RANT - no one is doing anything to help themselves. Heads in the sand!!

[Steve803]

Very valid point. I do not tweet and have no intention of making a twitter account. I did send an email to the Vero Beach city council when they were getting ready to ban it there, even though I don't live in the area, but i didn't need to go far to find the link to send them an email. I assume my voice was heard but the city council members in Vero were more receptive to the people then the law makers in Duluth were.

From the article I read the council members ignored the people and voted their own agenda. I think it is now up to the people of Duluth to vote against these same law makers when election time comes around. IF they remember their rights were taken away from them without their support.

If there was more links readily available for the masses to spam the areas that are hot spots with support for PV's then I think we could be much more effective then we are now. I didn't email anyone in Duluth but I did post comments on the article pages and send the ACS my thoughts on Facebook and in emails. It might have been after the fact but it didn't look like it was going to be a win for vaper's in the area. They had already made up their minds before anyone got there to fight the battle.

No. There is no need to devolve this into a political debate. My original point stands. People feel that vaping is going to loose, so they do not want to stick up for themselves.

Therefore, we will loose because apathy always wins the day for the other side. Deluth vapers lost because most of them didn't try. If it happens where I live, I'm going to try. It would be nice if I knew I would have backup. Even if it's a tweet from across the world saying that vaping is good... From 1000 people.

I have an advantage. Where I live is a tourist area. So a lot of messages saying that you will deny the area revenue will probably work wonders. But how can we stop these other places?

By being heard.

 

[kbf101998]

I am relatively new to vaping--I smoked for 38 years! I am personally VERY tired of being Nannied to death over not just smoking or vaping but soft drink sizes, types etc.

Most of the time 'follow the money'- it is always about the money but people don't understand that and just follow the crowd 'against' whatever...they don't bother to educate themselves they just jump on the wagon with the most people on it and ride ride ride and it all snowballs out of control!

Without intending to offend any one --I will repeat that I do not see the hostile attitude to one of the most recognized 'health' issues--obesity. I wonder what kind of fight there would be if politicians and the groups that want to actually send smokers out of the country- started installing scales in grocery store check out lines to determine what a person could purchase to eat---or scales in restaurants to determine what a person could order to eat.
To me the above is the same thing as putting smokers and people that want to vape in little areas with cages around them and no place to properly dispose of the butts. I am sick and tired of the attitude.

This past week I traveled to another state, I was in a restaurant and was getting my reading glasses out of my purse--I set my PV on the table as well as a few other things from my purse so I could get to my glasses. I had no intention of using my PV in the restaurant although I can often do so in my state. Before I could even get to the glasses--the manager of the restaurant ran over to my table and said, "we treat those things the same as we treat cigarettes".
It really made me angry but I just calmly looked at him straight in the eye and simply said "why".

He looked confused and stuttered around a bit and finally just said...."because we do". He didn't even KNOW WHY--

I have joined the CASAA and I plan to do what I can to fight for the PRINCIPLE that I too have rights!

I am truly sick of the 'sheep mentality' and the discrimination. If it was truly about health....as I stated above...there would be other groups who were 'harming' themselves targeted for 'protection from themselves too'.

 

[stoopid]

I just wanted to point something out. Hard to calm down when you increase the level of nicotine you are ingesting. It is a stimulant. You might want to decrease to Zero Point Zero - YouTube

I just wanted to point something out. I'm pretty sure that 10 million thread was referring to 10 million posts, not 10 million active members. Also, I can only speak for myself but I tweet the Daily Action Plan tweets fairly regularly, I just don't post to the thread saying "did it" or "done". I hope that helps ease your mind some. Vape on everyone!

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

No, just stop complaining when the ones you vote for take away your 'rights.'

I don't recall complaining about this issue.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

sorry, not a single issue voter.

There are other issues that scare the crap out of me far more than someone taking my RIGHT to vape in a restaurant away.

Having said that,,,,,,,,,I don't believe or agree with every single thing my party says or does,,,,,,,and I'll still continue to fight for my rights to vape.

This. This exactly.

 

[CaliforniaGirl]

Hmmm. Well, I read the daily action plan and do my part when it come to that and other vape legislation things NOT listed in a given day's plan. I don't post "done" or "did it". Many of us don't. Several members have brought up the fact that many of the calls for action pertain to people LIVING in a particular area or town. If you aren't a resident, you have no say in the meetings. I understand your frustration but, before lashing out at fellow vapers maybe that should have been considered. Yes, your post did irritate me but not for the reasons you intended, and yes, you did intend to irritate. It irritated me because of the assumptions made and the whole intent to shame others that you perceived to be doing "less than you are". We, as vapers, have enough stacked against us. Be it big tobacco or political parties or aliens, we have those with a great deal of power standing squarely in our way daring us to move them. Move them? We will if we stand together and encourage each other instead of pointing fingers, blaming, and accusing each other of a perceived wrong.
We all need to take a stand. We just don't all take that stand in the same way. While we need to come together as a group we also need to realize that this group is made up of individuals with different ideas and ideals. Some of us will write emails and letters and tweet until our fingers bleed while others who wouldn't do that will gladly attend meetings or protests. It takes all kinds. It takes multiple ways to get our message across. Heads in the sand? I don't think so. Not for as many as you may believe. If you follow the results and the stats as to how many tweets or emails go out and then add them to the stats for how many people go to town hall meetings and support lobbyists then add that number to the number of people who post youtube videos to get the word out, write blogs... the numbers add up. Do I think we have done enough yet? No. I just don't think we need to turn on each other.
Honestly, that's what THEY (whomever you believe THEY is, big tobacco, pharmaceuticals, political parties, aliens, or gremlins) want to see. That's my 3 1/2 cents.

Absolutely, positively brilliant post and very maturely stated...I had some of these thoughts in mind but didn't know how to state them without being snotty about it...THANK YOU for this very concise, very good post.

 

[Ref Minor]

While I love to fight for my rights as much as the next guy... As a full time (60+ hours a week) working citizen, it's hard to compete with whiny hipster soccer moms that don't work and have nothing better to do than to .....

And please... Don't let my post deter anyone from keeping up the good fight.

Especially the whiny hipster soccer moms.

 

[CommaHolly]

IMO....I really don't think there should be a political party argument here. There are both Dem's and Rep's that oppose and support vaping. From reading many of the articles and comments under the articles, I believe our opponents fit into a few classifications that are governing their attitudes and votes. All the vaper's I know personally cover the entire cross section of the political spectrum. From ultra conservative to mainstream liberals. There is no niche side that fits into that argument, how could it be, just read the posts here on the forum. The vaper's demographic is the entire country and we are all affected by this ignorance to ban us and our choices.

I think we have some law makers that are being bought. By whom? Big tobacco, Pharma, the health industry...these are all the groups that would lose huge amounts of profit if they don't have smokers to fill their pockets with our cash.

What about all the revenues lost by the taxes we no longer pay. Here's a link to the list of Florida county tax revenues earned from alcohol and tobacco. States profiting the most from sin | WESH Home - News Considering how it seems all of our communities are struggling with revenue loss this could be a undisclosed reason for trying to keep us all on tobacco.

What about the personal reasons like people that have lost a family member and are now pushing to save everybody's lives. Even though it's none of their @@!! business what we choose to do they are just as passionate about their cause as we are about ours'.

I find this finger pointing at any political party just trolling for an argument and making people feel alienated from the community as a whole. The actions being taken against us affects us all. Live and let live...not...do as I say not as I do.

very very well said!

 

[Big Screen D]

Haven't read through this entire thread, so my take has surely been more eloquently been made by others.

Simply put, the problem is much larger than politicians and bureaucrats intruding into the rights of vapers. Government has incrementally been stripping us of our liberty for decades such that the founders wouldn't recognize this country anymore. Though it has accelerated in recent years, this intrusion into our lives has been taking place for a very long time. It was primarily right wing moralist that brought about prohibition, and today it is leftist that have asserted, or tried to assert laws even to dictate what our children may be allowed to eat at government schools, or infamously, the size of soda one may be allowed to consume by law.





Frankly I'm astonished that vaping has managed to continue on unregulated as long as it has when one considers that even children's lemonade stands have been shut down due to lack of licensing in some Gestapo run jurisdictions.

 

[Ref Minor]

Frankly I'm astonished that vaping has managed to continue on unregulated as long as it has when one considers that even children's lemonade stands have been shut down due to lack of licensing in some Gestapo run jurisdictions.

I am not sure you understand what the Gestapo was considering you are comparing the closing of a lemonade stand to them?

 

[Big Screen D]

I am not sure you understand what the Gestapo was considering you are comparing the closing of a lemonade stand to them?

Can't argue that my statement is not hyperbole, and rest assured, I know full well the history of the Gestapo.

That said, one must also recognize the danger of a government that is in control of every aspect of our daily lives. Asking a pair of twelve year olds selling lemonade for their papers is a simple example of government run amok.

 

[CommaHolly]

Can't argue that my statement is not hyperbole, and rest assured, I know full well the history of the Gestapo.

That said, one must also recognize the danger of a government that is in control of every aspect of our daily lives. Asking a pair of twelve year olds selling lemonade for their papers is a simple example of government run amok.

I'm absolutely sure that asking a pair of 12 year olds running a lemonade stand for their papers is a bit out of control,,,,,,

but seriously,,,,,,if you think the govt in the US is in control of every aspect of our lives, you haven't lived in a place where the govt truly IS controlling every aspect of our lives.

AND, IMHO, all parties want to control our lives,,,,,,,,,they claim to want small govt,,,,,,but what they want is BIG GOVT for THEIR issues.

 

[MiamiMom63]

I don't mind going outside to the smokers section, per say. It gives me the opportunity to let smokers see my Provari and tank and ask questions. Plus I like to blow huge vape clouds and make them jealous. Lol. It also gives me a chance to hand them a business car for our Vape meets. I have even handed them to people in cars at the red light. I tend to hunt them out whenever possible. Lol. We've got to spread the word as much as possible, each of us!

 

[Uma]

I don't mind going outside to the smokers section, per say. It gives me the opportunity to let smokers see my Provari and tank and ask questions. Plus I like to blow huge vape clouds and make them jealous. Lol. It also gives me a chance to hand them a business car for our Vape meets. I have even handed them to people in cars at the red light. I tend to hunt them out whenever possible. Lol. We've got to spread the word as much as possible, each of us!

I enjoy those contests too, when I WANT to do so.
I do not in any way condone sneaky towns who move their lines further and further out of town.
I saw this the other day: America, the land of freedom to deny others shelter, employment, and the happiness they've pursued.

 

[stevegmu]

IMO....I really don't think there should be a political party argument here. There are both Dem's and Rep's that oppose and support vaping. From reading many of the articles and comments under the articles, I believe our opponents fit into a few classifications that are governing their attitudes and votes. All the vaper's I know personally cover the entire cross section of the political spectrum. From ultra conservative to mainstream liberals. There is no niche side that fits into that argument, how could it be, just read the posts here on the forum. The vaper's demographic is the entire country and we are all affected by this ignorance to ban us and our choices.

I think we have some law makers that are being bought. By whom? Big tobacco, Pharma, the health industry...these are all the groups that would lose huge amounts of profit if they don't have smokers to fill their pockets with our cash.

What about all the revenues lost by the taxes we no longer pay. Here's a link to the list of Florida county tax revenues earned from alcohol and tobacco. States profiting the most from sin | WESH Home - News Considering how it seems all of our communities are struggling with revenue loss this could be a undisclosed reason for trying to keep us all on tobacco.

What about the personal reasons like people that have lost a family member and are now pushing to save everybody's lives. Even though it's none of their @@!! business what we choose to do they are just as passionate about their cause as we are about ours'.

I find this finger pointing at any political party just trolling for an argument and making people feel alienated from the community as a whole. The actions being taken against us affects us all. Live and let live...not...do as I say not as I do.

The reason the nanny state grows is because some fail to look at who is actually behind the legislation and continue blindly voting for them.

 

[Steve803]

The reason the nanny state grows is because some fail to look at who is actually behind the legislation and continue blindly voting for them.

So true. Nobody seems to research their choices and goes with the best sounding rhetoric that meets their own agenda. I think if they knew WHO they were voting for they would reconsider their choices.


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[srandroid]

Its seriously ridiculous that we are being ridiculed for vaping. It is no where near as bad ask smoke or even drinking per say. But yet we are treated like criminals almost. im sorry but i hope who ever is making these decisions gets there head out of their ... and see's this is not that bad. I work at an ecig store and i have helped so many people with lung cancer and other medical problems get better just by vaping. Live on and Vape Strong !!!!

 

[vjdossey]

Deluth classifies Vaping as the same as Tobacco.
A West VA town bans vaping. You are not even allowed to vape on your front porch or even the yard outside your home.

EDIT: sorry I was wrong... It wasn't town, it was mineral county!! So apparently if you are living in town, you cannot vape on your porch, etc...



Get ready for a rant. I truly hope that this pisses off most of the people who read it.

I have increased my blood pressure tonight. Been vaping higher nic to try to calm myself down, and it’s not working. SO…..

RANT =

What is wrong with people? Are we not supposed to be adults? Do not adults in “free countries” have a responsibility to insure that they have freedom?
There is a thread at the stickies that is titled " ECF - Heading towards 10 million! ..."
So in close to 10 MILLION people on these forums, why is it that a given daily action thread like
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...pe-daily-action-plan-wednesday-9-11-13-a.html
contains only 17 posts, and two are from me and two are from the person who takes valuable time out of his day to provide us with something to do to help ourselves and our loved ones who are smoking today?
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Stocking up on Nic, or vowing to go black-market is not going to give you your freedom back. FIGHTING for your freedom will.

If you do not try to oppose legislation and mis-information on vaping, then to be honest, you are SUPPORTING both!

YOU ARE AGREEING THAT YOU SHOULD NOT VAPE IN PUBLIC AND YOU ARE AGREEING THAT VAPING IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN SMOKING!!!

And you should be ashamed.

speaking from personal experience:

i find that the higher the nicotine level and amount being vaped can significantly increase anxiety and increase heart rate... vaping too much nicotine can very possibly have you jumping out of your skin... be careful...

 

[Ken_A]

speaking from personal experience:

i find that the higher the nicotine level and amount being vaped can significantly increase anxiety and increase heart rate... vaping too much nicotine can very possibly have you jumping out of your skin... be careful...

No, it was just the time after time after time of vaping being vilified by politicians and there not being too many vapers there to let them know they are full of it.
I vape between .4 and .6%. 4-6 mg

 

[Mrs. G]

speaking from personal experience:

i find that the higher the nicotine level and amount being vaped can significantly increase anxiety and increase heart rate... vaping too much nicotine can very possibly have you jumping out of your skin... be careful...

This is exactly why i have a tank of zero nic juice. I vape that most of the day and switch to my 18mg tanks when I need the nicotine.

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