Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

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JeremyR

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OK got a fresh build, 26g kanthal,. 93ohm, 2.5mm... Started with a doubled over, unrolled DM viscose ball. Vapes excellently!



Those little strands touching the deck will dry the deck and this wick drys up nicely so I know I've got good contact.




When I hit the fire button it sounds like a firecracker going off! Friggen great...

Drum roll, I produced another video finally. Trying to get better, I had my orientation wide but my phone didnt rotate it, and I didn't notice.. :( still turned out pretty decent.

Here is me firing a fresh build, the snap /pop is loud. As it breaks in it won't pop so violently. (this is after an hour vaping it)

Fired at 35w in this video. I should have turned it up, cause I can vape it at 45w right now.

 
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Oh man this build is so much better than what I had with tc wires. I was stuck at 35w, would get drying hits at 40 if not completely saturated. Because of the uneven wraps not contacting the wick evenly.

With this kanthal build I can go up to 55w with a sharp lung hit!! 20w more.

Your best bet with flimsy to wire is to twist the wick tight so you can get it through the coil without mangling. But that won't save you from an uneven wrap with a springy wire like ss.

Or if the flimsy coil pulls too much while installing, it will naturally pull your end wraps tighter, choking the wick or compressing it causing the center to have poor/loose contact. If you having issues, take a picture and zoom in, you will notice the end wraps are tighter.
 

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Well I didn't make it to 100 ml this past weekend as expected. I'm still working on the 56 ml tank fill. I got distracted by another build in another tank with another juice. this is where writing it down and keeping track of it here is going to be useful for accurately tracking wick life in this expeiment. It's still doing great, btw. No need to even look at it yet.

Update: I'm up to the 63 ml mark and, to be honest, the flavor just seems to be getting better and better. In all fairness, that could be due to steeping of the juice though. I'll probably need to whip up a new batch and refill my tank tomorrow. We'll see how that pans out.
 
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I thought I was getting fantastic wick-life with rayon. I was re-wicking my derringer last week, it has a pair of 2mm inner diameter 26/32 kanthal 4/5 wrap 'clapton' coils, compression wound. Comes out to a quarter ohm. Anyhow, the wick tails were still white, with a very slight caramelization right next to the coil. I grabbed the tail with my tweezers to cut it next to the coil so I could pull the other tail easily, but the wick had already burnt through at the center, leaving a little singed, tan cone.
I had ran around 200 ml through the wicks, I think the rayon burn-off/degradation must have had happened over time, because I never tested burnt rayon (though the atomizer performance difference was immediately noticeable with new wick).
I've only had this problem once, though all my atties are wicked with rayon, though most have naked SS coils in them, so I'm going to attribute this burn-out to the extra mass of the complex coil, and me being lazy and not performing a complete trailing draw.
 

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I thought I was getting fantastic wick-life with rayon. I was re-wicking my derringer last week, it has a pair of 2mm inner diameter 26/32 kanthal 4/5 wrap 'clapton' coils, compression wound. Comes out to a quarter ohm. Anyhow, the wick tails were still white, with a very slight caramelization right next to the coil. I grabbed the tail with my tweezers to cut it next to the coil so I could pull the other tail easily, but the wick had already burnt through at the center, leaving a little singed, tan cone.
I had ran around 200 ml through the wicks, I think the rayon burn-off/degradation must have had happened over time, because I never tested burnt rayon (though the atomizer performance difference was immediately noticeable with new wick).
I've only had this problem once, though all my atties are wicked with rayon, though most have naked SS coils in them, so I'm going to attribute this burn-out to the extra mass of the complex coil, and me being lazy and not performing a complete trailing draw.
I am not probably the one that should answer this but, being a compression coil, it sounds like you burnt through the wick. Like not enough density. Try spaced coils for this reason. Less heat in the imidiate center. Even rayon will desinigrate with a lot of heat in one spot. The practice of a trailing draw, especially with hot builds is important in my book.
 
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Has anyone figured out the Serpent? It has issues with rayon

Don't see how, it's not that different from any other. Plus you have juice control right?

What's the issue, maybe I missed it.

A good rayon wick needs more power, up to 10w more to vaporize the intense amount of juice at the coil. Rayon is made for high power and pushing the limits.
 
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I thought I was getting fantastic wick-life with rayon. I was re-wicking my derringer last week, it has a pair of 2mm inner diameter 26/32 kanthal 4/5 wrap 'clapton' coils, compression wound. Comes out to a quarter ohm. Anyhow, the wick tails were still white, with a very slight caramelization right next to the coil. I grabbed the tail with my tweezers to cut it next to the coil so I could pull the other tail easily, but the wick had already burnt through at the center, leaving a little singed, tan cone.
I had ran around 200 ml through the wicks, I think the rayon burn-off/degradation must have had happened over time, because I never tested burnt rayon (though the atomizer performance difference was immediately noticeable with new wick).
I've only had this problem once, though all my atties are wicked with rayon, though most have naked SS coils in them, so I'm going to attribute this burn-out to the extra mass of the complex coil, and me being lazy and not performing a complete trailing draw.

Could be the wick was still caught on the Clapton and pulled apart even though you cut one side. There has been only like 2 reports from people saying this type of thing and kinda, since it's not common, we didn't determine what happened.

Did you maybe burn it by accident then decide to Rewick.

I burned one purposely and it was still in one piece. So when you pulled one side out you had an end, the other side was still in the coil then. Was the Rayon black on the end or just brown? Burned will have a carbon tale on the end.

I mean think about it.. How is it possible to vape away with no wick in the center. You would get horrible dry hits. I think it just pulled apart on you. The reason is because each fiber is a fixed length like 1-1 ½ inches, and all stacked overlaying each other. it will pull apart if you have a bunch of ends left that are 1/8" long fibers and then a bunch of 1" fibers and you pull on the 1" it will seperate or pull from the 1/8" fibers leaving them on the other side.

If you play with a piece of rayon if you grab it at the fiber length say 1" apart, you can not break it it's strong as a rope. If you grab it 2" apart you can easily pull it apart

I think the above is what happened. The following is ideas on how I think you could damage the Rayon. Even though I have never been able to reproduce it in regular use.

You do create a hot spot in the center with a contact coil. Extended overheating there for 200ml I suppose could cause a burn of the Rayon. But many have done contacts past 200ml with the Rayon still fine through the coil. You would see black burnt ends if it burned though. Literally there have only been 2 or 3 that's burned the wick just by user error.

imo, the most common is the wick being loose in the center causing the excess heat to be exasperated in the center of the coil, due to poor wick contact overheating the coil. Most wicks I've seen that burned through were because they were loose not tight and low on available juice to draw into the coil.

When the coil glows the wick can not keep up with that kind of temperature and could spot dry possibly causing the burn under those coils that don't have good contact, if there's not enough juice on the wick.

One other problem with contact coils is you can't see if you have good contact in the middle. Try leaving at least a small space so you can see the wick.

Look at my last posts I'm talking about a similar issue. Being able to see the wick in the coil you can spot when the coils are not making solid contact to the wick. Looking straight across the top of the coil from the side you can see if the wick is looser in the middle.

Tighter is better! But even contact is just as important.

Moral of long winded jumping story... It pulled apart is all.
 
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Don't see how, it's not that different from any other. Plus you have juice control right?

What's the issue, maybe I missed it.

A good rayon wick needs more power, up to 10w more to vaporize the intense amount of juice at the coil. Rayon is made for high power and pushing the limits.
Ok, I will try pushing more power, but I am just not getting an enjoyable vape out of the serpent. it is extremely muted and meh....
 

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Oh, OK so it's a flavor issue not specifically keeping it wicking.. Realize I'm pulling straws with little information. But it sounds like an atty differnce issue. Like placement of the coil or amount of air flow.

If it's too much air flow, more power will make it better.

If it's placement of the coil to air flow intake, moving it closer to the air flow would probably make it better. Placement makes a big difference on flavor. Big.... Placement can make a muted, meh, vape.

What atty are you coming from? Using the same exact coil and placement did you have better flavor with cotton? Or didn't try that? Wouldn't recommend it, it should be similar.

Hope that helps. The Serpent looks nice, juice control is a big plus to me running 100vg. It's on the list by the bachelor now.
 

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Ok, I will try pushing more power, but I am just not getting an enjoyable vape out of the serpent. it is extremely muted and meh....


I'm getting some awesome flavor out of my serpent with rayon. I'm using a 1/8th" I.D. (3.175mm) twisted 28 gauge kanthal coil, ohming out at .8, with the air flow half open. This atty definitely likes its chunky coils.


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ETA: I'm also hitting it at 26W
 

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Oh, OK so it's a flavor issue not specifically keeping it wicking.. Realize I'm pulling straws with little information. But it sounds like an atty differnce issue. Like placement of the coil or amount of air flow.

If it's too much air flow, more power will make it better.

If it's placement of the coil to air flow intake, moving it closer to the air flow would probably make it better. Placement makes a big difference on flavor. Big.... Placement can make a muted, meh, vape.

What atty are you coming from? Using the same exact coil and placement did you have better flavor with cotton? Or didn't try that? Wouldn't recommend it, it should be similar.

Hope that helps. The Serpent looks nice, juice control is a big plus to me running 100vg. It's on the list by the bachelor now.

OK so I have been using a variety of rta recently; bellus, goliath, hannya, and others, but twisted 26 on the serpent, .54 ohms, fully open airflow, now hitting it at 41 watts, and it's kicking now.
 

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I'm getting some awesome flavor out of my serpent with rayon. I'm using a 1/8th" I.D. (3.175mm) twisted 28 gauge kanthal coil, ohming out at .8, with the air flow half open. This atty definitely likes its chunky coils.


-Kingboomer


ETA: I'm also hitting it at 26W

Will have to try a bigger coil.
 

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OK so I have been using a variety of rta recently; bellus, goliath, hannya, and others, but twisted 26 on the serpent, .54 ohms, fully open airflow, now hitting it at 41 watts, and it's kicking now.

Sweet!

Rayon likes power.

How much did you turn up the watts, to wake it up, the way it is?
 
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Sweet!

Rayon likes power.

How much did you turn up the watts, to wake it up, the way it is?
I turned it up about 9 watts, not much but enough to start it sucking the juice up and giving me phenomenal flavor....even on a juice I do not like.
 
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