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Zazie

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I do not know if I can help. Tell me a little bit about the arroz con leche — brands/flavors used, percents, how long steeped? How long did you steep Mango Blossom Macaron and did you deviate from the recipe?
Arroz con Leche
Custard Premium (FA) 3.00
Horchata (Capella) 2.00
Raisin Rum (Flavorah) 0.75
Rice Pudding (OOO) 2.00
Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah) 0.20
Shisha Orange (Inawera) 0.40
Sweet Rice (FE) 3.00
Eight-day steep.

I didn't stray from the Mango Flower Macaron recipe and steeped it eight days, as it instructed. I couldn't taste the bakery component or, as I said, the almond.
I have a big stash of various atomizers for my golden oldy moldy years when I can't build
I tried some years ago before rtas were a thing. I didn’t know you could still get them.
I got them from Avid Vapor, upon the recommendation of @Baditude, when I was wondering how to test flavors in my introductory thread. He said bridgeless atomizers would suit my purposes better than bridged. Which leads me to . . l
or even install prewound coils, or I maybe run run out of drop-ins. Have bought them in "lots" mostly, when vendors were blowing them out on Clearance. Quite a few are the little shorty, cigalike diameter, 510 ones, but most are the joyetech eGo Mega Cone Shaped ones and Cylinder shaped ones. Only a few are bridgeless and the rest have the mesh bridge in them. They work well enough for me, to help with tweaking a recipe, when doing the 100DTT using them.

If you get the Berserker and it doesn't work out for you, I'll gladly send you some of the bridged atomizers. Maybe they'd work better for you than the bridgeless.

Oops...It just dawned on me, IIRC you ordered the Berserker from FT. So if you'd like to try some while waiting for it to arrive, I can go ahead and send some on Friday.
You are very kind. I ordered four more bridgeless attys from AV before I persuaded myself to buy the Berserker(ish), but it would be interesting to see whether the mesh bridge would communicate flavors better.

I just topped off my Dinner Lady Rice Pudding tank with my Arroz con Leche and my DL Lemon Tart with the Vaperol Spritz. The latter tastes like Orange Crush, it's too sweet, but I like it. When I bump up the bitter and boozy/sour, I'll like it even more (cutting the sweetness will have to wait till I mix the recipe again). The Rice Pudding tank was less empty (the other was really low), so the DL is still dominant. I'll find out soon enough how my version compares. Either way, I'm getting masses more flavor from my Zeniths than the bridgeless atomizers yielded.

Your Cheesecake Base #2 smells delicious, @FranC. First time I've really caught bakery notes from sniffing a juice.
 

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    I’m trying some more of the lemondowski in an rda and it’s really good. I keep liking several different lemon recipes but am almost to the point where that’s all I’m using. I hope I don’t get burnt out on it.
     

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    Whew, I am finding out that 10mgs/ml of nic is too much for me now. Good! My supply will last longer.

    I did a ton of testing this morning - everything at my regular 12mg. It took so long and after double checking every mix (by taking 10 puffs instead of 5) I was officially overnicotined :vapor: Didn't vape for at least 2 hours after that ;)
     

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    I’m trying some more of the lemondowski in an rda and it’s really good. I keep liking several different lemon recipes but am almost to the point where that’s all I’m using. I hope I don’t get burnt out on it.
    I'm really looking forward to trying that one.
     

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    Arroz con Leche
    Custard Premium (FA) 3.00
    Horchata (Capella) 2.00
    Raisin Rum (Flavorah) 0.75
    Rice Pudding (OOO) 2.00
    Rich Cinnamon (Flavorah) 0.20
    Shisha Orange (Inawera) 0.40
    Sweet Rice (FE) 3.00
    Eight-day steep.

    I didn't stray from the Mango Flower Macaron recipe and steeped it eight days, as it instructed. I couldn't taste the bakery component or, as I said, the almond..

    I have no business making any suggestion however…..you have a lot going on. If it was me, I would drop OoO Rice Pudding and up FE Sweet Rice to 5% — I can taste sweet rice at this percent. I cannot speak to OoO Rice however FE Sweet Rice does fade. I would steep 1-3 days. For the pudding I would use FLV Cream with FA Cream Fresh if you have these flavors instead of Custard Premium and add a little vanilla and maybe a little meringue or just reduce Custard Premium. I would drop the Raisin Rum and Orange temporarily. FLV Rich Cinnamon is a strong flavor so you may want to drop this just a tad. I find RC does not fade.

    Mango Blossom Macaron — I do not know what changed for me because last year whenever I mixed this I never tasted the Honeysuckle. A friend of mine tried it as well and did not taste the Honeysuckle. I have been vaping this for the last several days and I get the Honeysuckle and Mango up front and on the exhale the cookie part. The Honeysuckle has started to fade. The developer of this recipe made mention that it can use some sort of sweetener. I do not use sweeteners and if anything next time I mix it I may try adding a little marshmallow.

    This is a me thing — whenever I try someone’s else’s recipe I mix it as written. After I have vaped it, I may or may not make adjustments and most of the time I make no changes. There are certain brands that I do not vape so I may sub it out depending on what it is or just not mix the recipe.

    Taste is subjective. More importantly I am not good at developing recipes so what I mentioned are not necessarily correct and you do not have to incorporate them. Just some ideas.
     

    Zazie

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    I have no business making any suggestion however…..you have a lot going on. If it was me, I would drop OoO Rice Pudding and up FE Sweet Rice to 5% — I can taste sweet rice at this percent. I cannot speak to OoO Rice however FE Sweet Rice does fade. I would steep 1-3 days. For the pudding I would use FLV Cream with FA Cream Fresh if you have these flavors instead of Custard Premium and add a little vanilla and maybe a little meringue or just reduce Custard Premium. I would drop the Raisin Rum and Orange temporarily. FLV Rich Cinnamon is a strong flavor so you may want to drop this just a tad. I find RC does not fade.

    Mango Blossom Macaron — I do not know what changed for me because last year whenever I mixed this I never tasted the Honeysuckle. A friend of mine tried it as well and did not taste the Honeysuckle. I have been vaping this for the last several days and I get the Honeysuckle and Mango up front and on the exhale the cookie part. The Honeysuckle has started to fade. The developer of this recipe made mention that it can use some sort of sweetener. I do not use sweeteners and if anything next time I mix it I may try adding a little marshmallow.

    This is a me thing — whenever I try someone’s else’s recipe I mix it as written. After I have vaped it, I may or may not make adjustments and most of the time I make no changes. There are certain brands that I do not vape so I may sub it out depending on what it is or just not mix the recipe.

    Taste is subjective. More importantly I am not good at developing recipes so what I mentioned are not necessarily correct and you do not have to incorporate them. Just some ideas.
    And I thank you for them. Upping the Sweet Rice and dropping the OOO Rice Pudding, I will absolutely try, as well as switching out the custard for FLV Cream with FA Cream Fresh, as you suggest. Rum, orange, and cinnamon are vital to the arroz con leche I'm trying to recreate, though, so I'm going to keep them in, if maybe with a tad less orange (shisha orange is powerful). I'm even going to increase the rum raisin a tad (or maybe add some plain rum), because I can't taste it at all at the moment.

    Sweet Rice fades so quickly that it's gone after eight days? Guess 10-15ml bottles at a pop are in order. Unfortunately, this was the recipe I screwed up at the start by adding too much cinnamon so I made more to get the proportions right, ending up with 40mls instead of the 10mls I intended. It's not a disaster--I like it as much as the Dinner Lady, and I'll vape it up just fine--but I'd rather mix the recipe again with adjustments. Oh well. In a few weeks.

    Tomorrow I'm going to fill a fresh tank with the Mango Blossom Macaron. I'll be able to give it a more thorough tryout that way. I have a feeling the different flavors will become much more noticeable. Can't imagine wanting it sweeter, though.
     

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    And I thank you for them. Upping the Sweet Rice and dropping the OOO Rice Pudding, I will absolutely try, as well as switching out the custard for FLV Cream with FA Cream Fresh, as you suggest. Rum, orange, and cinnamon are vital to the arroz con leche I'm trying to recreate, though, so I'm going to keep them in, if maybe with a tad less orange (shisha orange is powerful). I'm even going to increase the rum raisin a tad (or maybe add some plain rum), because I can't taste it at all at the moment.

    Sweet Rice fades so quickly that it's gone after eight days? Guess 10-15ml bottles at a pop are in order. Unfortunately, this was the recipe I screwed up at the start by adding too much cinnamon so I made more to get the proportions right, ending up with 40mls instead of the 10mls I intended. It's not a disaster--I like it as much as the Dinner Lady, and I'll vape it up just fine--but I'd rather mix the recipe again with adjustments. Oh well. In a few weeks.

    Tomorrow I'm going to fill a fresh tank with the Mango Blossom Macaron. I'll be able to give it a more thorough tryout that way. I have a feeling the different flavors will become much more noticeable. Can't imagine wanting it sweeter, though.

    I was not clear — when I mentioned to leave out the rum raisin and orange temporarily it was because you indicated you could not taste the rice. It could be OoO Rice was diluting it causing it to be bland but I do not know this cause I have never used it. FE Sweet Rice does not develop with a steep. Once you get the rice pudding down so that you can taste the rice, then add in the other flavors.

    When you get the recipe to where you are happy with it, then you should be able to determine at what point the rice starts to fade for you. I do not vape just one flavor during the course of a day and always have multiple tanks going so for myself I would never mix more than 20mls.
     

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    @Zazie, I am inclined to agree with @NotSoMini.
    Once you get the rice pudding down so that you can taste the rice, then add in the other flavors.
    I find, that when trying to create complex recipes, it is best to do it in stages. It may seem to take a bit more time... but, unless you are extremely familiar with the concentrates you are using... it is likely going to save time in the long run. When combining several unfamiliar ingredients all at once, it is hard to know which ingredient is doing what (muting, dominating, pulling others off track, or just wrong for the effect you are seeking). You can spend a lot of time, trying to "fix" a problem that is nonexistent, while the real problem child remains unattended.

    Instead, I find it more informative, and productive... to do it incrementally.

    First, figure out how the (desired) end result in "layered." What are the core components? What are accents? Do some accents take precedence over others? Think of dominant, vs. weak, flavors. Then, when you have that figured out, you can start developing the recipe the same way... one layer at a time, starting with the most dominant, and progressing one ingredient at a time. In this manner it is easy to tell when one ingredient is (or isn't) working in the recipe.

    I am not personally familiar with Arroz con Leche. But, after doing a bit of googling and recipe reading, I might start with something along this line:

    -- The rice pudding seems to be the center of this dessert. However, it (the real dessert) does not seem to depend on eggs for binding/setting up the custard-like milk base (instead, depending on the rice starch). Therefore, I would think twice about using either a heavy custard (normally "eggy"). Getting this rice foundation correct, seems (to me) to be imparative. Without this being right, nothing else is going to seem right either.

    I have not tried any rice concentrates; so I am no real help. If I were in your shoes, I would start by dong SFTs of your three rice possibilities (if you haven't already). One, or the other, may work. Plus, you can experiment at the same time, by trying different combinations of them (if needed).

    If that sounds like more work than you are willing to do; then, you might consider trying enyawreklaw's YEO recipe on ATF. The description seems to be pretty solid for a rice &dairy foundation. And, it has received a lot (for ATF standards) favorable reviews. It is also quite simple (often the best kind).
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    If this is not "thick" enough on its own; swapping out the TFA-Vanilla Swirl for a light custard (like INW-Custard) might help tighten up the dairy note.

    Once you have the rice pudding where you want it, then add the next most prominent note... maybe the raisins(?). Get that balanced the way you like, then add the next most prominent (cinnamon?). And, finally the orange (assuming that is the lightest note).

    Lastly, once all the flavors are right and balanced, evaluate the whole for the possible need of added sweetener.

    The benefit of working on one flavor note at a time, is that you will immediately know when an ingredient is trying to yank your recipe off course, and will be able to correct it.

    This is by far, not the only way to flesh out a new concoction, but it works for me. :)

    Just remember one of the DIY primary rules: "Don't add an ingredient unless it is actually contributing something." It is often easier to start with too few ingredients, and add to fill in the missing pieces; than it is to start with too many, and try to figure out what needs to go. :thumb:
     

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    I got an email from 3avape this morning that my package made it to Chicago after a month and a half. My PayPal case was supposed to be settled by Friday so they are probably sweating the cut off date. I’m not dropping the dispute until I have it. I let them know that I’ll never order from them again after how they handled it.
     

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    I got an email from 3avape this morning that my package made it to Chicago after a month and a half. My PayPal case was supposed to be settled by Friday so they are probably sweating the cut off date. I’m not dropping the dispute until I have it. I let them know that I’ll never order from them again after how they handled it.
    Don't blame you.
     

    Zazie

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    I was not clear — when I mentioned to leave out the rum raisin and orange temporarily it was because you indicated you could not taste the rice. It could be OoO Rice was diluting it causing it to be bland but I do not know this cause I have never used it. FE Sweet Rice does not develop with a steep. Once you get the rice pudding down so that you can taste the rice, then add in the other flavors.

    When you get the recipe to where you are happy with it, then you should be able to determine at what point the rice starts to fade for you. I do not vape just one flavor during the course of a day and always have multiple tanks going so for myself I would never mix more than 20mls.
    Ah, that make sense. I'll try that next time.

    I have five tanks in rotation, so I, too, will be mixing small amounts at a time. I'll use 30ml bottles but I'll only be mixing 20-25mls at a time in them; the extra space is to make agitation easier.
    Use the excess mixed and make adjustments on them :)
    I will, if only to make vaping them up more enjoyable. Serious tweaking will require starting afresh, though, since I'm taking some stuff out (the sweetener in the Vaperol Spritz, for example).
    Plus be sure to make notes:)
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    @Zazie, I am inclined to agree with @NotSoMini.

    I find, that when trying to create complex recipes, it is best to do it in stages. It may seem to take a bit more time... but, unless you are extremely familiar with the concentrates you are using... it is likely going to save time in the long run. When combining several unfamiliar ingredients all at once, it is hard to know which ingredient is doing what (muting, dominating, pulling others off track, or just wrong for the effect you are seeking). You can spend a lot of time, trying to "fix" a problem that is nonexistent, while the real problem child remains unattended.

    Instead, I find it more informative, and productive... to do it incrementally.

    First, figure out how the (desired) end result in "layered." What are the core components? What are accents? Do some accents take precedence over others? Think of dominant, vs. weak, flavors. Then, when you have that figured out, you can start developing the recipe the same way... one layer at a time, starting with the most dominant, and progressing one ingredient at a time. In this manner it is easy to tell when one ingredient is (or isn't) working in the recipe.

    I am not personally familiar with Arroz con Leche. But, after doing a bit of googling and recipe reading, I might start with something along this line:

    -- The rice pudding seems to be the center of this dessert. However, it (the real dessert) does not seem to depend on eggs for binding/setting up the custard-like milk base (instead, depending on the rice starch). Therefore, I would think twice about using either a heavy custard (normally "eggy"). Getting this rice foundation correct, seems (to me) to be imparative. Without this being right, nothing else is going to seem right either.

    I have not tried any rice concentrates; so I am no real help. If I were in your shoes, I would start by dong SFTs of your three rice possibilities (if you haven't already). One, or the other, may work. Plus, you can experiment at the same time, by trying different combinations of them (if needed).

    If that sounds like more work than you are willing to do; then, you might consider trying enyawreklaw's YEO recipe on ATF. The description seems to be pretty solid for a rice &dairy foundation. And, it has received a lot (for ATF standards) favorable reviews. It is also quite simple (often the best kind).
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    If this is not "thick" enough on its own; swapping out the TFA-Vanilla Swirl for a light custard (like INW-Custard) might help tighten up the dairy note.

    Once you have the rice pudding where you want it, then add the next most prominent note... maybe the raisins(?). Get that balanced the way you like, then add the next most prominent (cinnamon?). And, finally the orange (assuming that is the lightest note).

    Lastly, once all the flavors are right and balanced, evaluate the whole for the possible need of added sweetener.

    The benefit of working on one flavor note at a time, is that you will immediately know when an ingredient is trying to yank your recipe off course, and will be able to correct it.

    This is by far, not the only way to flesh out a new concoction, but it works for me. :)

    Just remember one of the DIY primary rules: "Don't add an ingredient unless it is actually contributing something." It is often easier to start with too few ingredients, and add to fill in the missing pieces; than it is to start with too many, and try to figure out what needs to go. :thumb:
    Everything you say makes sense, and it's what I was more or less planning to do in future (I'm dutifully making sfts of all my flavors). I just couldn't resist mixing what I came up with as a total novice just to see what it was like. And it's not too bad, which is encouraging. Think what I may be able to do when I actually know what I'm doing!
     

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    Ah, that make sense. I'll try that next time.

    I have five tanks in rotation, so I, too, will be mixing small amounts at a time. I'll use 30ml bottles but I'll only be mixing 20-25mls at a time in them; the extra space is to make agitation easier.

    I will, if only to make vaping them up more enjoyable. Serious tweaking will require starting afresh, though, since I'm taking some stuff out (the sweetener in the Vaperol Spritz, for example).

    I am, I promise.

    Everything you say makes sense, and it's what I was more or less planning to do in future (I'm dutifully making sfts of all my flavors). I just couldn't resist mixing what I came up with as a total novice just to see what it was like. And it's not too bad, which is encouraging. Think what I may be able to do when I actually know what I'm doing!
    I think you're doing great!!:)
     

    Zazie

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    Bot the Arroz con Leche and the Vaperol Spritz started to make me cough last night. I think it's the nicotine. I went from three air holes to two and that seems to have solved the problem. I definitely have to dilute my mixing base before I get to work again. My 10mg days are over.

    I really should try some sfts today and mix some more, but I feel lousy so I'm not going to. See, sfts? You're not the boss of me.
     
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