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  16. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You lacked the time and I lacked the desire.
     
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  17. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sounds like there may be an ole country song in there somewhere????

    LMAO

    :)
     
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  18. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Well now that I'm done playing with this cream for awhile..I'm lost. Need to find a recipe to mix or something.
     
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  19. FranC

    FranC TWR Co-Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    LOL,I'm sure......
     
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  20. ceeceeisme

    ceeceeisme Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    I use the Butterscotch Cream Pie at 7% for a stand alone.

    WF(SC) Honey Roasted Peanuts isn't really a stand alone kind of flavor and I find the higher you get, the drier it gets. I use it as an accent flavor only for TFA Peanut Butter and usually keep it below 1%. (4% TFA PB with 1% WF(SC) Honey Roasted Peanuts)
     
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