Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

[cigatron]

I can't use 28g any more, unless it's double or triple twisted. SS430 is the only 28g I do have and don't even know where my 100' spool of 28g KA1 is.

Yep, know what you mean. It's not very rayon friendly. I can barely deal with 26g claptoned or not. Truly the ONLY thing I miss about cotton is that it swells after wetting so I could run thinner wire without worrying about dragging my builds all over the place while wicking.

 

[awsum140]

I still use 28 gauge, both kanthal and titanium, in some atomizers to keep resistance up a bit. Wicking with rayon is all finesse, tensioning it as you pull it through and then re-arranging the coil. Takes a little extra time, but it works for me.

 

[Fozzy71]

Yep, know what you mean. It's not very rayon friendly. I can barely deal with 26g claptoned or not. Truly the ONLY thing I miss about cotton is that it swells after wetting so I could run thinner wire without worrying about dragging my builds all over the place while wicking.

ditto. Now that I have a better idea of how much a 2.5 or 3.0 mm coil needs I have gotten into the habit my last few builds and rewicks to twist the rayon some as I am sliding it thru the coil to prevent it from pulling my coils out of shape. Especially helpful now that I have started spacing my coils.

 

[TrollDragon]

Yep, know what you mean. It's not very rayon friendly. I can barely deal with 26g claptoned or not. Truly the ONLY thing I miss about cotton is that it swells after wetting so I could run thinner wire without worrying about dragging my builds all over the place while wicking.

I do love my Gem which I put a 28g SS430 build in, simple single spaced coil. I wick it with Rayon using the Double Insertion method, 1/2 density on each side, pull them through crosswise to fill the coil. This keeps the coil somewhat intact while you get the proper density in the coil. It was discovered by our long time Rayonati @tchavei for use with Ti and Ni200 builds.

 

[TrollDragon]

There is something to be said about coils that you can pull the whole strand of Sally through.

I ran a half a dozen builds through my new Aromamizer Supreme LE and have finally settled on a single coil 7/6 wrap of triple twisted SS430. The dual fused Claptons were excellent in it but the juice just disappeared to fast. A single 24g didn't quite cut it, and the triple twist ended up winning out. (For this week... )

I need to find me a 4mm Framed Staple to put on the postless deck. Well beyond my skill set, so I'll have to get someone to wrap one up for me.

 

[cigatron]

I must admit, I'm lazy. The simpler it is the more I like it. I wind all my spaced single strand coils on a 6-32 screw because I'm too lazy to spread contact coils apart. All my spaced coils end up around 2.8mm give or take depending on wire gauge (it's a screw thread thing).
All my claptons are wound as contact coils on a 7/64 drill bit; again just about 2.8mm.
A little less than 1/2 of a sallys rope will wick them all so there is very little fussy around or brain work involved.
I used to pull (stretch) the wick from both ends to get it through the coil but now I just hold one end of the coil with my fingernail while pulling the the rayon through.

 

[flambo]

Yep, know what you mean. It's not very rayon friendly. I can barely deal with 26g claptoned or not. Truly the ONLY thing I miss about cotton is that it swells after wetting so I could run thinner wire without worrying about dragging my builds all over the place while wicking.

Nothing could make me use cotton again, except threats of harm to myself or almost anyone else.
"Use cotton or the bunny dies" scenario

I'm not a very experienced builder at all.

I've been finding parallel 30G TiNi a breeze with lyocell in spinning form.

The TiNi keeps its shape well.
I back comb the bit that will actually be inside the coil.
(horizontal- backcomb the lot for the way I do vertical)
After I've threaded etc, the final step is to use a really fine pin to lift fibres into the coil spaces.

Have cut & unravelled a parallel 30G TiNi to make dual coils.
(not yet wicked- both my Stumpy have the holes not facing straight. Lost a grub screw for a while & it took a while to work out how to make the wires not cross in the hole.
Is ↑that↑ important?)

If there was any collapse over time, I'd re-pin or top up like this.
It has never collapsed on me yet, but I probably used too much back when I was building with ss. Ni & Ti were PITA.

I'm so tempted to try 32G TiNi just to see what having more of the coil directly in front of the air hole does.

I have a NextGen clone I want to try, because I am so "over" rebuilding eleaf GS Tank coils.

ss mesh wick has me a bit spooked, tbh.
I think it should be possible to wick it entirely with tencel fibres.
Would be easy enough to make sure no short fibres float off.

If not, I thought of using tencel fibres as spacers- to reduce the chance of shorts due to insufficiently torched ss mesh wicks.

 

[cigatron]

If not, I thought of using tencel fibres as spacers- to reduce the chance of shorts due to insufficiently torched ss mesh wicks.

My brother does that with ss mesh in origenny tanks but with cotton. He calls it a pig in a blanket wick.

 

[TrollDragon]

I have a NextGen clone I want to try, because I am so "over" rebuilding eleaf GS Tank coils.

Enjoy the NextGen clone. I hope you have good results as it was a total PoS for me.

Be VERY careful when pulsing the hot spots out of you mesh build on the NextGen, the authentic has a PEEK insulator where the clones have plastic. It melts, so juice will weep out the 510 connection inside your mod.

The center post on them is small enough that it will heat up fast if the mesh shorts out against it, major cause of the above problem.

Mesh with twisted 30g

Much better is the EoM build (Ekowool over Mesh), no torching required except to burn off any initial residuals on the mesh.

Putting cotton or Rayon over the mesh always made no sense to me. That defeats the easy dry burn and rinse aspect of the Genny.

YMMV
#NoCottonInMyGenny

 

[cigatron]

Enjoy the NextGen clone. I hope you have good results as it was a total PoS for me.

Be VERY careful when pulsing the hot spots out of you mesh build on the NextGen, the authentic has a PEEK insulator where the clones have plastic. It melts, so juice will weep out the 510 connection inside your mod.

The center post on them is small enough that it will heat up fast if the mesh shorts out against it, major cause of the above problem.

Mesh with twisted 30g

Much better is the EoM build (Ekowool over Mesh), no torching required except to burn off any initial residuals on the mesh.

Putting cotton or Rayon over the mesh always made no sense to me. That defeats the easy dry burn and rinse aspect of the Genny.

YMMV
#NoCottonInMyGenny

Flavor machine!!
Are there any RTDAs or RTAs that you've tried that even come close to that genny for flavor?

 

[flambo]

Be VERY careful when pulsing the hot spots out of you mesh build on the NextGen, the authentic has a PEEK insulator where the clones have plastic.

I think mine has a Peek insulator.

Putting cotton or Rayon over the mesh always made no sense to me. That defeats the easy dry burn and rinse aspect of the Genny.

I am going to try 100% tencel fibres first.
Tencel fibre wicks have remained almost perfect when a coil was so gunked it looked like a clapton...lol
My 10 month old ss is a little gunked & the wick is perfect- a little stained from ~240ml juice.

My dilemma is that I want to use TiNi but am not sure I'll be able to get it heating perfectly.
It definitely has some Ti in there.
It also "sets" pretty quickly.

If it's too much trouble, I can always use ss.

Flavor machine!!
Are there any RTDAs or RTAs that you've tried that even come close to that genny for flavor?

↑That↑ sort of talk is what made me buy it...lol
Also because people had said I couldn't use an RDA on TC as my main set up. I don't over-drip & even my Derringer v3 never leaks, unless laying flat.

My STM leaks in warm weather, unless I use a lot more VG than I want. It's c rap compared to a Derringer v3, same build and air.

I've used RDA as my main "away" atties for 11 months.
It's good to have a tank available though.

All I want is to enjoy a decent tobacco vape, like a good smoke and never feel it's second best.
I still like a very brief "sting" of heat. (first thing I missed when I started 2 years ago. FA Capsicum fixed that, until I started rebuilding)
Hangsen Arabic was the only non-tobacco I'd use, and I haven't finished my first 10 ml bottle.(m2l, 24mg/ml)

I quite like rebuilding.
Charging batts & remembering to mix my ADV well before I run out- less enjoyable.

It's been interesting finding out how each variable effects the vape.

 

[cigatron]

↑That↑ sort of talk is what made me buy it...lol
Also because people had said I couldn't use an RDA on TC as my main set up. I don't over-drip & even my Derringer v3 never leaks, unless laying flat.

Can't speak to the Nexgen but the Origenny MKll is flavor overload with vertical dual coils wicked with rayon.

I use my RDAs in power mode and with TC. There's no probs running a dripper with TC and I like not having to worry about over dripping, dry hits and shortening my wick life.

 

[TrollDragon]

Flavor machine!!
Are there any RTDAs or RTAs that you've tried that even come close to that genny for flavor?

The short time I had the NextGen working, it was quite the flavor machine, surpassing my Sat22 but couldn't touch the Origenny on a dual mesh build. The GEM and Flash e-Vapor VS RTAs come really close to the NextGen in flavor and greatly surpass it with ease of build and maintenance. I can give up on some flavor for simplicity, especially on the FeV VS.

I need to get the Kraken out again for a build, just to remember why I packed it away in the first place...

 

[TrollDragon]

Can't speak to the Nexgen but the Origenny MKll is flavor overload with vertical dual coils wicked with rayon.

I use my RDAs in power mode and with TC. There's no probs running a dripper with TC and I like not having to worry about over dripping, dry hits and shortening my wick life.

I use RDA's in TC mode all the time as well. I'm a lazy dripper and don't miss the dry pull from forgetting to drip.

 

[Vaping!!!Jables]

So I'm getting a few clones from fasttech to try. Prefer at least 4ml, 24mm max, and single coil or the option for it, but wouldn't mind one dual coil only. I have a Fev and a bachelor right now.

In the cart at FT is an avocado 24, Limitless 24, vanilla style aromamizer with new deck, A Merlin, and a Taifun Gt III.

Any comments, I'm kinda trying to decide between the merlin and the Gt 3 right now. Leaning toward the Tiafun. For more capacity, quiter air, and more juice flow for VG in the winter. Merlin is nice and highly regarded with a little more air flow but possibly louder. 4ml is also little short for adv.

May just get the avocado 24 instead of Limitless 24 cause it's got the single coil option. Or both..

Liked the Goon RTA quite a bit, and + it holds 5ml supposedly. Or The Azeroth with the new clamp style posts is looking good.

I also liked the digiflavor Siren or Fuji single coil, Fuji has a better chamber, but both pricey. The Mobula on focal looks really nice. And the Blitz Spark is cool, but the drip tip is huge. (cheaper on focal)
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What is a fev?

San Antonio,Texas

 

[TrollDragon]

I think mine has a Peek insulator.

I am going to try 100% tencel fibres first.
Tencel fibre wicks have remained almost perfect when a coil was so gunked it looked like a clapton...lol
My 10 month old ss is a little gunked & the wick is perfect- a little stained from ~240ml juice.

My dilemma is that I want to use TiNi but am not sure I'll be able to get it heating perfectly.
It definitely has some Ti in there.
It also "sets" pretty quickly.

If it's too much trouble, I can always use ss.

Well then I wish you all the best of luck with the NextGen, nothing better than a Genny you can lay on it side and forget about it!

The hell is TiNi wire...
Mainly used in Bra Underwires and IUD's, best of luck with that too trying to get it working under TC unless you are using a HOhm Wrecker in xXx Mode.

I'll stick to SS316L & SS430.

 

[TrollDragon]

I forgot about the Rose V2 in that list, it is my favorite total flavor RTA, nothing could touch it. I ran two of them as main vapes for quite a while until I discovered more power and real airflow. Then it was all downhill from there...

 

[Mactavish]

Well then I wish you all the best of luck with the NextGen, nothing better than a Genny you can lay on it side and forget about it!

The hell is TiNi wire...
Mainly used in Bra Underwires and IUD's, best of luck with that too trying to get it working under TC unless you are using a HOhm Wrecker in xXx Mode.

I'll stick to SS316L & SS430.

If the "ni" in TiNi is nickel, why would you want to vape nickel in the first place? Stick to titanium or SS, your lungs and rest of body will thank you!

 

[TrollDragon]

If the "ni" in TiNi is nickel, why would you want to vape nickel in the first place? Stick to titanium or SS, your lungs and rest of body will thank you!

I thought it might be a mixed alloy or an encasement type of wire, Ti encased in Ni or vise versa. I have no interest in it but @flambo is thinking about running with it.

 

[TrollDragon]

What is a fev?

San Antonio,Texas

Flash e-Vapor
A very fine, German made, Industrial looking atty, sort of like an RDTA with the tank on top (auto dripper).